Medical Murder: Why Obamacare Could Result in the Early Deaths of Millions of Baby Boomers

WhistleBlower Magazine (WorldNetDaily) ^ | August 2009 | Richard Poe

[Richard Poe]

Imagine lying in some government-run hospital, hospice or nursing home many years from now. Imagine languishing unattended for days in soiled sheets, suffering from hunger and thirst, covered with bed sores, your flesh aboil with untreated infections. Imagine living in fear of resentful, underpaid health aides who take out their anger on you and abuse you. And imagine spending your final moments on earth in the company of a government health care worker with a syringe, who injects you with a lethal cocktail. President Obama’s health proposals have the potential to turn this nightmare into a reality for millions of Americans. Especially vulnerable are the 80 million baby boomers born between 1946 and 1964. That generation has been targeted for a program of age-based medical rationing such as our country has never before experienced. [...] Cutting costs by letting people die President Obama has promised huge cuts in medical spending -- up to $700 billion, or 30 percent, annually. If we fail to make such cuts, he says, we will face financial Armageddon. “[T]he cost of our health care is a threat to our economy,” Obama told the American Medical Association in Chicago on June 15. “It is a ticking time bomb for the federal budget.” A 30-percent annual cut is going to take a big bite out of somebody’s health care. The only question is whose.

[ak267]

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[spectre]

There won't be nursing homes, hospice or even senior subsidized housing as we know it today.

The devils in the details, America. READ THE BILL!

[plangent]

Here’s an interesting factoid from Dr. Zeke Emanuel posted earlier on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2287233/posts

Ezekiel Emmanuel MD, Rahm Emmanuel’s brother, is “Special Advisor for Health Policy” to the Office of Management and Budget ( Peter Orszag), is described by the Huffington Post article as engaged in a very important mission: redesigning the US health care system.

[Fester Chugabrew]

The left is about to chime in with words like, “fearmongering.” Well, it isn’t as if freedom-loving Americans have nothing to fear here. The premise that government ought to be involved with creating jobs and making health decisions is false. Government has shown itself to be a detriment to both.

[babble-on]

Wait a minute, now. I may have to rethink my opposition...

[wally_bert]

The only good thing would be my old dim stooge neighbors would suffer and die for the very communism they believe in.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

It sort of stands to reason that if your mind is right politically, then maybe you get an upgrade from 4th or 5th class health care to maybe 2nd class care. Certainly not to the level of our dear, esteemed leaders, but then again certainly better than evil far right wing extremists.

[combat_boots]

Thanks

[SandRat]

The return of Dr. Josef Mengele, nicknamed The Angel Of Death?

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Early Deaths of Millions of Baby Boomers

Many of us have long said that government health care was designed to be the solution to the Social Security funding problem.

Who could forget Democrat Richard Lamm's "the seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way." (paraphrasing).

[leilani]

Wait a minute, now. I may have to rethink my opposition...

It's tempting - very tempting, isn't it?

We pull the plug and the same generation that gave us boomers like Barack Obama, Al Franken, and Barry Manilow just disappears? Just like that? Adios?

Hmmmmmm. I'm thinking.....I'm thinking.

lol!

[wally_bert]

That is that possibility.. Considering how whining and childish they both are, nothing but the best will suit them. Won’t they be surprised when they are told they are second best at best. So much for the people’s struggle in their case.

[ronnie raygun]

The elderly are the first to go, the baby boomers will be refused early detection services until it is to late, setting the stage for the underclass and the illegals who will have first priority over everyone else. They will be given control with the help of our communist leaders. Do you remember a time when someone would come up with a lunatic conspiracy theory like this and you would laugh out loud and call him crazy? Not so anymore, uh!

[TheWriterTX]

All folks need to do is look at the Remmelick Report from the Netherlands in the early 1990s. It showed that one out of 5 "mercy killings" were done there ILLEGALLY, with a number of patients being mercifully "killed" against their wishes.

If anyone wants to complain that this is a "right wing" disinformation campaign, they are welcome to look at the source. Heck, the UNITED NATIONS was involved in exposing this!

Logan's Run, people....Logan's Run.

Don't think it won't come here? Guess again. Britian's been dangling the "passive euthansia" carrot infront of their country since 2000. Google "euthanasia" and "England" and start reading the UK papers!

How about those with AIDS? Promoting Euthanasia Amongst AIDS patients

Laws surrounding euthanizing those with AIDS

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/

[Deagle]

Probably just a way to reduce the Social Security payments... Let the elderly go a bit early and save money.

Actually, I don’t think that the elderly should be hogging all the Medicare money anyway - What is another 2-3 years anyway... living in pain or with limited movement, limited eyesight, limited hearing, etc... Wow, am I a pessimist or what... and I am one of those that need those benefits.

I’m, 64 and would gladly give up a few years for the hope of the younger generation - including my son... I actually think that most of use elderly would do the same...

[leilani]

Who could forget Democrat Richard Lamm's "the seriously ill old people have a duty to die and get out of the way."

And now the very same media flacks, lib politicians & commentators who've been been trying so hard to convince us for years now that euthanasia is such a supremely noble act, that the only people who have a problem with it are a small minority of backward ignorant religious fanatics, and those who would euthanize others such as Jack Kervorkian & Michael Schiavo are nothing less than latter day saints are now trying to convince us that the very big-government hacks now trying to forcibly take over the medical industry & for whom they shill so unashamedly for would nonetheless never even dream now of doing such a newly re-designated horrible thing to us shouuld they gain control of the very same plug they've been saying for years should be yanked on anybody they say it should be yanked on.

Yeah, right. Make up your mind, media.

[Fee]

The American people created this nightmare. I know it is a tough thing to say. I remember in 1977 my poli sci class was discussing the demographic changes and the problems with social security and medicare/medicaid and how it would impact our national debt. A few brave politicians tried to offer reforms and the elderly becamed frightened by the facts and will vote with any opposition that will drown out rational arguments and fiscal math. Now our day of reckoning has come. 58 trillion worth of social security and medicare/medicaid obligations on the US taxpayer, plus another 14 trillion in obligations to stabilize the banks/insurance companies. The government in a depression forced to borrow from overseas to keep this system going when it is already dead. The only hope left for the US government to repay the overseas financiers and preserve future borrowing is to jettison the elderly as one of the means for national fiscal survival and preserving the US dollar as a reserve currency (with it US influence in the world). Behind the scenes cheering this effort is multi national corporations whose financial health is chained to the fortunes of the US dollar which is losing value every day. Freepers, welcome to 21st Century America where national bankruptcy caused by past foolishness will first claim the elderly and the disable. Next it will be the standard of living of middle America leaving only the poor and rich. No matter who is POTUS, the economic/financial fate of America has been sealed 30 years ago when WE as a people refused to face up to the looming financial diseaster. My only advice to freepers is by now you should own a gun, stockpile ammo, food, water, cash and precious metals for the chaos to come. You should also have in the back of your mind which country you may want to emigrate to that is next to the US. My choice is Canada. The future is no longer about the survival of capitalism but the survival of my family and future generations from the fall of America.

[Brad's Gramma]

Heh. Rethink away.

They’ll have it PERFECTED when your turn comes...cuz come it will.

This is all SO unnecessary....my own Dad is in a nursing home right now...getting GREAT treatment...we won’t, nor will your generation. (assuming, of course, you’re not a boomer yourself).

[Richard Poe]

Plangent wrote:

Here’s an interesting factoid from Dr. Zeke Emanuel posted earlier on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2287233/posts

Ezekiel Emmanuel MD, Rahm Emmanuel’s brother, is “Special Advisor for Health Policy” to the Office of Management and Budget (Peter Orszag), is described by the Huffington Post article as engaged in a very important mission: redesigning the US health care system.

Thanks, Plangent.

I'm not allowed to post the entire 7,000 words of my Whistleblower article here, but below is a small excerpt from it which touches on Dr. Emmanuel and his age-weighted rationing policies:

QUOTE FROM WHISTLEBLOWER ARTICLE FOLLOWS:

In a Jan. 31 article in the British medical journal Lancet, Emmanuel advised steering health dollars toward the young and fit, specifically those between the ages of 15 and 40, while reducing health spending for the elderly.

Weirdly, Emmanuel -- along with his co-authors Govind Persad and Alan Wertheimer -- made a special point of arguing that age-weighted medical rationing does not violate the rules of political correctness. They wrote:

"“Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination … Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.”

In other words, if we decided to let the elderly die because we think of them in “stereotypical” terms – say, if we thought of them as useless old dodderers – we would be guilty of “ageism.” However, if we let them die for a “good” reason – for example, because we decide that they have already had their chance at life, and now it’s time to give someone else a chance – then letting them die is perfectly OK.

In Emanuel’s view, letting old people die is not the problem. The problem is finding the right words to justify it.

END QUOTE FROM WHISTLEBLOWER ARTICLE

[tbw2]

Obamacare will cost a lot in bureaucracy that will more than consume what it theoretically saves on Social Security. ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes

[al baby]

I’m, 64 and would gladly give up a few years for the hope of the younger generation - including my son... I actually think that most of use elderly would do the same...

64 is not elderly wt hell is wrong with you

[Lorianne]

Wouldn’t that be poetic justice for the those Baby Boomers, the majority of whom voted for ultra-liberal policies for decades?

Even if you’re against Obama’s policies, you’ve got to admit there is some delicious irony here.

[Uncle Chip]

I’m, 64 and would gladly give up a few years for the hope of the younger generation - including my son... I actually think that most of use elderly would do the same...

Well then, if that's your attitude, what are you waiting for????

[RobbyS]

What makesyou sure that the medical care you give up with go to your sin (or grandkids). That is unless they work for the government, because that is where the bulk of the new “health” jobs are likely to go.

[RobbyS]

What makesyou sure that the medical care you give up with go to your sin (or grandkids). That is unless they work for the government, because that is where the bulk of the new “health” jobs are likely to go.

[junta]

The “Human Kill-Off” cult swarms about the global warming debate, any thread on a left leaning site and the ghouls come out with their phrophecies of “overpopulation” and “overshoot.”

[Deagle]

A bit crude don’t you think? I’m not dead yet, although haven’t been to a Doctor in over 40 years so my time may be coming up sooner than I think...

You are just a bit too crude though for a FreeRepublic member...are you sure you belong here...?

[Deagle]

Heh, sorry, have never worked for the government and never will, thank goodness! I can only hope that medical care will improve for my kids - what else am I to hope for...and yes, my sin will be the death of me...heh.

[FlingWingFlyer]

That’s what Obamacare is really all about. “Saving” the DemocRATS’ failed Social Security program. The “New Deal” is about to turn into the “Raw Deal.”

[spectre]

Yesterday, in Obama's radio address to the Nation he said the following:

"Let me explain what reform will mean for you. And let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that reform will promote euthanasia, cut Medicaid or bring about a government takeover of health care. That's simply not true," Obama said in his Saturday address.

Notice he cleverly used the word MEDICAID and not MEDICARE. He's slicker than...well, he's slick.

sw

[DJ Frisat]

"Actually, I don’t think that the elderly should be hogging all the Medicare money anyway..."

Good Lord. These are the very people that Medicare was DESIGNED for.

You're right -- you DON'T think!

[Brad's Gramma]

Even if you’re against Obama’s policies, you’ve got to admit there is some delicious irony here.

Wow. Unreal.

[Deagle]

I should clarify that I did work for the Military - US Air Force for 8 years, so I take back my earlier statement...

[Brad's Gramma]

Yes. Uncle Chip belongs here.

[Richard Poe]

Deagle writes:

I’m 64 and would gladly give up a few years for the hope of the younger generation - including my son.

Sir, I think most parents would give up their lives for their children.

I'm not sure, though, what this has to do with Obamacare. Obamacare is about government bureaucrats deciding who lives and who dies.

Once you have conceded life-and-death power to the government, your children will have to live with the consequences of your decision, long after you are dead. They will live in fear. The government will have the right to end their lives whenever it pleases, for whatever reason it chooses.

Is that what you want for your children?

[Deagle]

No...You’re wrong... I do NOT think that the elderly should be getting most of the money but of course they do. I think that many of the elderly are hypochondriacs and get much more attention than they deserve. Of course there are those that really do need the help and I agree that they should but there is much waste here and it needs to be corrected.

[Deagle]

No, of course not... I was looking at the financial side of health care (not Obama care). It would be a great thing if the elderly sacrificed a bit to help the rest of society.

ObamaCare is a joke! I am not in any way supporting socialist medicine but am pointing to a fact - elderly require more care... If they gave up a bit of this money to support others, it would help enormously since they consume about 40% of the costs.

I and probably many others would be happy to forgo many expenses if it would help overall medical care for all...

[silverleaf]

From Zeke Emmanuel- a new model to ration care, removing your doctor's emotion and judgement and replacing it with govt guidelines...

If you are under 15 or over 40, move to the back of the room. If you have minimal "social value", take the door to the left.

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/06/electing-god/

[Deagle]

Heh...Well, he does seem an ornery cuss...

[Kackikat]

It’s interesting that half of boomers are participating in getting their own demise, but other half realize the SCAM and are protesting...just like in old days of Vietnam War.

R&Z are terrible human beings.

[Kackikat]

There was a book going around in early 1980s called “The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow”...by Constance Cumby.

Think of Jackson’s non profit, and what is going on today, it was about the same thing DR.J.M. and the return of that horrible holocaust.

At least now I understand why she used the word “Rainbow” in her title of the book..that had always escaped me.

[Uncle Chip]

So then are you standing by this post of yours or reconsidering it:

"Probably just a way to reduce the Social Security payments... Let the elderly go a bit early and save money. Actually, I don’t think that the elderly should be hogging all the Medicare money anyway - What is another 2-3 years anyway... living in pain or with limited movement, limited eyesight, limited hearing, etc... Wow, am I a pessimist or what... and I am one of those that need those benefits."

Life is either valuable or its not. So then what is it? Make up your mind.

[Deagle]

Sorry...life is a choice and when you are drawing upon your kids and grand kids futures to prolong and ease yours, you are selfish. That is my philosophy - like it or not.

I can understand yours but I do think it is a selfish attitude that continues to prevail today. If we were to think like the 50’s, your ideas would cause revolts in the younger generation for sure...

I still think that the elderly should make way for the young in both body and soul (and monetarily), yep, I’m sure that I do not agree with you and visa versa...

[Brad's Gramma]

Heh...Well, he does seem an ornery cuss...

No. He does not. I don't want my father's generation to suffer, mine, yours, my grandkids...nor future generations to suffer due to this.

And the fact that so many people have, here on FR of all places....expressed their wishes OTHERwise....is disgusting to me.

So. With that I leave you for now....

[Deagle]

Well, I differ with you a bit... I would rather me and my older generation suffer a bit more to grant a better chance for the future generation. Talking mostly about health care, but it is true for most everything...

If that is not your goal, you are backward looking. I understand your feelings regarding Uncle Chip (sounds like a close relative) but you are just letting feelings get in the way of logic.

That’s alright though... I feel the same way about my Mother - who wouldn’t. He is an old cuss anyway though - heh... (Just like me).

[DJ Frisat]

"No...You’re wrong... I do NOT think that the elderly should be getting most of the money but of course they do."

It's an exercise in stupidity arguing with people on the internet, but in your case, I'm willing to make an exception.

You have now stated TWICE that a program that is designed primarily for people who are over 65 -- a group considered by most to be 'elderly' -- should not allocate the majority of the money spent to that group.

And then you impugn a large number of them by calling them hypochondriacs.

So just support Obamacare and let political hacks & bureaucrats sitting in a room, waiting for their next Gov't holiday, decide whether they need the treatment, or not. Tell you what -- we'll decide whether or not YOU are faking it.

I'd rather that decision be made by my physician and myself.

[Deagle]

Heh...Okay... Lots of rhetoric there... Enjoy.

[nutmeg]

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[Richard Poe]

Deagle wrote:

I was looking at the financial side of health care (not Obama care). ObamaCare is a joke! I am not in any way supporting socialist medicine but am pointing to a fact - elderly require more care. If they gave up a bit of this money to support others, it would help enormously since they consume about 40% of the costs.

Sir, let's get our terminology straight. You are talking about medical rationing. It doesn't matter whether you call it Obamacare, Hillarycare or Rockefellercare. Medical rationing is medical rationing.

You are saying that we spend too much money on health care for the elderly (and, by implication, on health care for the disabled and the gravely ill at any age).

You are saying that it would be more fair to give that money to the young and fit.

One problem with your argument is that the young and fit don't need the money -- at least not for health care. They hardly need any medical care at all.

According to a 2006 study by the Department of Health and Human Services, five percent of the U.S. population accounts for nearly 50 percent of health care spending in America. Who are those five percent? Most are people over 65 years of age with serious, chronic illnesses.

By contrast, the study notes, half of the U.S. population “spends little or nothing on health care… with annual medical spending below $664 per person.” These, of course, are mostly healthy young people – people without serious, chronic illnesses.

Obviously, those healthy young people who spend less than $664 per person per year on health care do not need to kill off Grandma and Grandpa in order to insure that they get enough health care dollars for themselves. They already have enough.

So what exactly are you selling? Why are you so eager to convince us that Grandma and Grandpa need to die?