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California employees face quandary over carbon offsets
Sacramento Bee ^ | 8/16/9 | Tom Knudson

Posted on 08/16/2009 1:56:22 PM PDT by SmithL

Al Gore buys them. So do the Grateful Dead, Hollywood celebrities and, increasingly, many climate-conscious executives and consumers.

For those who travel the world by air but don't want to contribute to global warming in the process, compensating with so-called carbon offsets has become a fashionable solution.

The sale of these credits for environmentally friendly activities, investments in everything from wind energy to carbon stored in forests, jumped from $97 million in 2006 to $331 million worldwide in 2007 – about a quarter of it in the United States.

But one global green leader does not offset its travel, even though its employees regularly fly around the world warning about the dangers of climate change and devising strategies to combat it. That leader is the state of California.

"As a state employee, you are put in an awkward situation," said Tony Brunello, deputy secretary of climate change and energy at the Natural Resources Agency who has traveled to Europe, South America and Indonesia.

"We are trying to push (emissions) reductions," Brunello said. "It would help us, as state workers, to have some clear direction on what you do and you don't offset."

His quandary hit home after a recent trip to Brazil for which no offsets were purchased. When The Bee asked about that, Brunello decided to buy them himself.

"Do we need a policy for how this stuff works?" asked Sandy Cooney, a spokesman for the resources agency. "Absolutely, yes – because one does not exist."

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; carbonoffsets; globalwarminghoax; goldenstate; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 08/16/2009 1:56:23 PM PDT by SmithL
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2 posted on 08/16/2009 1:56:43 PM PDT by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: SmithL

So, what’s the carbon tax for these forest fires?


3 posted on 08/16/2009 1:59:12 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: SmithL

Carbon offsets result in no carbon reducstions.

None.

It’s a money laundering exchange scam on par with the other liberal money scams,


4 posted on 08/16/2009 2:00:35 PM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: SmithL

Meanwhile some Northern Ca. moron throws a lit cigarette butt out the window and causing huge, raging forest fires.
Gotta be spewing tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Try tallying up those carbon credits. What lunacy!


5 posted on 08/16/2009 2:00:48 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tired1
So, what’s the carbon tax for these forest fires?

Exactly - and when they are set by illegals, does their country pay the tax??

6 posted on 08/16/2009 2:01:18 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SmithL

The farce of carbon indulgences.


7 posted on 08/16/2009 2:01:25 PM PDT by A message (3 years 5 months 3 days until Jim Thompson is President)
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To: tired1

remember whenever ppl attack America for using more energy than the rest of the world, remind them to blame New York and California


8 posted on 08/16/2009 2:02:13 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: tired1

“So, what’s the carbon tax for these forest fires?”

forest fires??

85,000 Acre California Fire, still burning caused by Mexican Drug Cartels - confirmed!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317334/posts


9 posted on 08/16/2009 2:02:33 PM PDT by AuntB (Tired of D & R globalist power brokers? How 'bout HEARTLAND AMERICA PARTY? It's a state of mind!)
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To: SmithL

I still think that the concept of, “Go ahead and pollute. Just pay us to do it!” is kind of wacky. Are these pinheads in the business to “save the planet” or just make money to provide “green jobs?” Smells “fishy” to me. Algore and his “celebraties” can continue purchasing “carbon credits” if it gives them warm fuzzies but don’t shove this bullsh*t down my throat.


10 posted on 08/16/2009 2:02:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: NoLibZone

Exactly correct.


11 posted on 08/16/2009 2:03:25 PM PDT by Roberts
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To: SmithL

Well, let’s see here...

First, they can travel all they want to because there is no global warming. Second, they can buy all the carbon offsets they want to, because offsets are just phony feel-good mumbo-jumbo anyhow. And finally, it doesn’t much matter what state employees do because they probably won’t have a job much longer anyhow.

That seems to about cover it!


12 posted on 08/16/2009 2:04:20 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SmithL
Can we cap the travel expenses and trade these public employees out to liberal thinktanks so we don't have to continue paying their salaries, paying their travel expenses while at the same time they tell us that the state's broke?

I just can't believe the insanity of an article talking about how public employees are confused about buying offsets for their travel - got a better idea - YOU'RE FIRED. There, problem solved.

13 posted on 08/16/2009 2:19:26 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: SmithL
Al Gore buys them from himself.

There. Fixed it.

14 posted on 08/16/2009 2:19:56 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Palin / Palin 2012 (either order))
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To: SmithL

I’ll sell them Carbon Indulgences - as many as they would like to buy.


15 posted on 08/16/2009 2:20:30 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: SmithL
Let me get this straight, it's ok to pollute and you're not thought bad of for doing it, so long as you buy gore's "carbon offsets"?

Doesn't that smack of a version of a mobster "protection racket"?

Didn't I see today where some parts of California had a low temp this morning of 57 degrees....in AUGUST?

I must have fallen asleep about 20 years ago, because all that's going on in America HAS to be a nightmare. American's are too smart to fall for this nonsense...I thought.
16 posted on 08/16/2009 2:21:26 PM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: SmithL

I’m having a special on carbon credits this weekend. Two for the price of one. Hurry, they will not last. I take PayPal: make your purchase at carboncreditos@showmethemoney.com. Minimum purchase of $500 (remember, that will get you $1000 in carbon credits).

And, if you’ll order in the next hour, you can purchase your credits in your choice of colors. “Color” carbon credits is a recent enhancement, and not everyone has realized the extra value there. Green has been very popular, followed by light blue.


17 posted on 08/16/2009 2:21:54 PM PDT by moovova (More coffee please...make it a double.)
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To: moovova
Bernie Madoff did not have a clue when it comes down to a Scam.

AlGores a bloody genius for this one.

18 posted on 08/16/2009 2:26:25 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: FrankR

American’s are too smart to fall for this nonsense...I thought.


Ha ha — That’s a good one. Sometimes, I think the only country being run for the good of that country are the Asian ones (Japan, South Korea, or China). Everyone else has drunk the Kool-Aid.


19 posted on 08/16/2009 2:37:57 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SmithL
But one global green leader does not offset its travel, even though its employees regularly fly around the world warning about the dangers of climate change and devising strategies to combat it. That leader is the state of California.

They say that they are "broke" but they have the money for this nonsense? That ain't broke.

What they need is a good controller. One that knows how to budget. I suggest a middle class parent with at least three kids who has no debt except for the mortgage.

Those people know how to cut costs.

20 posted on 08/16/2009 2:44:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: SmithL
What the ef?
21 posted on 08/16/2009 2:45:20 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Color me red, white and blue - I attended a tea party on July 4th.)
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To: SmithL

The really scarey part is ...we’ll be bailing these carbon credit buying bozos out one of the days after the carbon credit “bubble” bursts.


22 posted on 08/16/2009 2:45:30 PM PDT by moovova (More coffee please...make it a double.)
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To: SmithL
deputy secretary of climate change ................

this is sign number 6 that your state is too far gone to even see "normal" again.

23 posted on 08/16/2009 2:48:35 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: SmithL
Lol...


24 posted on 08/16/2009 2:57:24 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Hows My Posting? Please Contact flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: SmithL

Who sells these carbon offset credits and what do they provide in return for them? I can understand a zero sum game for industry to buy emmissions credits, but what do citizens, celebrities and others get by buying them?


25 posted on 08/16/2009 2:57:57 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: umgud

Love, peace and understanding.


26 posted on 08/16/2009 3:00:05 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Hows My Posting? Please Contact flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: SmithL

Here we go. Next will be taxpayer money used to buy these scam offsets so that states execs can fly around with a clear conscience.


27 posted on 08/16/2009 3:16:14 PM PDT by bustinchops
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To: SmithL

People of California:

Have many trees. Am holding all hostage. Bulldozer at the ready. If you don’t send me $10 bazillion I’m going to start pushing them over one-by-one, put them in a big pile and BURN them.

Ah, HA, HA, HA!

Il Gore (Al’s evil step brother)


28 posted on 08/16/2009 3:17:34 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: SmithL

Since carbon dioxide is not a pollutant I would think this is the only intelligent decision made by the state gov.


29 posted on 08/16/2009 3:20:05 PM PDT by Bhoy
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To: NoLibZone
It’s a money laundering exchange scam on par with the other liberal money scams,

Exactly!

Al Gore, the businessman.

Since his election defeat, apart from winning a Nobel Peace prize and an Academy Award, he’s landed numerous $175,000 speaking gigs and his stock in Google and Apple that he received as a board advisor is reportedly worth nearly $35 million. Plus he’s started a carbon credit trading company and his networth is supposedly north of $100 million!

Al Gore has made $100 million + from his scare campaign on Global Warming.

30 posted on 08/16/2009 3:41:28 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: FrankR
Didn't I see today where some parts of California had a low temp this morning of 57 degrees....in AUGUST?

One of those places would be here (Milpitas[1]). It's been a really cold summer, kind of like last year and the year before ...

[1] Low of 57 this morning according to my dashboard weather thingie.

31 posted on 08/16/2009 3:45:02 PM PDT by altair (Bring back the poll tax - if you paid net income taxes you can vote, otherwise you can't)
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To: moovova


32 posted on 08/16/2009 3:47:52 PM PDT by devolve (- - .....Trust me! There are no Death Panels in ObamaCare!..... - -)
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To: altair

Actually, I would like to know WTF californians are paying state employees to go around the world trying to influence foriegn policy for anyway. Since when was that a state responsibility? SOunds like misuse of state tax funds to me.


33 posted on 08/16/2009 3:49:49 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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34 posted on 08/16/2009 3:58:28 PM PDT by devolve (- - .....Trust me! There are no Death Panels in ObamaCare!..... - -)
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To: SmithL

Do these people realize how nutty they come off? Sheesh!


35 posted on 08/16/2009 4:52:42 PM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (One man's tingle is another man's chill...)
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To: umgud

They get to feel cool and self-righteous.


36 posted on 08/16/2009 4:56:00 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: SmithL

Laughs.

And laughs.

And laughs.

When libs say “tax carbon”, they’re not talking about themselves. :)

Can’t wait to see how much of a pinch this will put in the budget problems of Ca....


37 posted on 08/16/2009 6:02:31 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: SmithL

Less than $40 worth of ‘carbon credits’ were sold at the Democrat Convention in Denver, where they nominated NObama to be President!!!!

The message doesn’t seem to resonate with the rank & file, eh?


38 posted on 08/16/2009 6:23:29 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SmithL

Does anyone know if the California emissions footprint from the reference includes the annual wildfires ... and if not, what are the estimated annual wildfire emissions in California?
Many thanks.


39 posted on 08/16/2009 6:24:20 PM PDT by gsan
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To: rbg81
You know, they're getting pretty trick about this carbon offset thing. Earlier this year I booked a flight for myself and my wife on Austrian Airways online. The form had a check box for those who wish to contribute. It was already checked. I unchecked it, for the both of us, and moved on. Then I made an error and had to step back one page. All my information was there, unchanged, except for one thing. The carbon offset box was checked again. I wonder how many people are unwittingly paying carbon offsets? What a scam!
40 posted on 08/16/2009 6:55:30 PM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: Swordmaker; Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
"Do we need a policy for how this stuff works?" asked Sandy Cooney, a spokesman for the resources agency. "Absolutely, yes -- because one does not exist."
That's appropriate, since the threat from CO2 doesn't exist.
41 posted on 08/16/2009 6:59:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SmithL

I’d love to find out how to sell offsets. Looks like a profitable business and I have no problem taking money from idiots.


42 posted on 08/16/2009 7:23:18 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: SeminoleSoldier
For every $5,000 you collect, I'll plant a tree. I'll take 33.3% for expenses and profit and you run the company and handle marketing and bookkeeping.
43 posted on 08/16/2009 7:25:49 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: NoLibZone

44 posted on 08/16/2009 8:17:09 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: SmithL; Horusra; Delacon; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

45 posted on 08/17/2009 3:43:46 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Power is not alluring to pure minds." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SmithL

See, this is what happens when you elect a RINO to run things...


46 posted on 08/17/2009 5:10:35 AM PDT by snuffy smiff (the only good commie is a dead commie)
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To: wgflyer

Interesting. I’ll have to be on the lookout for that next time I travel.


47 posted on 08/17/2009 5:11:31 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SmithL
Certainly Calpers doesn't want to invest in this after their wonderful investment in fanne mae and freddie mac.
48 posted on 08/17/2009 6:31:29 PM PDT by johnny reb (When in the course of human events.......)
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To: SmithL

I don’t see water vapor in the charts.

It’s the largest component of fossil fuel combustion.


49 posted on 08/18/2009 8:30:52 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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