of guns worked, the USA would now be 99.99%
free of crimes involving criminal use of guns.
Posted on 08/12/2009 12:20:34 PM PDT by neverdem
U-T SACRAMENTO BUREAU
OVERVIEW
Background: In 2007, the Legislature passed a bill that requires new models of semiautomatic handguns to leave an identifying code on shell casings. The law is scheduled to take effect Jan. 1.
What's changing: Unresolved legal issues and concerns about the technology have raised questions about whether the law will go into effect as planned.
The future: Efforts by other states and the federal government to adopt similar rules may lag if implementation of the California law becomes problematic.
SACRAMENTO – Two years after California passed a novel law requiring the next generation of semiautomatic handguns to leave a microscopic identifying code on shell casings, the controversial technology appears no closer to being introduced here or anywhere else.
California Attorney General Jerry Brown has not certified the law, which is required before it can take effect as scheduled on Jan. 1, and his aides could not say when that may happen.
Other states expected to follow California's lead instead have pulled back, waiting in some cases to see what happens here. Similar federal legislation has failed to find any political traction.
Gun manufacturers continue to question the readiness and potential cost of the technology, known as microstamping or ballistic tagging. Regardless, they say, other safety standards unique to California are stopping most companies from introducing handgun models here.
“I have no reason to believe there is any major manufacturer that is going to incur the millions and millions of dollars in costs to implement microstamping for new models introduced in California,” said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, an industry trade association.
“They will simply sell the models that are on the (approved) list now. New models going forward will be barred from the California market, which is already happening,” he said.
The inventor of the microstamping technology and those who pushed the California law say any impediments to implementing the first-in-the-nation statute will be resolved soon.
“This is going to be implemented in January, and there won't be any bumps in the road,” said Assemblyman Mike Feuer, a Los Angeles Democrat who carried the legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
“I remain confident,” Feuer continued, “that it is in fact going to become not only the law in other states, but the law of the land.”
Feuer's bill, AB 1471 of 2007, requires all new models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California after Jan. 1 to be equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the gun's make, model and serial number.
The tiny characters must be etched in at least two places – the tip of the firing pin and one other location – within the firearm and positioned so that they transfer onto each cartridge as it is fired.
Gun-control advocates say the technology could have a profound impact on fighting crime. Most homicides in California are committed with handguns and most handguns sold in the state are semiautomatics.
But the limited application of the law, even if everything goes smoothly, does not figure to be felt for years.
The statute covers only new models of semiautomatic handguns approved for sale after its effective date. That excludes 1,326 different types of handguns legal for sale in California. Revolvers, which do not discharge shell casings, also are not covered.
The microstamping process was invented 15 years ago by Todd Lizotte, a New Hampshire engineer who patented the process under the trademark NanoMark Technologies. Because the technology was available nowhere else, the Legislature required the attorney general to certify that it was available “to more than one (gun) manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.”
That hasn't happened yet.
“We're continuing to review the legislation, but the certification requirements have not yet been met,” Christine Gasparac, the attorney general's press secretary, said last week.
The relevant patents are not yet in the public domain, Gasparac explained.
“Nothing can move forward until the patent issue has been resolved,” she said.
Lizotte, the inventor, said from the outset that he was willing to provide a royalty-free license for gun manufacturers. Such a license would have allowed him to retain the patent rights for other applications.
But that did not satisfy the firearms industry nor apparently the state's attorneys.
In an interview last week, Lizotte said he recently decided to abandon at least four of the patents involved.
“We worked with the (state's) attorneys,” he said. “They told us exactly what we needed to do to meet the guidelines and we've done that.”
The patents may have been abandoned, said Gasparac, the attorney general's press secretary, “but our office is not aware of that.”
Feuer, the assemblyman who carried the bill, requested and was granted a meeting with the attorney general last month. Afterward, he said he believes the certification process will be done soon.
That came as a surprise to representatives of the firearms industry, who said they have not been invited to any stakeholder sessions, as they normally are when the state develops regulations for major new gun laws.
In the two years since California embraced microstamping, seven other states have considered similar legislation. A proposed national law also was introduced in Congress. But only the District of Columbia has passed a microstamping law.
But even if the attorney general certifies the measure, gun makers say it's uncertain when the internal coding may be added to firearms, if ever.
Many firearms companies are struggling to comply with California's 2006 mandate that all new handgun models include a loaded chamber indicator and a mechanism that prevents firing when a magazine is removed.
In the more than three years since, just one new semiautomatic model has been approved by the state. Two others are pending, Gasparac said.
Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc. is the only gun maker to date that has overcome that hurdle. The company's general counsel said he has “grave concerns” about whether microstamping is feasible.
“The problem I have with this is it can't be done,” said Kevin Reid, Ruger's general counsel. “The legislation says it has to work 100 percent of the time and there is nobody, nobody including Todd Lizotte himself, who would say it will always work.”
Several studies, including one done by the University of California Davis, have concluded the process needs further review, that it appears to work better on some guns than others.
But Lizotte, the inventor, argued that even in situations where only a partial code may be legible, it could still be invaluable – much like a partial fingerprint or license plate number – in cracking a crime.
For Feuer, the time has come to move past the debate and implement the law.
“The bottom line is this technology is going to help put criminals behind bars,” he said. “We should do it.”
Alan Gura's on the job.
Not to mention interstate commerce.
Communists don’t care about citizen’s rights....
Why don't they just pass laws requiring everybody to be millionaires and the problem of poverty would be solved!
"It's a Gift" when your opponents are ignorant ideologues.
“The bottom line is this technology is going to help put criminals behind bars,” he said. “We should do it.”
Like a criminal won’t file the nanostamp off the firing pin or the cartridge marker .
They should enact a law that makes it illegal to use a weapon while committing a crime.
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Good.
Jerry Brown is a one man wrecking machine. He ruined CA and sent his bad ideas across the nation. Jerk.
Nahhhhh They will just carry a revolver.
In fact I might be tempted to carry a revolver soemthing like say a .45 acp and go to a range and pick up a bunch of .45 spent brass. Use the revolver and throw the spent brass on the ground.
But then again I guess that requires thinking...
But here's a suggestion — since every drive-by shooting involves the use of a motor vehicle, enact laws requiring every motor vehicle to leave its VIN number inked onto the pavement every 50 feet.
I forsee long production runs for existing models of semiautomatic handguns sold in Kawl-ee-fawn-ee-yaa.
Good.
And this is good because...?
If the residents of California are going to let their representatives make more silly laws then they should be the ones to bear the brunt of it, not us.
No reason for the firearms industry to re-tool or suffer because of California’s silly restrictions.
Same thing for excessive tobacco or alcohol taxes. Or special EPA equipment. Just stop selling the products there.
Tom,
I don’t think anyone is jumping on you they are just speaking in general what a lame brain idea this is. illustrating absurdity with absurdity...
If you want to get down to the crux of the issue think of this one question...
“How many criminals do you think go in to a gun store and purchase a weapon for using an ID with their real name and address on it?”
When you answer that question you will get an idea of how many crimes this will help solve.
This is not about solving crimes. It’s about drying up the supply of guns in California. The harder they make it the scarcer guns become. It’s back door illegalization plain and simple.
Incrementalism at its worst.
We will not let the enemy establish a beachhead! ;) just my 1.5 cents
give me a break. Criminals will always find a way around the law. It's the average law abiding citizen that will bear the brunt of this idiotic law.
You sound like a gun grabber...
This would guarantee the popularity of God’s Handgun - the 1911 in .45ACP
Do you know if there is currently available a revolver using the .45 ACP round?
Smith&Wesson makes the model 625, which is in .45ACP.
Not really. It's about controlling access to firearms by citizens. If CA cared about violent criminals, they wouldn't be entertaining the thought of dumping about half the current prison population on the streets to meet budgetary and "constitutional" requirements.
CA cities are full of criminal illegal aliens. The "wanted" lists for violent crime are dominated by them. The politicians are afraid to press the issue...lest they lose the vote of the illegal aliens who keep them in office.
A little emery cloth and a file will have that microstamp surface polished in a heartbeat. Even stupid criminals will take the time to do that much. It is pointless...except to line the pockets of the "technology" inventor by political fiat. Placing an impossible technical hurdle in front of the firearms manufacturers to reduce the available supply of firearms is the objective.
Thanks, I knew of the Smith, but their pistols are expensive. I think I’ll go snoop around Rossi and Taurus models.
Maybe someone will accidentally “clean” their handgun with a rat-tail file....
Bad premise. Most legal firearms owners are only interested in a reliable, accurate, affordable firearm. All the other foo foo forced on the manufacturers to satisfy the politicians does absolutely nothing for the safety or functionality of the products. It only raises prices and creates scarcity.
The criminals don't care. They steal their weapons or get them wrapped up in cross border drug shipments. All the NICS check stuff at the gun store is just an impediment to the legal buyer. Even if a bad guy attempts a purchase, the ATF rarely prosecutes. They are only interested in harassing gun shop owners to put them out of business.
I believe American ingenuity and the free market can provide a solution that is at-least somewhat satisfying to the desires to track shootings back to specific guns AND the desire for reliable, accurate, and affordable firearms.
It's not on the bullets, it's on the cases or the spent primers. Doesn't do squat if the criminal uses a revolver or any firearm that doesn't eject the cases, or if the criminal collects his brass, or as others have pointed out, file off the micro-stamping device, generally the tip of the firing pin or the inside of the chamber.
As far as it being patented, patented things don't have to actually work reliably or be affordable, they just have to be feasible, and be demonstrated to work, once.
It's also not a serial number, on the cases or the bullets, but rather from the gun, although it wouldn't be the serial number of the gun, but traceable to it.
Oh well, I actually have no sympathy for Californians that will become the unarmed victims when the sh*& hits the fan. They voted politicians like Brown, Boxer, Pelosi into office and are always quick to lecture us Neanderthals about the folly of our ways. When LA is being looted and burnt to the ground I'd be curious to know if 10 round mags and "permitted models only" laws were really a good idea.
There is already a means of matching. If you retrieve the firearm and a fired bullet from an actual victim, the ballistic match will pair them. If you get the criminal's fingerprint off that firearm, you have a starting point. If all you have is something that identifies the original purchaser, you don't have any idea who actually fired the weapon. As previously noted, most criminals use a stolen gun. You'll be fingering the victim of a weapon theft, not the actual abuser of the use of a firearm to commit a crime.
Besides this being patently UNCONSTITUTIONAL, didn’t these dimwits ever consider REVOLVERS?
It's very simple really. Find every type of ammo, for every type of weapon in America and destroy it. Then have government run stores sell government serialized ammo for only government certified weapons after the weapon holder submits to government controlled certification matching you to that serial number. Piece of cake. Might want to close off the borders first as well.......
I ALWAYS use a 12 gauge side by side to kill with an take my hulls with me so this law is ineffective from the gitgo !!!
Besides with the cost of reloading components these days who leaves brass laying around after they shoot a gomer ?
Shoot the FRickin strawman first. One shot, one kill. This bullshit isn’t about crime, it’s about disarming the citizenry.
I shot IDPA with a wheelgun pro who could run with the best, unless it was a course that required 7 rounds in a row. OTOH, if you’re going into that kind of battle, there’s nothin wrong with two wheelguns :o)
I’m more concerned about the surprise confrontation that would require more than 30 rounds.
Then again, why the hell would I want to be in California?
While your at it get me a flying car made out of ice cream that will last ten years and only cost $50.00.
You do realize the impossible is what you are DREAMING about don’t you?
Yes this is more BS from polidiots who have no clue......or my vote if the do pass such crap in my state.
Stay Safe folks !!!!
Still, I’d rather confront three bangers with a raft of stolen new California autos than one old fart who only owns a security six.
Agree. .... there is a reason why IDPA an 3 Gun competition is popular
I watch wheelgun sorts WIN those matches often
Stay Safe !!!
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