"Bring out yer dead."
Posted on 08/10/2009 11:34:27 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Democratic politicians and the MSM consider it a given that concerns about the "end-of-life counseling" provision in Section 1233 of a House-drafted version of health care legislation are but the unfounded product of right-wing fear mongering.
But Charles Lane of the Washington Post, certainly no right-winger, has taken a careful look at Section 1233 and finds that he too is concerned.
Lane argues that the "consultations" provided for in Section 1233, while not mandatory, are not "purely voluntary" either as the Democrats have claimed. Thus, he writes "Section 1233 lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive to insist."
As Lane notes, common sense tells us that Section 1233 would place senior citizens in a situation where they will feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign. The federal government should not be in the business of skewing end-of-life counseling, and thus end-of-life decisions. Lane concludes:
Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life's end would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and fact. Yes, it's good to have a doctor's perspective but section 1233 goes beyond facilitating it to preferring it. Indeed, the measure would have an interested party -- the government -- recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills, hospice care, and their asscoiated providers, professions and organizations. You don't have to be a right-wing wacko to question that.
As it happens, I have a living will and a durable power of attorney for health care. I'm glad I do. I drew them up based on publicly available medical information, in consultation with my family and a lawyer. No authority figure got paid by federal bean-counters to influence me. I have a hunch I'm not the only one who would rather do it that way.
What say you?
WHY YOU SELFISH GREEDY OLD FOOL! HOW DARE YOU CONTINUE TO SUCK THE LIFESBLOOD FROM YOUR CHILDREN AND SOCIETY! YOU OLD VAMPIRE. YOU’VE HAD YOUR TIME — SIGN THE DNR!!! SIGN IT! SIGN IT YOU GREEDY GREEDY PIG!
It is murder to intentionally shorten the life of any human. Underneath the fine words of "love" and "compassion" lurks the vanity and malice of a criminal mind.
I’ll be reporting you and the WaPo to flag@whitehouse.gov for thoughtcrime shortly....
"He's right, Daddy! Think of us and your grandchildren! Not only are you sucking their life's blood to support you on Obamacare, but you're burning up my their inheritance that could pay for my vacation home their educations! JUST SIGN THE DAMNED PAPER!"
I would tell them one thing. At the end of my life, if you pass the government health bill, I will come back and haunt you for the rest of your life.
Liberals talk endlessly about the cost of care for the elderly in the final year of their life.
The reason it costs so much is because people with insurance and Medicare are charged inflated prices to make up for those who don’t pay - illegals and those who don’t have insurance.
If everyone was pulling their own weight the cost of health care would be lower. We wouldn’t have to subsidize the deadbeats.
Same problem with beginning of life issues. Some premie baby’s have very expensive starts to life.
Will this panel decide who gets it and which child does not?
Soylent Green “Going Home”
Has Ted Kennedy had his end of life counseling session?
He should lead by example and refuse anymore costly drugs, procedures etc.
Practice what you preach Teddy...........
Yes.
As far as they are concerned you are the problem and it is your duty to fall on your own sword and remove yourself prematurely from this life so as to benefit the overall good of the society.
Afterall, you are retired or close to retirement, and because of your age and increasing health problems, you are or soon will be a net taker (rather than provider) of healthcare service funds. It is your patriotic duty to not become a burden upon this already overextended and more productive and valuable younger generation.
The Obamacare Team will be happy to help you plan your swift and easy exit from this life. Please schedule your appointment at your earliest opportunity to avoid the rush. If you cannot or will not, an appointment will be made for you. Thank you, and godspeed on your new journey. - the Obamacare Team
“As Lane notes, common sense tells us that Section 1233 would place senior citizens in a situation where they will feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign.”
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Trumpet 1233 far and wide to all elderly.
Has Ted Kennedy had his end of life counseling session?
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There are a number of other dim bulbs, that don’t pass muster...time for your counseling sessions...Only your EOL will be 2010.
LIKE IT NOW?? You MORONS...
If everyone was pulling their own weight the cost of health care would be lower. We wouldn’t have to subsidize the deadbersats.
And if government got out of the health care business cost would plummet. 50% of the cost of health care is due to government mandates on service, reporting and care.
Now the fox demands that he should own the henhouse.
What he does not point out is that the first counseling is at age 65 and every five year,,MORE OFTEN IF THE HEALTH HAS A PROBLEM.
In other words, if you are sick they will counsel you so very much that you cannot avoid just throwing in the towel.
Has Ted Kennedy had his end of life counseling session?
You must understand, this plan is not for the rulers. They have their own plan and it is magnificent, just as they are magnificent. This plan is for the goernment’s slaves, you and me.
They have their own plan and it is magnificent, just as they are magnificent. This plan is for the government’s slaves, you and me.
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Oh yeah, I forgot for a moment. Let’ me prostrate myself again, face down on the ground before the one(s)..
In other words, if you are sick they will counsel you so very much that you cannot avoid just throwing in the towel.
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And God help you if you don’t have someone around to help you withstand that sort of barrage.
Probably! The NIH in the UK won’t allow any treatment for a baby born before the 26th week. I know several kids who were born before that who are fine strong people now.
The oath that every doctor takes says:
FIRST DO NO HARM..........
How does this square with NObamacare??
I see a mass resignation of medical people in the near future.
Might as well report me as well. Oh never mind I’ll do it to save you time.
(sarcasm alert)
Just like with abortion, the Democrats intend to make end-of-life for our elderly “safe, legal, and rare”.
End of life counseling is the pin-headed democrat/socialist/communist solution to ending the medicare/medicaid budget deficit.
I wonder how many of these Obamacare supporters in congress would be so willing to vote for this reprehensible program if they knew that a senior, denied life-saving healthcare, was going to take one of them (that voted for it) on his final journey.
Elections have consequences. This is what happens when you elect a COMMUNIST to the White House. It’s only a matter of time before “Red Square” replaces the South Lawn.
Same problem with beginning of life issues. Some premie baby’s have very expensive starts to life.
Will this panel decide who gets it and which child does not?
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Zeke Emanuel already answered that. He said 21 year old is more valuable to society because we have already spent money on education, etc. and they can contribute. Babies, toddlers, elderly, disables, they aren’t as important. These people are sick. They don’t deserve to walk the streets of America.
You grossly underestimate our military officers, LEO’s and the American people. Officers are sworn to uphold the Constitution, not obey some pinko Commander in Chief.
I am 65, if any government ghoul thinks my life should end I invite him to step up and see whose life ends first, mine or his. I figure if I put him down first I deserve to live.
I will even offer him a choice of weapons.
On second thought I WON’T offer him a choice of weapons, anybody who presumes to tell me when my life should end can damned well take his chances.
I know, thinking of the older people I know and how good they are. Most if told they are bankrupting their grandchildren will willingly die.
I know, thinking of the older people I know and how good they are. Most if told they are bankrupting their grandchildren will willingly die.
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This is just EVIL...and so we labor on against this tide.
I say the government needs to keep their faces and laws out of my health care. Do away with all government health care and we would see lower prices. Also if we would dump illegals from the ER we would see a drop in the cost of ER visits.
Mass murder is genocide. That is what is being proposed. How many old folks will fall for these suggestions. . . lots. It's not just the old folks, but the unborn and disabled that will be targeted by this bill.
This is heart breaking. I’m 66 and very fearful. My husband and I have worked our whole life for our family and friends. This bill is frightening.
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