Posted on 07/28/2009 6:39:56 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
F-35C meets US Navy's single-engine derision
By Stephen Trimble
When Lockheed Martin rolls out the F-35C on July 28, US Navy pilots will be one step closer to operating a single-engine fighter off a carrier deck. The DEW Line contributor Dave Majumdar explores this issue with an active F/A-18 pilot with more than 1,700 flying hours, who asked to remain anonymous.
If there is any doubt that the US Navy aviation community will accept a single-engine fighter, such as the F-35C, one pilot has a clear answer: That "decision has been made" already and, after all, "the Navy is not a democracy".
But concerns about the issue among rank-and-file pilots clearly linger.
The F/A-18 pilot says the Navy has worked hard to get to a point where only twin-engine jets were serving on the decks of carriers. In a single engine aircraft such as the Lockheed F-16, "a failure in any engine component that leads to a loss of thrust or flame-out equates to a quick attempt to try to troubleshoot the problem for a few seconds before making the decision to eject. In a Hornet, by contrast, even a total single engine failure can be ignored" if the situation warrants it, the pilot says.
Ideally, he adds, in the event of an engine failure, "flight can easily be maintained at a safe altitude while carrying out emergency procedures".
When the tri-service Joint Strike Fighter programme was formed in the late 1990s, however, one area in which the Navy was forced to accept compromise was propulsion.
"The only way to meet the requirement was with one engine", says Steve Weatherspoon, Lockheed Martin's Deputy Test Verification officer for the F-35 Integrated Test Force.
Weatherspoon says the Lockheed-led team has worked hard to increase the reliability of the sub-systems surrounding the engine.
For example, the F-35's Integrated Power Package (IPP) provides constant backup power to the control systems, he noted. Similar redundancies are found throughout the aircraft he said, minimizing risks. Weatherspoon also points out that the reliability of single engine fighters has significantly improved in recent years while mishap rates have gone down.
But Lockheed must overcome perceptions of propulsion-induced mishaps accumulated and passed down among naval aviators since World War II. While single engine aircraft have come a long way with regard to reliability, on many occasions the loss of an engine is due to external causes.
During his early years flying with the Navy (piloting the F-14 Tomcat), for instance, the F/A-18 pilot described one particular incident. While aerial refueling the cover for the aircraft's probe broke off on contact with the "basket" and was ingested into an engine -- totally destroying the machinery. "Flames shot out from that engine", he says.
During another incident, he says he had witnessed a Hornet from his air wing land on a carrier with one engine shut down while the other engine, severely damaged, brought the stricken aircraft home. Upon launch from one of the catapults earlier, the aircraft had ingested foreign object debris into both engines. Only the twin-engine configuration had saved the aircraft from disaster, he says.
While the Hornet pilot was less than enthusiastic about the single engine configuration, other facets of the F-35C intrigued him. This was especially true of jet's stealth and sensors.
The conclusion writes itself.
World War II never happened, either.
F-35 is a decent aircraft, F-22 will destroy it but still the F-35 will help against any other nation’s air force at a cheaper cost.
Ideally, he adds, in the event of an engine failure, "flight can easily be maintained at a safe altitude while carrying out emergency procedures".
Ping for later
Yes, well, I'll take the survivability of a multi-row radial over a turbine any day.
This is a bad idea. They can design in all the subsystem hardening they want, but when bad things happen (these are warplanes, after all), some aviator is going for a swim.
On the bright side, my ship was 3 for 3 during planeguard.
meant to say “carrier based” fighter aircraft/ :P
You beat me to it...
What F-22? I thought they’d just cut funding for it... or did they recant? Or is it in limbo? {Ah, the sweet insecurity of bureaucracy. [/sarc]}
F-8 Crusader and A-7 Corsair II had single P&W engines.
Actually, the Navy has been pretty consistent on this point, with regard to design choices. In WWII and into Korea, the Navy chose air-cooled radial engines due to their better ability to survive severe battle damage, compared with the liquid-cooled V-12s. More than a few of those big Pratt & Whitney engines brought fighter planes back from missions with entire cylinders shot away.
It sounds like they’re (media) going after the F35 now that the F22 got axed. Start writing articles explaining how the pilots don’t like the plane, etc. I’m not sure, it’s just something about the negative tone of the article.
I fail to see how any of this could be helped seeing as how the DOD set the requirements for the aircraft. I think they learned their lesson from the F22 and did their best to not change and revise their requirements during development.
The last line of the article does say alot though.
Personally, I tend to agree that if a pilot is over water and has an engine problem, it sure would be nice to have that second one spinning to give him/her a chance.
SZ
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Pictures of pilots that were shot down makes a good point. Well done.
I don’t know...I remember hearing the F-35 is a turd 2 years or so ago, long before this mess and while the Raptor was in full swing.
and I dont think Ted Williams...(see my other picture post) ever got shot down...he did hit 400 once though.
Many moons ago, a Navy A-7 crashed into a hotel near where I worked at the time. Yep, you guessed it: engine failure.
The same was said of the F-22 years ago. The technical difficulties of building complex flying machines doesn’t go away. It gets harder each time as you push the boundaries.
SZ
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How about instead of adding engines they remove the humans?
If the Navy pilots are too scared to fly ‘em, we can just put Marine pilots in ‘em.
Problem solved!
:)
(Ducking for cover)
Williams was pretty much shot down. He nursed his badly damaged plane back to base rather than risk ejection since the ejection seats of the era were very dangerous and often caused serious leg injuries.
You would think that the Navy would ask the Pilots their thoughts before that make a decision like that. Yeah, I know it’s all about the bucks.
“You would think that the Navy would ask the Pilots their thoughts before that make a decision like that.”
Your naivety is charming. Who do you think has been making decisions on the F-35 program for the last decade?
TC
So are you saying they approve killing the 22 and using single engine off Carriers.
Yes it’s true... the F22 is dead.
IMHO: vertical take off planes with one engine at sea is a really cool idea, but that idea is like liberalism: filled with nice ideas which work poorly or not at all in practice - usually some one dies needlessly.
Only the U.S. has F-22’s right?
yep.
The F-22N Sea Raptor should be the best choice for the U.S. Navy fighter fleet as a replacement of the lost F-14 Tomcat. Navalising the F-22 Raptor - Restoring America's Maritime Air Dominance
Good idea!
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