Posted on 08/16/2009 3:38:18 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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What a disaster this health-care debate is. It strains, stresses and pierces, it unnecessarily agitates and is doomed to be the cause of further agitation. Who doubts the final bill will be something between a pig in a poke and three-card Monte?
Which is too bad, because our health-care system actually needs to be made better. ***
There are smart and experienced people who say whatever the mess right now, the president will get a bill of some sort because he has the brute numeric majority. A rising number say no, this thing has roused such ire he won't get much if anything. I don't know, but this is true: If he wins it, will be a victory not worth having. It will have cost too much. It has lessened the thing an admired president must have from the people, and that is trust.
It is divisive save in one respect. The Obama White House has done the near impossible: It has united the Republican Party. Social conservatives, economic conservatives, libertarians—they're all against the health-care schemes as presented so far. They're shoulder-to-shoulder at the barricade again. ***
The president's town-hall meeting on Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H., was supposed to be an antidote to the fractious town halls with members of Congress the past weeks. But it was not peaceful, only somnolent. Actually it was a bit of a disaster. It looked utterly stacked, with softball after softball thrown by awed and supportive citizens. When George W. Bush did town halls like that—full of people who'd applaud if he said tomorrow we bring democracy to Saturn—it was considered a mark of manipulation and insecurity. And it was. So was Mr. Obama's.
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Don’t fall for this false sense of security folks. This is the new talking points. Noonan and the beltway conservatives are going to declare Obamacare defeated in which it’ll be passed when nobody’s looking. Remember that Noonan has no credibility. She voted for the Kenyan.
Shut up, Peggy.
We The People DEMAND honest representation, and get neither from the DNC nor the GOP.
Washington DC needs an enema, which includes K Street and all you Beltway elitists with them!!
United the Rep party to do what? Recognize that a collapsing financial system is not compatible with ANY spending program? Agree with Dims that socialist modeled Healthcare Co-ops are viable? Jump on a contrived, false climate change initiative? Only a few Dems and a few more in the Rep party have a clue...they are not in adequate numbers, and a frightened Ob may try to avoid the potential results of a 2010 election season, given the ‘AWAKENING’ by the public.
I think she is pompous. She writes like a woman who is very depressed. I think she is probably over medicated but she is partially right. We are united and more and more people see Obama has just another far left liberal.
DITTO!
She can KMA! I don't care what she says/writes. She is no friend to conservatives. Especially after her attacks on Sarah Palin I don't read anything she writes.
Better watch out, noonan. Your president may find your lack of faith disturbing.
Not only voted but supported odumbo in print many times
Joker touches third rail, is electoracuted.
Ms. Noonan "sleeps" with both.
She is a wordsmith not a political science genius. It’s like a lot of the Packers after Lombardi left, she was great because her great boss gave her direction/discipline.
Noonan is just another skank, propagandist and sometimes whining loud mouth from Washington DC…do you really want me to tell you what I believe.
I agree. Any bill will just be an incremental step towards nationalized healthcare. Some insurance reform, tort reform, Medicare/Medicaid oversite—a few tweeks to the system is all that is needed. NO government involvement in our healthcare! If anything, we need limited government and a dialing down of Federal Government power.
If she thinks Obama united the Republican party, then, perhaps she knows that Obama also united a lot of democrats with republicans against this horrendous bill. This has little to do with uniting the republican party, but everything to do with the potential destruction of the United States, no matter what your political standing is. RINOS will still be RINOS, in most other areas, and that is what’s dividing the party.
We need 3rd Party—we need Sarah Palin to lead the new party—we need Americans to stand with her to run for office or support the new party what ever it turns out to be. We need unity and a new renewed idea of what it is to be an American. We need patriots. Too long the special interests and lobbies have ruled over us.
I don’t have a name for this new party but I have some ideas about what it should stand for.
1. The Constitution.
2. An end to Muli-Cultural nonsense.
3. An end to Secularism cutting out God.
4. An end to Abortion—total ban on Late term abortion.
5. No to illegals! All illegals!
6. A tight—air tight border with Mexico.
7. A strong Army, Navy and Air Force.
8. Drill, drill, drill—off shore etc...
9. Atomic Power—Build Build Build.
10. More refineries.
11. More use of Coal. Make it as clean as we can.
12. An end to Global warming power grab.
13. End Public TV Broadcasting.
14. End to all “Czars”.
15. A New Branch of the Military— The Border Guard.
16. End Federal mandates for local schools.
17. No welfare—only workfare. Everyone gets a chance but not a handout.
and drive home the point:
EQUAL OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT MEAN EQUAL OUTCOME!
Peggy is no conservative, but she can give great insight into the thinking of the moderate mind. If she is sour on Obama, you can bet there are a great many other moderate Obama voters who are as well.
Peggy, report yourself to flag@whitehouse.gov
The GOP is going to find some bi-partisan solution, which means they’ll find a way to get taxpayer money to their own special interest groups and try to sell it to the rest of us unwashed as a good bill. Once again, the GOP will snatch defeat from the jaws of a conservative victory. A pox on both their houses!
Door #2 please and pass the ammo...
Capitalists?
Yeah, Peggy, celebrated by a bunch of fawning and cooing, guilt-ridden white people and a bunch of minorities who were cheering the homey, no matter he said or did.
But Peggy's not the only one now in the process of pulling back, putting a little distance between themselves and the anointed (by them) one, trying to salvage whatever credibility they have left before it gets even worse.
But just know, tiresome one, that there a lot of us non-elites around who had this dude pegged 18 - 24 months ago, when we heard his cotton candy, hope and change nonsense for the first time or two, just about the time we saw the first one or two fainting groupies being carried away from the revival meeting.
You're not enlightening anyone these days, Peggy. You're just trying to salvage whatever credibility you have left.
Yeah, Peggy, celebrated by a bunch of fawning and cooing, guilt-ridden white people and a bunch of minorities who were cheering the homey, no matter he said or did.
But Peggy's not the only one now in the process of pulling back, putting a little distance between themselves and the anointed (by them) one, trying to salvage whatever credibility they have left before it gets even worse.
But just know, tiresome one, that there a lot of us non-elites around who had this dude pegged 18 - 24 months ago, when we heard his cotton candy, hope and change nonsense for the first time or two, just about the time we saw the first one or two fainting groupies being carried away from the revival meeting.
You're not enlightening anyone these days, Peggy. You're just trying to salvage whatever credibility you have left.
Obama has galvanized conservatives. Neo-cons and moderates like you are trying to blend in.
I used to think a lot about Peggy Noonan. She wrote the book about Reagan...”When Character Was King”...
Makes me wonder how she EVER thought this guy was a legitimate president. We STILL don’t have a lot of stuff about his “character” out in the open.
It’s called being a true American, we should try it...and not to part of a Socialist or Marxist Confab.
she writes like a right of center Maureen Dowd
bttt
Yeah right Peggy...I don’t stand side by side with you and I’m no damn Republican. This is an effort led by the American people and you aren’t part of it. Neither are the Republicans really. They are standing on the sidelines with only a few exceptions while Americans are the ones confronting their politicians of all parties and facing down Obama’s thugs.
Sorry, have no interest in what this woman says. Probably shouldn’t have opened the post because of that, but I didn’t notice the name by the headline at first.
Heh...yeah, like I would believe these beltway Reps anyway. Geez, I can even believe my local Representative (and rightly so), why would I believe these beltway idiots...
They have been so wrong in the past and are again so wrong that I wonder just where they get their information (inside the beltway is my bet)...
I am really tired of the Beltway Republican media (and yes, that is what they are - Media hounds). If you can’t make up your mind without these creeps, then you should not vote!
“When George W. Bush did town halls like that—full of people who’d applaud if he said tomorrow we bring democracy to Saturn—it was considered a mark of manipulation and insecurity.”
I would like to see a political party with such principles.
The tough thing is that, in our system, a 3rd party or minor political party has minimal clout. Michael Medved talks about this sometimes on his show. He says that since we have an entrenched two party system, that conservatives need to re-group always within Republican primaries to nominate more conservative candidates. Otherwise, conservative candidates will get only a small fraction of the vote, if they are running as 3rd party or independent candidates.
The Libertarian party has been around for many years, but has won very few if any seats in state legislatures or any local offices. I don’t think any Libertarians have been elected to the U.S.Congress. And as Medved would say, even if some Libertarians got elected to Congress, the two party system guarantees that they would be a small minority.
Realistically a new conservative party would have to devote many years to building a political organization to compete with the established parties.
The Obama White House has done the near impossible: It has united the Republican Party. Social conservatives, economic conservatives, libertarians -- they're all against the health-care schemes as presented so far. They're shoulder-to-shoulder at the barricade again. *** The president's town-hall meeting on Tuesday in Portsmouth, N.H., was supposed to be an antidote to the fractious town halls with members of Congress the past weeks. But it was not peaceful, only somnolent. Actually it was a bit of a disaster. It looked utterly stacked, with softball after softball thrown by awed and supportive citizens.
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EXCELLENT statement! Bravo!
Kick out the 50 million illegal intruders, and there is NO MORE problem with America’s ‘health care’.
“But just know, ... that there a lot of us non-elites around who had this dude pegged 18 - 24 months ago, when we heard his cotton candy, hope and change nonsense for the first time or two, just about the time we saw the first one or two fainting groupies being carried away from the revival meeting.”
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Hear Hear!
Perhaps you will reconsider their current stance.
Yeah, but it sounds like it is dawning on her that he isn't going to call...
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