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We need a plan to keep people from leaving the state (Duh!)
The Boston Globe ^ | 8/18/09 | Phil Redo

Posted on 08/18/2009 8:25:29 AM PDT by Renkluaf

IT’S A sad testimony to the political state of affairs when elected leaders shrug their shoulders and advance a remarkable “no can do’’ attitude toward the reality of population loss in Massachusetts.

When Representative Michael Capuano states he doesn’t “think there’s anyone around who has figured out how to stop the population flow to the Southwest,’’ one has to wonder what is the value of these long-term incumbents. These are our representatives who are “particularly well positioned with their committee assignments,’’ as Representative Richard Neal stated with a curiously disconnected implication. If they’re so well positioned why are they not at least expressing the efforts they are making to turn things around? Why are they not speaking of all that must be done to change our current predicament? The state will probably lose a congressional seat because of the population shift.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bluestates; exodus
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I'm never sure if they're just born stupid or if it's an acquired malady?
1 posted on 08/18/2009 8:25:29 AM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: Renkluaf

Texas is full. Full of Mexicans mainly, but full none the less. Don’t move here.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 8:26:42 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Renkluaf

Build a wall and take away their guns seemed to work for previous regimes.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 8:28:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: Republic of Texas

Not to worry. One of these days people will have to get permission to leave their state.


4 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:11 AM PDT by RC2 (Socialize health care and you socialize the country.)
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To: Renkluaf
How about you put up the following sign...using a tax increase to fund it:

THE FLOGGINGS WILL CEASE WHEN THE MORALE IMPROVES!

5 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:24 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Renkluaf

Cuttings taxes would be a good start.....Duh!


6 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:45 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Renkluaf

California at one time had a tax on your home if you moved out of state.

Move away from the state tax!!!


7 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:50 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Renkluaf

Consider that line about lawyers in Shakespeare’s Henry VI.


8 posted on 08/18/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obama is in way over his ears.)
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To: RC2

preventing people from moving to another state will be in the name of health care...


9 posted on 08/18/2009 8:31:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Renkluaf

Do what the IDIOTS in NJ do and charge an “exit Tax” when people move out.I kid you not...it is true! I swear, this state sucks SO MUCH!


10 posted on 08/18/2009 8:31:16 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Renkluaf

Boo Hoo.


11 posted on 08/18/2009 8:31:30 AM PDT by Waco (Burn em bad next year.)
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To: Redleg Duke

Mass. workers file for workman’s Comp then move to Georgia!


12 posted on 08/18/2009 8:31:45 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Renkluaf
It is a malady and they are deceived. The way to KEEP people from leaving the state is to MASSIVLY CUT TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD and give businesses TAX INCENTIVES. Otherwise you will continue to bleed people en masse.

| Sadly, the people and leaders in Mass will NEVER take this advice.

13 posted on 08/18/2009 8:32:04 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (hank you)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yup....that whole health care bill needs to be stopped. If they get any part of it, it will grow in time.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 8:33:25 AM PDT by RC2 (Socialize health care and you socialize the country.)
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To: Renkluaf
Like the dying newspapers who refuse to acknowledge their bias and are therefore circling the drain, so too with Massachusetts. The state that keeps electing a Kennedy and Kerry and has a liberal policy hammerlock on the state cannot seem to figure out what the problem is and why people are leaving in droves.
15 posted on 08/18/2009 8:33:48 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Executions will continue until morale improves.

(feel free to avail yourselves of the Death Committee program...death taxes help stimulate the ecconomy too.)


16 posted on 08/18/2009 8:35:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Renkluaf
I support keeping barney frank and ted Kennedy voters there, Chain them if necessary.
17 posted on 08/18/2009 8:35:38 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Renkluaf
Notice that their thought process is:

"How can we keep people from leaving?"

and not:

"How can we get them to want to stay?".

18 posted on 08/18/2009 8:37:08 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Renkluaf

The answer to the question is in the article but they are too blind by their socialism to see.

First they have to admit socialism can only work at the point of a gun. If you give people any option at all, they will leave (think the boat people of Cuba).

Socialism is taking from a producer to give to a taker. What this does is create more takers, and fewer producers.

Unless they plan on building a “Berlin Wall” they will continue to lose the producers. Sooner or later the state will collaspe upon itself (almost like what is happening in California).

FDR and Johnson has a lot to answer for. FDR began the welfare state and Johnson expanded it.

After 40 years isn’t it time to work that the “war on poverty” is a failure?


19 posted on 08/18/2009 8:37:40 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Renkluaf

Let’s hope they don’t try to keep people there the way Cuba does!

But I believe the idea of some kind of “exit tax” will become popular with governmental officials, if it has not been tried already.

Given the attitude of many serving in government towards their constituents, I’m sure it will be attempted as the next step.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 8:39:05 AM PDT by cvq3842 (Countless thousands of our ancestors died to give us the freedoms we have today. Stay involved!)
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To: Renkluaf

Don’t come to Arizona, we’ve got snakes, scorpions, Californians and other problems of our own.


21 posted on 08/18/2009 8:40:09 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: Dr. Ursus

Hell no....not in Georgia! We don’t need them and their predisposition to voting in any goddam tax just because it’s for the children, homeless, needy, etc......stay where you are!


22 posted on 08/18/2009 8:41:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Renkluaf

Areas of this country are so screwed up by liberals that they are likely to start building walls to keep people from leaving than they are to keep illegals out.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 8:41:13 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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To: Renkluaf
This is the same story repeated thousands of times in the history of the United States.

1) Liberals run for office and promise faux compassion and free stuff to the electorate at the expense of the productive members of society.

2) Liberals get elected to the big city or state and set up their machine.

3) Liberals work to demonstrate more compassion than anyone else by confiscating other people's industry and giving it to the slackers.

4) The big city/state begins to collapse under the sheer weight of liberal policies, leaving death, destruction and brokenness in its wake.

5) Conservatives flee first to other locations. When things really start to deteriorate (as the historically always do) the limousine liberals all start to abandon the area as well. Only the weak are left awaiting their next government handout.

6) The limousine liberals now fan out to the infect the conservative areas to begin the cycle all over again. (See Idaho, Montana, etc.)

24 posted on 08/18/2009 8:42:07 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: Republic of Texas

In New Mexico, we used to hate Texans, until the Californians showed up.


25 posted on 08/18/2009 8:48:09 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Renkluaf

I lived in MA for 12 years and it is for a reason the people there are known the world over as “Massholes”

If then morons who are in charge would quit running the State like Communists there is the chance people would at least think about staying.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 8:48:55 AM PDT by 101voodoo (OBAMA- THE OPIATE FOR THE DUMB ASSES)
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To: Obadiah

Many of the people leaving can’t seem to put two and two together either.

Way too many of them run away from the mess they helped make but don’t change their voting habits and set their new home on the path to blue-state ruin.


27 posted on 08/18/2009 8:50:14 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Renkluaf
But many are leaving Massachusetts for the Southwest or Florida or New Hampshire because they believe they cannot achieve or maintain a quality of life in Massachusetts.

No sh** Sherlock. Funny how it takes a talk-radio exec to hit the nail on the head, because none of the politicians would reach such a conclusion. Taxes, over-priced housing, utilities, more taxes, incredible corruption (the last 3 Speakers had to resign because of indictments), nanny-statism, PC mentality, lackadaisical judges, some more taxes, Corporate/Capitalist hatred from all corners, new levees and taxes on taxes.... And the Beacon Hill Brigands sees these as reasons to STAY.

I left for work, and my folks have begged me to return, I finally had to tell them I'll only visit, but will never live in the Bay State the rest of my days.

28 posted on 08/18/2009 8:50:55 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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"But many are leaving Massachusetts for the Southwest or Florida . . ."

They're actually not moving to Florida, which had a net population loss last year. Perhaps the Boston Globe should try things like research, which might lead them to conclude that all the stupid, liberal positions that they advocated are the primary reasons causes of the exodus.

29 posted on 08/18/2009 8:52:05 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: Renkluaf

Prohibitive taxes, decades of rule by the looney left...nope, just can’t understand the desire to leave such a workers paradise!


30 posted on 08/18/2009 8:53:31 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Nickname
Way too many of them run away from the mess they helped make but don’t change their voting habits and set their new home on the path to blue-state ruin.

See point #6.

31 posted on 08/18/2009 8:58:54 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: Obadiah

People vote with

their ballots,

their dollars,

and finally,

their feet.

(...Rome fell because of taxes, better the barbarian you don’t know, than the tax collector you DO know.)


32 posted on 08/18/2009 9:00:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: tacticalogic
Notice that their thought process is: "How can we keep people from leaving?

and not:

"How can we get them to want to stay?".

The state of North Dakota had/has this same mentality.

When I was there in the 80s they were bleeding their college graduates due to the lack of decent paying jobs and the severe winters.

The only thing they could come up with was to advance a idea to make all graduates of the ND system who received even a penny of aid stay for at least four or five years.

They never implemented this because of that"pesky" Constitution.

33 posted on 08/18/2009 9:01:24 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Renkluaf

Build a wall - It worked so well in E. Germany.


34 posted on 08/18/2009 9:01:46 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: org.whodat

Don’t forget Lurch.


35 posted on 08/18/2009 9:03:05 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: RC2

In NJ, homeowners who move out the state have to pay $10,000. And that money is taken right out of the house closing proceeds.


36 posted on 08/18/2009 9:04:22 AM PDT by dools007
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

“Don’t come to Arizona, we’ve got snakes, scorpions...”

Yes, I can confirm the scorpion infestation...I’ve killed 18 over the last week. 14 outside and 4 in the house. Friends around the Valley report the same thing...not sure what’s up with the current “surge.”


37 posted on 08/18/2009 9:05:10 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Obadiah

#6 are the locusts maybe this is what is meant in the bible!


38 posted on 08/18/2009 9:07:45 AM PDT by nd2bfree
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To: Renkluaf

They’re not coming to Connecticut!


39 posted on 08/18/2009 9:09:58 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Obadiah

liberals/leftist promise free stuff on the backs of producing taxpayers.

producing taxpayers leave which leaves only non producers represented by a leftist stuggling to keep power.

Of course this often means the representation shifts too.

Just look at the “solid south”. Jimmy Carter would not have a prayer of being elected in 2000+. People moved AWAY from oppressive New England taxation and the result? ecconomic prosperity.


40 posted on 08/18/2009 9:10:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Towed_Jumper
Yes, I can confirm the scorpion infestation...I’ve killed 18 over the last week. 14 outside and 4 in the house. Friends around the Valley report the same thing...not sure what’s up with the current “surge.”

They're coming after your health care.
41 posted on 08/18/2009 9:11:34 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: longtermmemmory

People vote with

their ballots,

their dollars,

their feet,

and finally,

Their cartridge box


42 posted on 08/18/2009 9:15:10 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Bread and Circuses)
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To: dools007

That seems like an equal protection issue.

FL had an impact fee for people who registered cars from out of state.

(not to mention first amendment association issue)


43 posted on 08/18/2009 9:15:23 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Renkluaf
I knew I could count on the Boston Globe to get right to its most important consideration:

The state will probably lose a congressional seat because of the population shift.

It's all about government with those scumbags.

44 posted on 08/18/2009 9:19:35 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dools007

oops forgot to state FL’s out of state impact fee was struck down and unconstitutional.

an “exit” tax seems equally wrong.


45 posted on 08/18/2009 9:21:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Renkluaf
Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the country. I say build a fence around it and let them live in their socialist utopia.
46 posted on 08/18/2009 9:26:27 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: dools007
In NJ, homeowners who move out the state have to pay $10,000. And that money is taken right out of the house closing proceeds.

How does NJ know you're leaving the state after you sell? Rent something cheap for a few months and then leave. Or just say you are. I'd prefer to waste less money renting unused rental property than pay an exit tax.

47 posted on 08/18/2009 9:26:35 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: listenhillary

Someone suggested in the comments section a 50% real estate tax on people who wanted to move.


48 posted on 08/18/2009 9:28:07 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: Renkluaf

I understand the Berlin Wall is available.


49 posted on 08/18/2009 9:28:41 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Republic of Texas

With all due respect, RofT, I’m getting the heck out of Mass as fast as I can — and I’m coming to Texas!


50 posted on 08/18/2009 9:30:15 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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