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Giving Up Meat To Save The Planet?
Right Wing News ^ | August 10, 2009 | Dennis T. Avery

Posted on 08/10/2009 10:55:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One of the persistent, shallow global food myths is that the world could feed more people if we gave up eating meat. Ezra Klein wrote another misguided column about this--"The Meat of the Problem"--in the Washington Post of July 29. Klein cites as his authority a naive "study" by the kids at Carnegie-Mellon University.

Klein asserts, "It is more energy efficient to grow grain and feed it to people than it is to grow grain and turn it into feed that we give to calves until they become adults that we then slaughter to feed to people."

No, Mr. Klein, it isn't. Either your kids haven't done their homework, or they deliberately set out to promote vegetarian diets.

Point One: Our biggest source of livestock feed is . . . (drum-roll) . . . grass! Humans can't get nourishment from it, but huge tracts of the earth's land are too dry, too steep or too rocky for grain. We let cows and calves harvest sparse crops of grass from massive tracts of the American Great Plains, Canadian Prairie Provinces, the Australian Outback, New Zealand, the sandy steppes of Hungary, and huge tracts of Khazakstan--to name but a few grasslands.

Point Two: If these grassy areas aren't grazed by animals, the dry grass will ultimately be struck by lightning, ignite, and release fiery clouds of CO2!

Point Three: Livestock happily and constructively eat lots of other stuff that humans can't or won't consume, including millions of tons of peanut hulls, citrus pulp, molasses, feather meal, wheat bran, meat and bone meal from slaughter plants, corn gluten meal, and on down a long list. Without livestock, you have no more food for humans, but a huge waste disposal problem.(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biodiesel; carbonfootprint; climatechange; energy; environment; ethanol; food; globalwarming
Plus, it's delicious!
1 posted on 08/10/2009 10:55:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, please stop eating meat. I’d like the price of Prime Rib Eye steaks to come down.

I mean, to combat global warming of course.

Mmmm, global warming.


2 posted on 08/10/2009 10:57:26 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Klein asserts, "It is more energy efficient to grow grain and feed it to people than it is to grow grain and turn it into feed that we give to calves until they become adults that we then slaughter to feed to people."

What about the idiocy of growing grain to fuel cars?

3 posted on 08/10/2009 10:58:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Want to be really “efficient”?

Reduce mankind’s numbers by introducing the public to tasty Soylent Green.


4 posted on 08/10/2009 10:59:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vegetables are what food eats!


5 posted on 08/10/2009 11:00:38 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Never pick a fight with an old man. He'll kill you.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A child needs red meat protein when growing up, not bullsh-t.


6 posted on 08/10/2009 11:01:27 AM PDT by Waco (Libs exhale too much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Regarding meat, it is hard to carry genetic modification too far because the animal will die. They want you to eat more genetically modified vegetables. Disgusting, pass the juicy steak.


7 posted on 08/10/2009 11:04:27 AM PDT by momincombatboots (The last experience of the sinner is the horrible enslavement of the freedom he desired. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: CholeraJoe

Seriously, was this “study” given ANY critical thought at all at CMU? Do they realize that they’re seriously proposing that people raise and eat hay?


8 posted on 08/10/2009 11:04:52 AM PDT by jyoders19
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They'll get my ribs when they pull them from my warm barbecue sauce sticky dead fingers.


9 posted on 08/10/2009 11:05:25 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Or we could ditch this whole global warming thing and stop diverting corn and sugar crops to ethanol production.


10 posted on 08/10/2009 11:08:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Giving Up Meat To Save The Planet?

So, are wild carnivores going veggie?

11 posted on 08/10/2009 11:08:24 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Giving Up Meat To Save The Planet?

Only if it means disposing of the 'meatheads'....

12 posted on 08/10/2009 11:08:41 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My doc just told me I should try the NEANDERTHIN eating plan....and I am.....as I was always craving protein...NO LONGER craving it....looking better than ever....always full. Grains can make humans SICK (and fat)!


13 posted on 08/10/2009 11:09:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Tell everyone, DEMS are the RACISTS...they created the KKK and Jim Crow Laws...to start)
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To: Artemis Webb

14 posted on 08/10/2009 11:09:58 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: a fool in paradise
Mmmmm soylent:


15 posted on 08/10/2009 11:11:13 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: goodnesswins
My doc just told me I should try the NEANDERTHIN eating plan....and I am...

Yeah, but where can I get fresh dinosaur or mastodon meat in my neighborhood?

I'll settle for pterodactyl.

16 posted on 08/10/2009 11:16:08 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Humans are omnivores, we eat anything, if it can be digested we will have a go at it. To say that we will eat only plant resources goes against basic human nature. Forcing people to act against the way we are wired doesn’t work. This is kin to the same lame thinking as radical communism.


17 posted on 08/10/2009 11:18:25 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: Artemis Webb
Did those ribs flip over your foot powered car?


18 posted on 08/10/2009 11:19:21 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama's medical nationalization bill reads like Atlas Shrugged with doctors instead of railroads.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vegetarians are much more easier to mold and bend to a government’s whims. They are more dull and less rebellious.

There is a reason some of the brutal regimes in the past outlawed meat eating for the peons.


19 posted on 08/10/2009 11:28:58 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup. my tagline.


20 posted on 08/10/2009 11:28:58 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: rom

Actually, you’ve hit on EXACTLY what the agenda is for the elitists.

They don’t like the idea that everyone can eat meat every day.

They want to be even more “privileged” than they are by denying the peons some of the “luxuries” that only the elites should enjoy.


21 posted on 08/10/2009 11:31:12 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ding dong.....
Libs have been screaming for years about the population explosion? Now they want to limit the population of meat producing animals to increase the number of veggie/grain eating people?

All liberalism consistently wants is CONTROL over everyone. Truly, liberalism is a mental disease.

22 posted on 08/10/2009 11:33:14 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
[ Giving Up Meat To Save The Planet? ]

Rumor has it that Barney Frank flew in a tirade upon hearing about this..
And Richard Simmons put on a frankfurter costume..

23 posted on 08/10/2009 11:33:32 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: a fool in paradise

He covers it! Read the article.
“If you really want to help people, stop wasting corn on ethanol and soybean oil in biodiesel. We’ll need to double the world’s output of food and feed in the next 40 years just to meet the food needs of 9 billion people and their pets. Biofuels are a trivial waste of good land.”


24 posted on 08/10/2009 11:35:58 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm gluten intolerant. No wheat, rye or barley allowed. Eating grain is poison. I can eat the meat of critters that have consumed the grain I can't eat.
25 posted on 08/10/2009 11:44:07 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Back in the 1980s, my [Catholic] college held a 24 hour fast to benefit Oxfam, a charity that tries to alleviate global hunger. I remember back then being informed by that program that we should eat less meat, because crop land should be used instead to feed humans. I was very idealistic about this and tried to take it in good faith. Then, I got to law school and learned about real property, and the concept of the “highest and best use” of the land. There are some places where grazing really is the highest and best use. So, three-cheers for grass-fed cattle, and the steaks they become.

Also, a friend of mine took the message so seriously that she became a vegetarian. Until she became anemic. She bowed to necessity and started eating meat again, occasionally.

The best reason for eating meat came from my second grade teacher: we are omnivores. Our bodies can use meat for nourishment. And we’re built like omnivores. Our eyes point forward like a predator, for example, not out to either side like prey.

If we don’t get mad at bears for being omnivores, I don’t see why we should condemn the human species, either. Many would say we are no higher than bears (though I disagree), but certainly we shouldn’t be any lower.

Time for lunch!


26 posted on 08/10/2009 11:52:49 AM PDT by married21
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To: Artemis Webb

Beer & wine at the same setting?, I’ll have to try that.
Last time I had water in glasses like that it was half chlorine.


27 posted on 08/10/2009 12:00:15 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I like veggies so much, I eat them in preprocessed concentrated form: beef, pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, venison, fish....

Eat preprocessed, concentrated veggies every meal...it's the deliciously simple way to get balanced protein, PLUS other essential nutrients every day!

(This message brought to you by PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals>)

28 posted on 08/10/2009 12:06:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, I'm sick of this chit!

If God hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

29 posted on 08/10/2009 12:07:37 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet



30 posted on 08/10/2009 12:08:54 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree and think 25 to life would be appropriate.)
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To: skimbell

“I didn’t claw my way to the top of the food chain just to eat vegetables.”

Rudy’s BBQ - Texas!


31 posted on 08/10/2009 12:11:10 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: skimbell

Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.


32 posted on 08/10/2009 12:11:21 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love salmon. Getting a decent hamburger in NYC is difficult. The average one will make you sick as often as not. I don’t think I’ll ever eat a Rueben again, after the one that was on special at Lex and E90.


33 posted on 08/10/2009 12:11:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: Cold Heart

Honestly I just can’t imagine any wine with barbecue. It just seems unnatural.


34 posted on 08/10/2009 12:36:21 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
in your face vegefascists!

35 posted on 08/10/2009 1:10:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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To: dog breath
"omnivores"

Some years ago I was eating Thanksgiving dinner at a friend's house when the topic turned to vegetarianism (don't ask me how). My friends step-son, eighteen years old, started talking, and he had heard that humans only started eating meat about ten thousand years ago because of a huge famine. There was not enough non-meat available, so humans had to resort to eating meat he stated.

I just about spit the turkey out of my mouth when I heard that. I asked him where he had obtained that bit of info. He didn't know for sure. I told him humans had probably been eating meat for millions of years. He didn't look like he wanted to believe me, but if he believed that nonsense about humans only eating meat for the last ten thousand years, then he had probably heard a lot of vegeatarian propagand i.e. lies.

36 posted on 08/10/2009 1:15:30 PM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If you actually want to reduce your carbon footprint through food, one of the best ways would be to grow your own vegetables, eat the vegetables, feed the inedible parts of the plants to insects, worms, slugs, etc., and then eat the insects, worms and slugs.

An efficient way to do this on a larger scale would be to eat a larger animal which feeds on plant matter which is inedible to humans. For example, grass-fed cattle. It also helps if the animal is tastier than insects, worms, slugs, etc. If you want to harvest food with the least impact on land resources, the most efficient and carbon friendly diet would be high in seafood. 2/3 of the Earth's surface is covered in water and the oceans are teeming with food.
37 posted on 08/10/2009 1:41:30 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: a fool in paradise
Klein asserts, "It is more energy efficient to grow grain and feed it to people than it is to grow grain and turn it into feed

Why do we grow so much corn in the first place? Because the government subsidizes corn production and places tariffs on foreign alternatives.

That's why there's so much darn corn syrup in everything. That's why we burn corn for fuel. That's why we feed so much corn to cattle.
38 posted on 08/10/2009 1:46:50 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: dog breath
Humans are omnivores, we eat anything, if it can be digested we will have a go at it.

Exactly! That's why the food police never has to warn Americans about the dangers of overeating eucalyptus leaves.
39 posted on 08/10/2009 1:49:51 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: Myrddin

My wife has Celiac also. It’s the pits for her.


40 posted on 08/10/2009 3:43:02 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: rom
Yes, please stop eating meat. I’d like the price of Prime Rib Eye steaks to come down.

No kidding, the price of beef has gone through the roof... Doesn't matter cause I'd pay $20/lb. if it came to it.

41 posted on 08/10/2009 3:45:39 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think liberals should not only stop eating meat but they should also quit eating plants. After all, plants have feelings too.


42 posted on 08/10/2009 4:49:26 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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