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The TownHalls; This is a spiritual problem
Believersingrace.com ^ | 08/13/09 | Bill Randles

Posted on 08/11/2009 9:12:20 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

The Townhalls: this is spiritual By Bill Randles

The recent shockwaves of public frustration, coming out of townhall meetings across the nation , have stunned both the Media and elected representatives from both parties.It was becoming increasingly obvious that they don’t know what’s going on. The real problem is more than mere politics, and goes much deeper than the health care issue. The real problem is spiritual.

This is a conflict between the traditional American vision , of personal responsibility, private property, productivity, individualism, and self government, as opposed to the new vision, ”change”- ie. collectivism, cradle to grave Government “compassion”, equality of outcomes, leadership by an elite anointed class, and yes The “S” word, (Socialism).

One could almost liken it to a clash of two Revolutions, The American Revolution and it’s Judeo Christian ideals, and the failed promise of the Atheistic French Revolution, of ”liberty, Equlity, brotherhood”.

The frustration and rage of the once “silent majority”, (one eloquent protestor told Arlen Spector that he had “awakened a sleeping giant) , comes out of the realization by many that after more than forty years, the constant undermining of our institutions, the incremental implementation of Socialistic agenda, we are losing our merit based , productive, responsibility oriented Society. The vicious and disconnected reactions by our Political and Media elites, ranging from ignoring them outright, to impugning their motives and accusing them of being a phony grassroots movement,”astroturfers” underscores the suspicion of many, that not only do they “not get it”, but that they refuse to “get it “ in any way.

The impasse is almost unbreachable, because this is the clash of two different worlds. How could the play by the rules, pay your own way, responsible and productive America, even began to understand the world of the Alinsky Community organizers, Acorn and other agitators, union bosses, pay to playing pols?

This problem cannot be reduced to simplistics such as Republican versus Democrats. In fact the Republican party itself is largely silent, and perhaps as many of those expressing outrage are democrats as well as Republicans or Independants. The Republican party sold it’s soul to the leftist consensus long ago, and most conservatives know this.

By saying it is a Spiritual problem I am not saying that this is about Christians versus the Lions. Of course not all who object to the collectivist coup of our nation, are Christians. People of many Faiths and even some of no faith are feeling the ‘sinking feeling’ that we have been losing this country, at an accelerating pace.

It is spiritual on the level that those who drink deeply of the original vision of the Founders, of a self Governing Nation, based upon personal responsibility, merit, respect for private property, and individualism , are partaking of a Christian vision of life. Render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. God is God, not government.

Those who have mainlined on the vision of the Left, of an all sufficient Government , cradle to grave care, collectivism, larger than life, personality cult leadership, equality of all outcomes, etc., whatever faith they may profess, are imbibing an Atheistic vision of ‘the good’. There is no God, but Government. How can there be any reconciliation between the two?

Ours is a torn nation, a house divided cannot stand. I conclude with this simple promise from the God of the Bible,

“If My people who are called by my name will humble themselves and bow down to me , then will I hear from heaven and heal the Land”(2 Chronicles 7:14)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nation; obama; townhalls
Something to think and pray about.
1 posted on 08/11/2009 9:12:21 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Screw equality. Vive liberte...!


2 posted on 08/11/2009 9:15:45 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: pastorbillrandles

**It is spiritual on the level that those who drink deeply of the original vision of the Founders, of a self Governing Nation, based upon personal responsibility, merit, respect for private property, and individualism , are partaking of a Christian vision of life. Render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. God is God, not government.**

Absolutely!


3 posted on 08/11/2009 9:17:40 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

>>> By saying it is a Spiritual problem I am not saying that this is about Christians versus the Lions.

Then what is His name?

I agree with your assessment... but you cannot have it both ways.


4 posted on 08/11/2009 9:18:11 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: pastorbillrandles
Excellant post.

You stated "that not only do they “not get it”, but that they refuse to “get it “ in any way.

That is the reason these town hall meetings are getting bigger every day. It is their refusal to "get it" that is making every one so mad, frustrated and more empowered to press on.

Prayer changes things.

5 posted on 08/11/2009 9:21:54 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: pastorbillrandles
This fight...probably the fight of our lives, ultimnately for our liberty and very life, is but an extension of that spiritual war.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12

As time goes on, and the heat turns up on Health Care, and as more and more Americans simply refuse to be quiet and accept what the Obama administration and the DNC propose, the fact of the coupled physical and spiritual nature of it becomes more evident. The lies and deception of the Obama administration and the DNC leadership are becoming more and more apparent...and as they do, they also become more and more shrill.

Here is what Obama said to the American people at a contrived "town hall" in New Hampshire on Tuesday, August 11, 2009.

"I have not said that I was a single payer supporter.” Pres. Barack Hussein Obama, Aug 11, 2009

Compare that to what he said while campaigning for the Senate to his union supporters, and was cheered while so doing:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we’ve got to take back the White House, we’ve got to take back the Senate, and we’ve got to take back the House.” - Barack Hussein Obama, June 30, 2003 to AFL-CIO

I guess he thinks he can say whatever he wants at any given time and it will be truth. That is the definition of a pathological liar. He and those around him and supporting him are drunk with power and control, and this issue is rapidly sizing up to be a "Bridge too Far," for their marxist ideology and radical health care agenda.

Their pronouncements and actions are like every other repressive, tin-horn regime in history. Label the opposition with exactly what they themselves are doing and then use the government controlled and co-opted press to spread that lie, and then use their thugs to try and enforce it and stamp out dissent.

Well, not any more in this country. The health care debate has blown the lid off and it's time to carry it through on this issue and every other similiar issue (like Cap & Trade, FOCA, etc.) that these wanna-be tyrants propose.

President Barack Hussein Obama said on August 7, 2009, that he expected the people who caused the financial and health care mess to be quiet, stand out of the way, and let it be fixed. Well, Mr. President, if you do not want the people who created this mess standing in the way of fixing it, then you, Mr. Obama...and Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, et all had best step out of the way yourselves. Because you not only helped engineer the problems that ensured the fiasco...you are now intent on making it immeasurably worse in your drive towards abject marxism.

In order to hide this, and in an effort to push their monstrosity Health Care, the liberal-left and Obama seem intent on turning the frustration and angst of the American people over his policies into something more akin to Iran over this issue, with their own Basij thugs sent out to silence us, and Obama supporters called on by the Whitehouse to report any dissent.

MY LETTER TO THE WHITEHOUSE AND OBAMA ABOUT FREE SPEECH

Despite all this, the American people are downloading the Dem Health Care Plan HERE and elsewhere and educating themselves.

They are also reading the cited quotes of the main architect of the plan and Chief Advisor to Obama on Health Care HERE and elsewhere, and seeing the context of the plan from the designer of it.

So, when Sarah Palin callis it evil, they know for themselves that she speaks the truth.

So they continue to take their feelings...and their own documentation...to their reps and gett in their faces about it.


EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND THE OBAMA CARE FINAL SOLUTION

(Must Read - Shocking quotes by Emanuel)


OBAMA CARE BY THE NUMBERS


THE STORM UNLEASHED ON AMERICA

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

A 4TH OF JULY TEA PARTY SPEECH

...and on the lighter side, take your mind off the Obamanation for a few minutes and enjoy some beautiful Western US scenery slideshows.

JEFF HEAD'S WESTERN US SCENERY SLIDE SHOWS

6 posted on 08/11/2009 9:24:22 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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The “S” word, (Socialism).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is really the “M” word: MARXISM!

And,..Yes,...It is a spiritual battle between those who worship God and those who break the First Commandment by worshiping the golden calf of atheistic Marxism.

Obama and his fellow travelers are riding a train. Each socialist program is merely a station stop. The final destination is and **always** has been: COMMUNISM!

7 posted on 08/11/2009 9:29:21 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I will pray incessantly for America, and, will keep my ammunition stocked and ready. Believing in Jesus doesn’t mean you have to give Him up because our government prefers we worship them instead (Don’t tread on me)


8 posted on 08/11/2009 9:30:22 PM PDT by SaintDismas
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Believing in Jesus doesn’t mean you have to give Him up because our government prefers we worship them instead

Worth repeating.

9 posted on 08/11/2009 9:35:32 PM PDT by uptoolate (2010: When Americans Pass The 'No Congressman Left Behind Act')
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To: pastorbillrandles

This is about Slavery: Who owns your body and the right to do with it as they please?

You?

Or a bureaucrat?

SLAVERY by bureaucrat will be fought. Permanently.


10 posted on 08/11/2009 9:36:11 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Maybe it’s women against men.


11 posted on 08/11/2009 9:45:57 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism)
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To: pastorbillrandles

How many Christians are Obama’s czars? How many anti-Christians are Obama’s czars? How many Christians are in the House of Representatives? (Maybe it should be: How many PRACTICING Christians are in the House of Representative?) When Obama said that America was no longer a Christian nation, he could have been referring to the non-Christian leadership of this nation?


12 posted on 08/11/2009 9:49:02 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: pastorbillrandles

marked and saved for my campaign. Thanks!


13 posted on 08/11/2009 11:32:28 PM PDT by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Amen!


14 posted on 08/12/2009 12:01:49 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Safrguns

I’m not trying to have it both ways- I am merely saying that not all of those who are objecting to the collectivist takeover of this country are christians, but it is the christian heritage of individualism, responsibility, the work ethic, and rule by law, that they see being usurped. I hope that makes sense.


15 posted on 08/12/2009 12:30:16 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

>>> I am merely saying that not all of those who are objecting to the collectivist takeover of this country are christians, but it is the christian heritage of individualism, responsibility, the work ethic, and rule by law, that they see being usurped.

Makes sense... I just wanted to get the name straight.


16 posted on 08/12/2009 2:12:20 PM PDT by Safrguns
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