And thus, the difference in outcome...
Posted on 08/17/2009 4:23:25 AM PDT by urroner
Rock legend Bob Dylan was treated like a complete unknown by police in a New Jersey shore community when a resident called to report someone wandering around the neighborhood.
The officers asked Dylan for identification. The singer of such classics as "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Blowin' in the Wind" said that he didn't have any ID with him, that he was just walking around looking at houses to pass some time before that night's show.
The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean Place Resort and Spa, where the performers were staying. Once there, tour staff vouched for Dylan.
The officers thanked him for his cooperation.
"He couldn't have been any nicer to them," Woolley added.
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I don't think they will, but what they will probably do is descend upon Dylan and demand that he straighten his act out and become one of the offended and say those coppers were unAmerican and owed him an apology.
Wandering While a Wilbury?
I think Obama needs to get involved.
Ain’t Talkin’
As I walked out tonight in the mystic garden
The wounded flowers were dangling from the vine
I was passing by yon cool crystal fountain
Someone hit me from behind
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Through this weary world of woe
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
No one on earth would ever know
They say prayer has the power to heal
So pray for me, mother
In the human heart an evil spirit can dwell
I am a-tryin’ to love my neighbor and do good unto others
But oh, mother, things ain’t going well
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
I’ll burn that bridge before you can cross
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
There’ll be no mercy for you once you’ve lost
Now I’m all worn down by weeping
My eyes are filled with tears, my lips are dry
If I catch my opponents ever sleeping
I’ll just slaughter ‘em where they lie
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Through the world mysterious and vague
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Walkin’ through the cities of the plague.
Well, the whole world is filled with speculation
The whole wide world which people say is round
They will tear your mind away from contemplation
They will jump on your misfortune when you’re down
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Eatin’ hog eyed grease in a hog eyed town.
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Some day you’ll be glad to have me around.
They will crush you with wealth and power
Every waking moment you could crack
I’ll make the most of one last extra hour
I’ll revenge my father’s death then I’ll step back
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Hand me down my walkin’ cane.
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Got to get you out of my miserable brain.
All my loyal and my much-loved companions
They approve of me and share my code
I practice a faith that’s been long abandoned
Ain’t no altars on this long and lonesome road
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
My mule is sick, my horse is blind.
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Thinkin’ ‘bout that gal I left behind.
Well, it’s bright in the heavens and the wheels are flyin’
Fame and honor never seem to fade
The fire gone out but the light is never dyin’
Who says I can’t get heavenly aid?
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Carryin’ a dead man’s shield
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Walkin’ with a toothache in my heel
The sufferin’ is unending
Every nook and cranny has its tears
I’m not playing, I’m not pretending
I’m not nursin’ any superfluous fears
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Walkin’ ever since the other night.
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
Walkin’ ‘til I’m clean out of sight.
As I walked out in the mystic garden
On a hot summer day, a hot summer lawn
Excuse me, ma’am, I beg your pardon
There’s no one here, the gardener is gone
Ain’t talkin’, just walkin’
Up the road, around the bend.
Heart burnin’, still yearnin’
In the last outback at the world’s end.
‘The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean Place Resort and Spa’
Funny. I guess the cops were lost and needed Dylan’s help finding the resort and spa.
It would have been awesome if he said no.
Old old news, search and reading is your friend.
Contrast this with the video of Chicago "youths" referenced here yesterday.
ML/NJ
That would have been awesome and then if he gave them free tickets.
Since I really don’t pay much attention to “who’s who” in entertainment - just about anybody could sit down at a table next to me and eat without me jumping up and going “Oh, OH, can I have your autograph? Will you take a picture with me?”
Personally, I wouldn’t know Dylan if I saw him on the street,so I think the police acted responsibly in this case.
How refreshing. A "star," who was being inconvenienced, who didn't act like he was too good to cooperate. Amazing how he didn't get arrested like Prof. What's-his-name.
I think that the key thing we can learn from this incident is not that the police acted responsibly here, but that Bob Dylan acted very responsibly here also, unlike Gates or ObamaYoMama did.
I know how you feel. I don’t recognize half the names or 99% of the faces that are called celebrities these days.
This is amerika changed, you can't just be out a wanderin anymore.
“I wouldn’t recognize him either.”
It is not that the cops did not recognize *him*, it is that they did not recognize his *name*.
It’s like the cops stop someone and ask him “Who are you?” The guy says “Paul McCartney” and the cops don’t either (a) roll their eyes at being goofed; or (b) say “You mean like the guy in the Beatles?”
And thus, the difference in outcome...
Contemplating while caucasian?
My guess is he was looking for an ‘illegal influence’ when the Police stopped him. SO, you be nice and let them take you back to the hotel, then get a roadie to get some for you.
“that he was just walking around looking at houses”
NEVER do that. People will think you`re checking out their place for a robbery.
I once was asked if that guy standing over there in a crowd was my twin ,,,, when I looked over at him chills ran through my body in disbelief . I’m sure everyone has a twin somewhere . Some ,,,, maybe insecure people even go out of their way to look like celebs . Everyons should carry an ID to prove who they are .
Thanks for the ping, Scott.
The officers asked Dylan for identification. he didn't have any ID with him, The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean Place Resort and Spa, .. tour staff vouched for Dylan.The officers thanked him for his cooperation. "He couldn't have been any nicer to them," Woolley added.
SEE! This is what happens to an Old White Jew in America!
The cops roust him for no reason, beat him with clubs, handcuff him and throw him in the Drunk Tank for 48 hours! Just because he didn't have any ID!
Uh ....oops ... wait a sec ... that didn't happen, now did it?
No. Dylan was polite, then so were the police.
THAT'S how it works in America 'professor' Gates!
So why doesn’t he just carry a piece of ID? If he found a nice pair of gloves he’d like to buy then he couldn’t write a check.
I feel so stupid having missed something so obvious!!!
The police have no right to ask anyone for ID without probable cause. Wandering around the neighborhood doesn’t qualify. Dylan didn’t have his ID but he would have been perfectly justified if he refused to provide ID if he had it.
If a policeman asked me for ID simply because I was wandering aimlessly, which I often do, I would tell him/her to pound sand. If, on the other hand, they found me climbing into a second floor window of my own house, which I have also done, that’s another story.
Bob Dylan is a Great American.
If we can have a hundred Michael Jackson threads, there's no problem with two Bob Dylan threads.
Which is just a minor point. The big deal is Dylan's behavior in contrast to Gates' hissy fit. I believe the two events were happening close to the same time.
Bad guess. Not a chance. None.
There are a number of of half impaired ill groomed seniors wandering around Long Branch on any given day or night, and most of them carry ID. < /sarc >
Wandering ~ Traditional
Ive been wanderin early and late
From new york city to the golden gate
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
My daddy was an engineer
My brother drives a hack
My sister takes in laundry
While the baby balls the jack
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
Ive been in the army
Ive worked on a farm
And all Ive got to show is the muscle in my arm
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
My ma she died when I was young
My daddy took to stealin and he got hung
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
Snakes in the ocean
Eels in the sea
I let a redheaded woman make a fool out of me
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
Ive been wanderin early and late
From the new york city to the golden gate
And it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
No, it dont look like
Ill ever stop my wanderin
Ridiculous
Well, you can stand on Principle if you want but a simple thin like producing a valid ID upon reasonable request seems OK to me. To do otherwise is to perhaps make a ‘Gates’ Moment out of a simple matter.
Frankly, if someone looks out of place in my neighborhood I’d like the Police to inquire a little.
JMO
Hmmmm... a rock star has never done drugs, or gone looking for them in a strange city? Ridiculous?
Your claim that a 50 year rock legend that is on tour with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, surrounded by the industry and crews would have to leave to go down to some shady neighborhood to score some third rate drugs in person is ridiculous yes.
Does Bob Dylan even do drugs?
Your claim that a 50 year rock legend that is on tour with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp, surrounded by the industry and crews would have to leave to go down to some shady neighborhood to score some third rate drugs in person is ridiculous yes.
Does Bob Dylan even do drugs?
Dylan has admitted that he enjoys pot and hash... never admitted to using harder drugs. Who knows for sure but him and those closest to him. I’m just saying it’s always possible.
Think about it, Bob Dylan or any other tour headliner would not have to escape his music scene shows and hotel and crew (and Willie Nelson) to go out into a poor neighborhood alone desperately in search of a joint.
At least it didn't stop him from showing up at the G8 Summit.
I’m just saying that you never know.
Anything is possible if you want to play a childs game.
Well, you’re playing it with me.
No I really did not know that you were like this, I thought that I was dealing with a regular freeper, not a childish goofball.
Next visit to the office, No Novacaine for You.
The big deal is Dylan’s behavior in contrast to Gates’ hissy fit.
I said it before and I’ll say it again. Gates’ hissy fit was a reaction to distract the police from finding out who the other man was.
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