Posted on 08/06/2009 7:42:23 AM PDT by SmithL
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent her chamber home for the summer recess with a list of talking points to respond to constituents' questions about pending health care legislation.
But those traditionally sleepy town hall meetings have become rowdy shout-fests across the nation, including Northern California, with opponents hanging members in effigy and mocking them with Nazi and devil imagery in an effort to derail discussions of health care.
They're organized in part by conservative think tanks like FreedomWorks, which offers tips on how to disrupt a meeting ("Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early," says one) and helped in some cases by anti-tax "Tea Party" sympathizers.
More than 500 people packed a Napa town hall hosted this week by Rep. Mike Thompson, D-St. Helena, some shouting down panelists by yelling "This is America!" and "What's wrong with profit?"
Three Aug. 15 East Bay town halls scheduled by Rep. Pete Stark, D-Fremont, one of the health care legislation co-authors, are the targets of one Tea Party group calling for a "counterprotest."
A spokesman for Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C., said this week he wouldn't be holding any town halls after his office received a death threat from a caller who said Miller "could lose his life over this."
The Democratic National Committee fought back Wednesday with an online ad calling the protesters "mobs" embittered by Republican losses last fall. A Republican National Committee spokesman said Democrats "have reduced the concerns and opinions of millions of Americans to 'manufactured' and have labeled them as 'angry extremists.' "
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
I thought we were angry, inbred, Brooks Bros. wearing Astroturf rent-a-mobs?
How did we get downgraded to merely “rowdy”?
Washington best realize that people are scared and when they get over being scared, they will get mad. After getting mad they will take their country back, one way or another. If they aren’t careful, it could get real ugly.
Kathy Castor. A wild eyed Democrat Socialist from Tampa has cancelled her town hall. She is however attending a Black Activist meeting in YBOR CITY tonite at 6pm. Tis is a run down area where whites are afraid to go. She will be protected from her capitalist constituants by Acorn thugs. Obviously the local media will be there for propaganda photo ops.
She’ll need to eat the toad, whole to get rid of those new wrinkles.
Obama’s Healthcare Prescription
Written by Steven J. DuBord
Thursday, 06 August 2009 04:00
HealthCarePresident Barack Obama has a prescription to fix what ails America’s current healthcare system. He presented his essential ideas during ABC’s Prescription for America TV special on June 24.
When he was asked why government would need to get involved in healthcare reform when places in the private sector like the Mayo Clinic are already providing quality, affordable medical care, his answer tipped his hand.
“Unfortunately government, whether you like it or not, is going to already be involved,” the president declared. “We pay for Medicare, we pay for Medicaid. There are a whole host of rules, both at the state and federal level, governing how health care is administered.” Obama went on to say that he thinks serious healthcare reform will “figure out how do we take that involvement not to completely replace what we have but to build on what works and stop doing what doesn’t work.”
Portraying Government as the Answer
Therein President Obama revealed his core belief about the solution to America’s healthcare problems: he believes that government’s current involvement in our healthcare system is good, so more government involvement would only make things better. How so, we might ask? Are the Medicare and Medicaid programs good examples of what works? How about the medical care provided to veterans? How about government involvement in other sectors of the economy such as delivering the mail? Has government really demonstrated that it can do a better job than the private sector at providing healthcare or anything else?
Obama himself said during the Prescription for America special that “Medicare and Medicaid are the single biggest drivers of the federal deficit and the federal debt — by a huge margin. And at the pace at which they’re going up … Medicare and Medicaid are going to be broke and … will consume all of the federal budget.” According to the president, Medicare and Medicaid may win the competition with Social Security in the race to insolvency. So much for government intervention being part of what works.
Indeed, President Obama’s plan to reform healthcare in America deserves to be put in one of those revealing hospital gowns and fully examined before Congress tries to fill his prescription. Does his push for bigger government really provide the answers he claims?
President’s Prescription Deciphered
President Obama has repeated the same basic sound bites whenever he has discussed healthcare reform. He used just about all of them during his July 15 remarks in the Rose Garden while surrounded by members of the American Nurses Association. References to this speech, a July 1 town hall meeting in Annandale, Virginia, and the Prescription for America special encapsulate what Obama says he wants in healthcare reform legislation. But if the president does get the legislation he wants, would it deliver what he’s promising?
Long article but worth reading.
Link:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/health-care/1435
Man up, Brad....Man up.
Is Nancy Pelosi related to the Runaway Bride from a few years ago???
Listen, and understand.
Hussein of Mombasa is out there. He can’t be bargained with. He can’t be reasoned with. He doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are dead.
Zero, Pelosi, Reid, Congress, and the Administration’s response to the American people that oppose DeathCare proves that this bill has nothing to do with our health care. It’s about their seizing power over the American people. None of these people care about your health. Their tactics prove their intentions! Their arrogance and their use of Nazi-like tactics show they want to subjugate the American people, IMO.
The following essay, reprinted with permission, is from a 1987 book entitled, "Our Ageless Constitution."
"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant - they have been cheated; asleep - they have been surprised; divided - the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ...the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it.... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free." James Madison America's Constitution is the means by which knowledgeable and free people, capable of self-government, can bind and control their elected representatives in government. In order to remain free, the Founders said, the people themselves must clearly understand the ideas and principles upon which their Constitutional government is based. Through such understanding, they will be able to prevent those in power from eroding their Constitutional protections. The Founders established schools and seminaries for the distinct purpose of instilling in youth the lessons of history and the ideas of liberty. And, in their day, they were successful. Tocqueville, eminent French jurist, traveled America and in his 1830's work, DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA, wrote:
On the frontier, he noted that "...no sort of comparison can be drawn between the pioneer and the dwelling that shelters him.... He wears the dress and speaks the language of the cities; he is acquainted with the past, curious about the future, and ready for argument about the present.... I do not think that so much intellectual activity exists in the most enlightened and populous districts of France' " He continued, "It cannot be doubted that in the United States the instruction of the people powerfully contributes to the support of the democratic republic; and such must always be the case...where the instruction which enlightens the understanding is not separated from the moral education.." Possessing a clear understanding of the failure of previous civilizations to achieve and sustain freedom for individuals, our forefathers discovered some timeless truths about human nature, the struggle for individual liberty, the human tendency toward abuse of power, and the means for curbing that tendency through Constitutional self-government. Jefferson's Bill For The More General Diffusion Of Knowledge For Virginia declared:
Education was not perceived by the Founders to be a mere process for teaching basic skills. It was much, much more. Education included the very process by which the people of America would understand and be able to preserve their liberty and secure their Creator-endowed rights. Understanding the nature and origin of their rights and the means of preserving them, the people would be capable of self government, for they would recognize any threats to liberty and "nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud." (Adams)
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I strongly recommend that a large contingent of white people 'cowboy up' and attend the meeting. Keep a couple of guards out by the vehicles. Helps if the guards are CCW carriers. Get in her face - don't let her hide in the 'hood.
Similar to the disruptive tactics Saul Alinsky taught the Obamessiah when he was a "community organizer", eh?
These worthless, lib-tard, Obama-lap-dog, pieces of human crap should be thankful that the anti-Obamacare folks are refraining from following in the footsteps of the president's OTHER favorite "organizer", one Mr. Bill Ayers...
Another (CodePink-O) example of double standards...
Ybor City is dangerous? I go there at night every time I visit my elderly aunt in Tampa to eat old-style Cuban food. We eat at the Columbia Restaurant. There are some little shops to look around in. I have never felt threatened. When did the black activists take over Ybor?
I’d make a “Deer in the Headlights” comment but she always looks that way.
It's people who use WORDS who are the REAL threat!
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It is an off street area. I would not suggest wandering around there at night. I was told by police not to go there after dark. My car was broken into when I parked three blocks away from the 7th ave. district. I also was accosted by a black guy who claimed to have a gun.
Wascally Wepublicans?
So we’re OK as long was we stay on the main drag part and park in the public garage? I don’t want to have to change my MO by going to the Columbia in St. Petersburg. But I don’t want to get myself and auntie mugged, either. What a shame. I have been going there for years.
The same bastards send protesters to normal peoples’ talks and throw pies, yell and scream, hold signs, and generally act like the maggothead liberals that they are.
Then they have the nerve to complain about this.
Just found out the meeting is sposored by Acorn and the SEIU union. Obama Commie organizations. We are smokin em out. I will be there and report.
Condi should have turned around and just slapped the sh!t out of that Code Pink B!tch!!!
Right. They need to be out of office and their bills DOA.
Be careful. And please report. Be sure and dress like a scruff so you fit in.
Will do. Should be interesting.
Botox has finally taken its toll.
Reminds me of the Man Hands episode on Seinfeld.
They cite FreedomWorks:
FreedomWorks says about themselves:
Founded in 1984, FreedomWorks is headquartered in Washington, DC, and has hundreds of thousands of grassroots volunteers nationwide. The organization is chaired by former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey and the President is Matt Kibbe.
But, as Rush says, let's "follow the money," since that will tell us a whole bunch about what goes on.
Looking at the "nonpartisan" Center for Responsive Politics site, Open Secrets, let's take a look at who has donated to that PAC:
Seems like they aren't doing the money thing in 2010:
Seems like they didn't do the money thing in 2008 either.
Oops, got a little activity in 2006:
I'm sure the insurance industry totally bought them off in 2006 with that $57.
But they get in the big bucks in 2004:
What? No contributions from the insurance industry??
Gotta be 2002, then:
FINALLY, they found that insurance company connection. And I'm sure $32.5K back in 2002 has kept FreedomWorks firmly in the pocket of the insurance industry from that point forward...
Well, darn it, no insurance company connection there.
So then I started to look at Bob MacGuffie, the evil organizer of all this Mayhem. Surely he's got some bad political connections.
First, let's look at his connection to FreedomWorks:
Two hits: we're getting somewhere.
Well, not really. If you do the search yourself, you will find that both hits were from left-wingers commenting on a page on the FreedomWorks site. (more on that later)
So Bob doesn't appear to be anywhere connected with FreedomWorks. Hmmm. Well, maybe he is a big Rethuglican donor (back to Open Secrets):
No donations from the 1992 cycle to present. But who is Marci MacGuffie? What's up with that???
Then, if not a major donor, he's got to be a high-powered insurance company lobbyist, right?
So no money connection...well, let's dig further:
Well, those two hits on the FreedomWorks website talked about MacGuffie sending out this memo on behalf of FreedomWorks, so I searched on some of the text and found out that ThinkProgress had this to say about him:
A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:…
Well, sure enough, there was such a memo. It can be found here (caution: from the Think Progress website), but it didn't say Tea Party Patriots, it said it was from Right Principles:
One other problem, it seems like this document was scanned on 6/4/2009.
It is located exactly two places online: at the Think Progress site and "teach the facts dot org," a lobby to get homosexuality taught in Montgomery County MD public schools. (Copies are now also on Scribd and docstoc, but that's besides the point)
So if it was scanned on 6/11, it must have been created a whole lot earlier than that. Curious that Think Progress didn't bother to post the data on their website prior to 7/31, isn't it?
But we've got two other groups available to us to check for those evil insurance company connections (Since we KNOW that Bob MacGuffie is somehow connected to the insurance lobby)
First, "Tea Party Patriots." I can tell the insurance connection already, can't you?
Minor problem: they're not a PAC. Checked on the IRS website and they're not a 527 either. No way to legally receive money then.
Then I checked with Right Principles. They are a PAC.
Check out their huge power (from the FEC website):
Oh, and just to close the loop, I tried to find out who donated to them and the FEC came back blank, meaning that nobody has donated $200 or more to them.
Big insurance company connection, right?
Well, what should I expect from Think Progress.
"Why let facts get in the way of your opinions?"
Enjoy!
I just spent the day with my husband’s liberal relatives yesterday. None of them voted for Obama (or they won’t admit it), they are frightened. I was surprised at how frightened and yet ignorant they were.
“Winston! How many fingers do you see?”
They are learning real fast. Now, people have to move as fast as they have been moving before they make changes that can’t be reversed.
these people are truly disgusting.
I think that people are finally waking up to what zero is trying to do.
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