I would say that social conservatives are pulling the wagon that they built not riding in it.
Posted on 07/22/2009 11:17:14 AM PDT by VirginiaConstitutionalist
Libertarians decry defeat of concealed carry amendment
S. 845 would have protected constitutional rights
WASHINGTON -- America’s third largest party Wednesday criticized senators voting against an amendment establishing concealed carry reciprocity between all states and reminded them voters have a record of holding gun rights opponents accountable on Election Day.
“Libertarians are no-compromise defenders of your constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms,” said Donny Ferguson, Libertarian National Committee Communications Director. “I find it ironic that many of the senators who rightfully believe one state’s same-sex marriage licenses should be recognized in all states are now not willing to extend that same courtesy to concealed carry licenses.”
“Your rights of free speech, free worship and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure do not end at the state line. Neither does your right to keep and bear arms without government infringement,” said Ferguson.
S. 845 follows Congress’ congressional authority to enforce "full faith and credit" so states recognize the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings" of every other state (Article IV). The bill protects a citizen’s right to carry when traveling to another state if the traveler has “a valid permit or if, under their state of residence ... are entitled to do so."
It failed narrowly, 58-39, two votes short of the 60 needed to adopt the amendment under Senate rules.
“We look forward to holding those 39 senators accountable for once again treating America’s gun owners as second-class citizens,” said Ferguson. “America’s 90 million gun owners vote, and you can bet Libertarian candidates will be discussing their unabashed support of the Second Amendment.”
Voting against the amendment were Democrats Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Roland Burris (D-IL), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Ben Cardin (D-MD), Thomas Carper (D-DE), Christopher Dodd (D-CT), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Al Franken (D-MN), Kristen Gillibrand (D-NY), Tom Harkin (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Edward Kaufman (D-DE), John Kerry (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Carl Levin (D-MI), McCaskill (D-MO), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Patty Murray (D-WA), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Jack Reed (D-RI), Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Arlen Specter (D-PA), Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) Independents Joe Lieberman (ID-CT) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Republicans Richard Lugar (R-IN) and George Voinovich (R-OH).
For more information on this issue, or to arrange an interview with the Libertarian Party, please call Director of Communications Donny Ferguson at 703-200-3669 or 202-333-0008, x. 225, or email Donny.Ferguson@lp.org.
The Libertarian Party is America's third-largest political party, founded in 1971 as an alternative to the two main political parties. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party by visiting http://www.LP.org. The Libertarian Party proudly stands for smaller government, lower taxes and more freedom.
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Somebody should tell the Libertarians that elections have consequences.
The fact that supporters of the Thune amendment agreed by unamimous consent that 60 votes were needed to pass it shows the whole thing was nothing but a charade staged for the benefit of the voting public. No one ever seriously intended to pass this proposal!
Conservatives are just as guilty. Libertarian is both an ideology and a political party. FisCons and Libertarians get along just fine (Milton Friedman comes to mind) it’s the SoCons that need to get on board.
Well, at least our two Republican senators for TX got it right.
I’m surprised the vote was that close. Given that 2 Republicans voted against it that means 20 Dems voted for it.
They went on to console themselves with drugs and prostitutes...just to alleviate the injustice of it all.
I spy a couple of RINO traitors.
Getting the three groups together is like herding cats.
Things would go much better if they would all get in the same political party and fight like cats and dogs in each and every primary. The when the primary was over all get behind the winner and push them over the finish line.
Instead it's more like little kids “If I don't get to be Captain I'm taking my ball and going home.”
If what I said was done a lot of RINOs would be gone, and a lot of D's also as the vote would not be split.
Then the Libertarians, SoCons and FisCons could do all the arm twisting between each other - while in office.
it’s time for these pot-smoking, hairy-legged women loving, show up at the picnic with empty hands and full appetites to get with the program!
Republicans and Democrats from Midwestern, Western, Border and Southern states who voted against the measure and should be held accountable next time they run:
Bingaman—N.M
Brown—Ohio
Harken—Iowa
Lugar (R)—Ind.
Lohl—Wisc.
McCaskill—Mo.
Nelson—Fla.
Rockefeller—W.Va.
Specter—Pa.
Vonovich—Ohio
I know I’ll get flamed for this statement but there are more similarities between Libtards and SoCons than Libertarians. They just differ on who’s morals the government should enforce and both are “emotionally” driven to have their agenda implemented.
Lugar (a booger) and Sonofavich (from Ohio)!
BTTT
No politician will ever be 100% in their supporter's eye's.
I can deal with a 70% solution - not happy and will work to find a better one - but I can deal with it.
Funny how if people take that Libertarian on line test - and are honest - they score over in the Libertarian section - but don't want to admit it.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.
FMCDH(BITS)
Lugar and Voinovich. Two major league RINOs.
Well, then you haven't heard much in your life, try watching MSNBC.
May God have mercy on your soul.
Really? Just because of a little sarcasm at the expense of the Libertarians?
I would say that social conservatives are pulling the wagon that they built not riding in it.
Well, if they would have called me they would have had to add Infidel to the list - and straight red.
Wouldn’t that come under seculars?
To some just about 99.99% of the people listed in post 19 are Infidels.
FisCons are generally Christian however they don’t let their belief system override their judgment on good government policy (facts not beliefs). A SoCon is someone who wishes to force their world view on others by way of government action, Constitution be damned. In their efforts they tend to push moderates away who would otherwise jump the fence in our favor. Often times their desires must be front and center in policy and with high intensity or they write off a candidate without considering other important issues (making them look out of touch).
I’m not saying they are not right in their worldview, just inconsistent with how our system of government works and generally unpalatable to the general voting public. Identity politics won the election for “The One” and fractured the GOP between two SoCons and I’m not sure what to call McCain (oldsters?). IMHO, Fred, aside from his less than stellar run, had the makings of a unifier of the party.
All that is nonsense, social conservatives are the conservative movement and they vote fiscally conservative and pro American, people that are only interested in the money and nothing else are few in the conservative movement and they are undependable.
The biggest difference besides the numbers of course is that social conservatives embrace the whole package and fiscal cons are actually at war with the bulk of conservatism and culture and American uniqueness, their interest is purely financial they will replace Americans with foreigners at a drop of the hat.
Most issues conservatives care about can be addressed through economic means.
There is nothing more American than strengthening our free market roots and deferring power back to the states.
Strict adherence to the constitution in all things can be difficult because it means individuals have to be accountable for their actions. Sometimes that means letting people do things very un-Christian like that we disagree with.
I take it that you support the libertarian party?
I find myself agreeing with Libertarian’s more and more these days, more so than Republicans. I’m sort of a social Libertarian fiscal / Conservative. I’m also a pro-life, pro-2A, Christian so I’m not really sure where I fit best. I do know I’m not a Republican (even though I normally vote that way).
So to a simple question, I say it’s complicated.
I’m basically an anti-Collectavist/anti-Clerical (in terms of influence on government) libertarian of the “leave me alone” variety, but reject the non-interventionism of many libertarians in favor of foreign policy realism. Our Constitution is NOT subject to the whims of the “Will of the People.”
I disagree w/ the Libertarians on this point. Congress shouldn’t be involved in this issue one way or the other, this should be a state issue entirely.
Well judging from past posts you seem as interested in libertarians as anything else related to politics and that would explain why you want to bring in more foreigners as you have posted. Here are the portions of the libertarian party that you can sell to the radical left but not to conservatives.
Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.
Libertarian Party Platform:
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
I’m of the “leave me alone” variety as well but I have a strange feeling our wishes will not be honored in the future.
Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner folks!
I suspect the Libertarians will argue with you on your points. Although I’m sure they would be all for amending the constitution in many of those areas. After all nothing is more constitutionally correct than an amendment.
Rather than explain how I’d address each point within the current limits of the constitution, I just say that most issues I side with Conservatives on. There are weaknesses in the constitution that should be shored up through amendment but then I wouldn’t want the Libtards in charge when it came time to vote.
They can't, those are all from the Libertarian Party Platform.
I'm not interested in ridiculous libertarian ideas like those listed in my post, my desire is to maintain America not turn it into the worlds playground and destroy it.
In the last 50 years we have adopted very close to much of the social aspects of the libertarian party platform and it has pretty much finished off our country.
The federal government has no authority in these matters.
You say all that like they are bad things.
Yes I do. They would have been a tough sale in America until the left made their great leap in power since the sixties but even now fighting them is conservatism’s strongest recruiting tool.
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