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Cutting the cord - America loses its landlines
The Economist (U.K.) ^ | August 13, 2009

Posted on 08/17/2009 1:21:30 AM PDT by Schnucki

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1 posted on 08/17/2009 1:21:31 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

Verizon saw this problem coming a long way off (strangely, since it *is* Verizon) and started their FIOS project both to provide added value that people would pay for at home and to reduce their costs as they had to replace their copper plant.

The current guy in charge of GM was in charge of SBC/AT&T when Verizon started their fiber charge and decided that he was going to have none of that, only roll out slow DSL, well, slowly. And maybe bundle satellite TV in. Among other stupid decisions.

AT&T is now more than a decade behind Verizon in rolling out their FIOS equivalent.


2 posted on 08/17/2009 1:30:46 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Schnucki

A few months back I was able to get Cable phone service, plus high speed internet, plus digital Cable, for about $45 more a month than a traditional telephone line. So now Comcast is my phone company, with my cellphone as backup for when it goes out, as it does!


3 posted on 08/17/2009 1:32:49 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Schnucki
We fired the phone company years ago. Not to save money, but because of their crappy customer service and constant overbilling. Never missed them!

We have High speed DSL and basic cable for 29 bucks/month. (comcast)

4 posted on 08/17/2009 2:11:23 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper
We started using VoIP for non-marketing communications in our business a couple of years ago, and have recently switched all business communication over to that. We've been so pleased with it that we're considering switching the entire family over to VoIP.

It's going to be an uphill battle retiring those Blackberries, though. :(

5 posted on 08/17/2009 2:37:54 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: Schnucki

What happens to Fios, Cable, VoIP, and all the other wireline replacements (and their battery chargers) when the power goes off for a few hours or more?

The last time I had this problem, my power was off for two days due to a bad storm. No computer, no TV, no lights, no cable, no nothing, but my low-tech wireline phone kept working the whole time.


6 posted on 08/17/2009 3:00:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." Herbert Hoover, 1932)
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To: Schnucki

I wonder how DirectTV and Dish Network handle this?
You have to plug a landline phone into the back of each receiver...or at least you used to?

It was to prove that the box was at your address and not another and also to handle billing for Pay-Per-View.


7 posted on 08/17/2009 3:07:34 AM PDT by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Fresh Wind
The last time I had this problem, my power was off for two days due to a bad storm. No computer, no TV, no lights, no cable, no nothing, but my low-tech wireline phone kept working the whole time.

We plug the cellphones into the car chargers. They often come with the cellphone, free.

8 posted on 08/17/2009 3:15:00 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: Bobalu

Our Sat boxes aren’t plugged in anymore - I think you still need to if you are buying Pay-Per-View but I believe you can buy them on the net and don’t need to.


9 posted on 08/17/2009 3:32:55 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Life, Liberty and the Department of Happiness)
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To: Schnucki

The first things to crash during a hurricane are electricity, cable and cell phones but phone land lines have been reliable during even the worst storms. That’s why, down here on the Space Coast, I’m keeping mine.


10 posted on 08/17/2009 4:07:12 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it

Cell phone service downtime statistics are considered a matter of national security and are not available to the public, not even via FOIA requests.

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/12/why_cell_phone_.html


11 posted on 08/17/2009 4:18:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." Herbert Hoover, 1932)
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To: Fresh Wind

Yup. That’s what makes the service unavailable to John Q. Citizen. During the 2004-05 hurricanes, power, cable and cell service was out for over a week but my land line worked fine.


12 posted on 08/17/2009 4:23:49 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: Schnucki

I’ve said elsewhere that the telemarketers have essentially destroyed the usefulness of one of man’s greatest technological achievements.

Yes mobile phones were always the next logical step but just imagine if everyone removed the front door to their homes - this is what telemarketing has reduced us to - distrust of any caller, the ubiquity of Caller ID and a ‘conversation’ consisting of reciprocal voice mails and follow-up calls via - you guessed it - mobile phone.

Those of us who want to see government intervention minimized don’t want more telemarketing laws - the existing ones are toothless anyway (by design) and an army of chancers have long ago figured out ways to get around them. Unfortunately the free market apparently provides enough incentive for telemarketers to stay in business courtesy of enough idiots scattered across the land who actually engage in commerce with these snake oilers.

The only reason pollsters continue to rely on landline polls is money. If they are too cheap to obtain valid measurements via shoe leather then their results are therefore invalid. They can hedge their bets with margins of errors but the fact remains that anyone responding to a poll picked the phone up in the first place and agreed to share their most personal views with a complete stranger. The margin of error in any poll is probably 10% or more.


13 posted on 08/17/2009 4:33:15 AM PDT by relictele
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Hmmm...

Try living in a dead zone. All it takes is a hilly, rocky terrain and a bunch of NIMBYs who don’t want to see towers ANYwhere to make huge dead zones.

Still stuck with a land-line...

P.


14 posted on 08/17/2009 4:44:37 AM PDT by Peet (<- A.K.A. the Foundling)
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To: Gorzaloon
We plug the cellphones into the car chargers. They often come with the cellphone, free.

And, if the cell towers have no power....?

15 posted on 08/17/2009 4:48:03 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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I do not have a landline, but if I did it would be solely to possess a source of electricity during outages (such as Hurricane Ike, which left us unpowered for two weeks).

I think a landline is 5 or 6 volts, which is enough to power LEDs and even recharge a cell phone, if you rig it correctly (hey, that may be the definition of irony right there).

Question: If I do not subscribe to a landline service, will the phone company know I hacked into their box and am stealing their 5 volts?

16 posted on 08/17/2009 5:01:41 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: raybbr
And, if the cell towers have no power....? .

Never seen that happen, myself. We lose our power about every month, but it seems to be localized.

17 posted on 08/17/2009 5:03:54 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: Schnucki

Unmentioned is business phone use. The telephone is not much used. E mail is the com line. I deal with many young women who don’t answer their phones. You want to communicate with them it is e mail or nothing.


18 posted on 08/17/2009 5:08:49 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khitab)
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When you call 911 on your land line it dosnt matter if you become unconscious or if the intruder takes away your phone. the 911 people have your address. The cell phone wont do that for you.

IMO the phone company slid downhill when they stopped having a real person you can talk to. When I dial up with a problem , I dont want a message, I dont want to push buttons, I want to speak to a real person.


19 posted on 08/17/2009 5:22:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: MrPiper
Not to save money, but because of their crappy customer service and constant overbilling.

That's funny. We fired our cable system (comcast) for the exact same reason. Switched to Dish network and never looked back.

20 posted on 08/17/2009 5:23:24 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money (I'll show their president the exact same respect and loyalty that they have shown my president.)
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