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Russian Defense Ministry orders 64 Su-family fighters
Ria Novosti ^ | 18/08/2009

Posted on 08/18/2009 9:22:22 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Russian Defense Ministry orders 64 Su-family fighters

MOSCOW, August 18 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Defense Ministry and the Sukhoi aircraft maker signed on Tuesday a contract on the delivery of 64 Su fighters to the Russian Air Force.

The contract, signed during the MAKS-2009 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow, stipulates the delivery of 48 Su-35 by 2015, and 12 Su-27SM and four Su-30M2 multirole fighters by 2011.

The value of the contract was not disclosed, but according to open sources, the cost of a Su-35 fighter, billed as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology," is estimated at up to $65 million.

The head of Vnesheconombank (VEB), Vladimir Dmitriyev, announced at the air show on Tuesday that the national development bank would grant Sukhoi a 3.5 billion-ruble ($109 million) loan to start mass production of Su-35 jets.

The Su-35 fighter, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

The aircraft also features the new Irbis-E radar with a phased antenna array, which allows the pilot to detect and track up to 30 air targets, while simultaneously engaging up to eight targets.

It is equipped with a 30-mm cannon with 150 rounds, and can carry up to eight metric tons of combat payload on 12 external mounts.

Russia's Air Force commander, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, said in July that up to three air regiments would be equipped with Su-35 fighters in the future.

Russia also plans to export at least 160 Su-35 fighters to several countries including India, Malaysia and Algeria.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; russia; su35; sukhoi

1 posted on 08/18/2009 9:22:22 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Chum for the Raptors.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 9:24:10 AM PDT by SycoDon
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Family-fighters? You mean, with cupholders and that ceiling DVD player in the backseat?


3 posted on 08/18/2009 9:24:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Sukhois are beautiful fighters, but huge, like F-14s.


4 posted on 08/18/2009 9:28:33 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: SycoDon

You mean the Raptors just canceled by Congress at Obama’s behest?


5 posted on 08/18/2009 9:29:34 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Didn’t Congress just cut funding to the F-22’s?


6 posted on 08/18/2009 9:30:03 AM PDT by chichipow
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
You mean the Raptors just canceled by Congress at Obama’s behest?

Not canceled, just capped at 187.

7 posted on 08/18/2009 9:47:00 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: 1rudeboy
Family-fighters? You mean, with cupholders and that ceiling DVD player in the backseat?

Have you ever had a eight hour flight with a cranky weapons officer who can't keep his hands to himself? You'll be glad you had the DVD player and couple of bags full of Cheerios.

8 posted on 08/18/2009 9:54:26 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: Yo-Yo

That won’t be enough to maintain air superiority against the Sukhoi hordes, especially with the F-22 heavy maintenance requirements.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 10:01:17 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
While Russia modernizes and builds up it's weapons inventory the Democrat Congress cut funding for the handful of F-22s the AF had on order, and according to the Heritage Foundation article HERE is seriously considering cutting orders for the F-35. All these cuts in our critically important defense expenditures are just part of the inevitable results of O's incredibly reckless spending from almost day one.

If we survive 8 years of an O administration as an independent free nation I will be the most surprised man in the US. Make no mistake, Putin's Russia is every bit as much our deadly enemy as the old USSR ever was before Ronald Reagan put it out of commission.

10 posted on 08/18/2009 10:09:17 AM PDT by epow (Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Nope, especially when you consider that out of that 187, only approximately 90 are fully capable of receiving future air-to-air and air-to-ground software and hardware updates.

The F-22 can't do what?

11 posted on 08/18/2009 10:19:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: SycoDon
Speaking of chum ...
12 posted on 08/18/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Noooooooo!!!
Not again!!!

Does anybody have the confirmed narrative on this?
Should be interesting.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 11:28:39 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Su-35 fighter, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.

The aircraft also features the new Irbis-E radar with a phased antenna array, which allows the pilot to detect and track up to 30 air targets, while simultaneously engaging up to eight targets.

It is equipped with a 30-mm cannon with 150 rounds and can carry up to eight tons of combat payload on 12 external mounts.

14 posted on 08/18/2009 11:31:22 AM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Still working out the bugs.

Prototype #4, Su-35, During taxi, the pilot lost control and the plane careened off the runway.

15 posted on 08/18/2009 11:56:34 AM PDT by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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To: Yo-Yo
Nope, especially when you consider that out of that 187, only approximately 90 are fully capable of receiving future air-to-air and air-to-ground software and hardware updates.

That is not an acurate summary of the link's link. Those aircraft are not planned to get the listed upgrades but the Air Force is still looking at doing a different retrofit. The military is CONSTANTLY upgarding and tweaking things and different models often require different sorts of upgrades. Don't take that as some of the F-22s being lamed for life because it is simply not true.
16 posted on 08/18/2009 12:08:55 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: SJSAMPLE
Does anybody have the confirmed narrative on this?

If they do it had better be wrong because such things are classified.
17 posted on 08/18/2009 12:10:52 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: KarlInOhio
You'll be glad you had the DVD player and couple of bags full of Cheerios.

"Moooom! He is touching my ejection handle again. Make him stop!"
18 posted on 08/18/2009 12:12:32 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

Maybe, maybe not.

The DOD and USAF have been releasing pre-packaged F-22 stories for several years now. Stories about how the F-22 took down F-15s and F-16s in 7:1 or greater odds.

The Navy F/A-18 pilot who got that might have an interesting story.
Or, it could be the gun cam pic of the last remaining F/A-18 from that squadron.

You never know.


19 posted on 08/18/2009 12:21:05 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: A.A. Cunningham
C'mon, A.A., I already gave you a better pic to use.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 12:35:40 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: TalonDJ
It is an accurate summary of the underlying link. Here is the precise quote:

Currently, Ebersole explains, the Raptor fleet consists of three configurations. The training aircraft at Tyndall AFB and a portion of the early operational test fleet at Nellis AFB were built to the early Block 20 standard. This group of 34 planes is capable of operating under the current Increment 2 package. However, due to their older hardware configuration, in the future they will only receive minor upgrades wherever possible, Ebersole said.

A further group of 63 aircraft, comprising the earliest production Lots of operational Raptors, were built to the later Block 30 configuration. While this group of aircraft will receive the full Increment 3.1 upgrades, these F-22s will not receive the full Increment 3.2 modifications, Ebersole said. He explained that these older aircraft are not “hardware enabled” to receive the Increment 3.2 package. Ebersole added, however, that wherever possible, select capabilities found in Increment 3.2 would be incorporated into these machines.

“The selected capabilities from Increment 3.2 that can be immediately retrofitted into the earlier jets are software only updates, Electronic Protection, Combat ID, and Link-16 improvements”, Miller said. Retrofitting other Increment 3.2 improvements requires a “few minor hardware changes necessary for AIM-9X and major changes are necessary to the Raptor's Stores Management System to accommodate these weapons”, Miller explained, referring to the AIM-9X and the AIM-120D. She added, “There is a study on-going to assess the feasibility of pushing the weapons capabilities to the earlier jets”.

Of course one can never say "never," but as the way things stand, the currently planned upgrades break down exactly as given in the Dew Line, with eventually three blocks of aircraft with three sets of capabilities.

There are no current plans to retrofit new hardware and wiring to the earlier block aircraft, at least until a distant future service life extension program.

21 posted on 08/18/2009 12:45:07 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

‘No current plans’ means not a darn thing. And no it would not have to be a ‘distant future’. They are upgrading and changing things ALL the time and you don’t hear about 99% of them. Most military contracts are not big flashy things you hear about. There are a lot of ins and outs to what planes can and can’t do. They are always tweaking things and finding ways to use things differently.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 1:56:52 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Yo-Yo
She added, “There is a study on-going to assess the feasibility of pushing the weapons capabilities to the earlier jets”.

To call that 'no current plans' and 'some distant future' is disingenuous.
23 posted on 08/18/2009 1:59:03 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
Not currently planned means exactly that. I didn't think I had to reproduce the entire article for you, but apparently I do.

Ebersole, expanding on the issue, explained, “The AIM-9X and AIM-120D are not currently programmed to be retrofitted into the Block 30 aircraft. These capabilities are enabled by the Enhanced Store Management System (ESMS) that is unique to the Block 35 aircraft. The Air Force and our industry partners are currently executing design trade studies to identify cost effective options to flow this capability back to the Block 30 aircraft without the ESMS enabler”.

The last 87 Raptors to be built for the USAF, starting with the Lot 6 aircraft stationed at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, have added processing power and are “hardware enabled” to receive the full Block 35, Increment 3.2 configuration, Ebersole said. He emphasized that these aircraft are still Block 30 machines in terms of their current hardware configuration. “There are no Block 35 aircraft yet”, Ebersole stated bluntly.

A total of 37 of these improved “hardware enabled” machines have been handed over to the USAF at the time of this writing. There are 50 more planes still on order before production of the Raptor is scheduled to end in 2011. These 87 improved aircraft will still require “some hardware retrofits” when being upgraded to the Increment 3.2 capability, Ebersole explained. The addition of the MADL data link, for example, is one such system that will require additional hardware modifications. It is important to note that all F-22s currently operational with the USAF are Increment 2 enabled aircraft operating with Block 20 level capability. .

Unless and until there is a line item in a budget, and a program office staffed, there is no planned update. It takes years for upgrades to make it from the study phase to the implementation phase, if it makes it at all. This article outlines all of the upgrades that are currently being worked on, and represent the only upgrades that will occur in the next decade. Beyond that is anybody's guess.

24 posted on 08/18/2009 2:36:43 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
None of that contradicts anything I posted. You don't have to explain military contracting to me. I do it for a living. There is a difference between, “no the planes will not do that and we don't plan to add it” and “yeah we have an active trade study looking at that.” Both are technically 100% correct. But the first gives implications that the second refutes.

Posting highly stripped down facts for the implications the convey is either inflammatory or stupid.

25 posted on 08/18/2009 3:01:06 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

If you are so well versed in military contracting, then you know what a ‘trade study’ is.

To equate an industry funded speculation to a funded, budget line item upgrade is either inflammatory or stupid.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 3:36:08 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
A Flanker is typically the size of a WWII B-26 Marauder bomber. Sukhoi Flankers Don't underestimate this beast, because the Flanker-E can be a vaunted opponent of the Raptor in A2A combat.
27 posted on 08/22/2009 6:26:30 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

I love the camo pattern in that last pic.


28 posted on 08/22/2009 4:00:32 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
It will be the next best fighter in the world, after the F-22 Raptor, and it won't have an Obey Amendment attached to it because Sukhoi Aviation Corporation intends to build the Su-35 in bulk and export it to anyone with the hard currency to pay for it. $65 million a piece. Spare me a Flanker?
29 posted on 08/22/2009 7:25:08 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

The U.S. military procurement system is so moribund right now because of all the congressional mandated decentralization and idiotic federal contracting requirements that I see the U.S. going the way of Britain in a very short time and becoming a second rate force technologically. I work with a lot of military RDT&E types, and their frustration with governmental incompetence and inconsistency in policy is leading to a big brain drain when it comes to U.S. weapons technology, of which nothing good will come of it.


30 posted on 08/23/2009 3:46:33 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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