Posted on 07/16/2009 12:48:54 PM PDT by EveningStar
What radio and TV talk show hosts are pushing the Obama Birth Certificate issue?
I'm not aware of any.
Can someone explain to me why a Certificate of Live Birth stating his location of birth as Hawaii doesn’t prove he was born there?
I’m not a birther. I think the issue is ridiculous.
I read on FR that Lou Dobbs talked about it yesterday on his radio show and so did (beleive it or not) Lynn Samuels on her satellite show. I also read that Steve Malsberg was going to talk about it on his WOR radio program today.
Rush mentioned it only to say he really doesn’t care to go down that road. Don’t know why they all look at it that way.
ML/NJ
Are you lonely?
I’m not a birther. Check my previous posts. I’ve long contended that no respected commentator is pushing this.
I’m giving people a chance to prove me wrong.
Because they don't want to be viewed as crackpots? :)
Besides the fact that anyone can apply, or could have applied, for such a document without having been born in Hawaii, there is some question about the authenticity of the document that has been circulated on the internet. Add to this the fact that no government agency that requires a birth certificate will accept a jpeg image of one in place of a physical document certified by some government agency.
ML/NJ
“I’m not a birther. I think the issue is ridiculous.”
Ok, than why would someone spend reportedly hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep their BC sealed if they had nothing to hide, when they could provide one for $10?
Actually, Mark Levin, hardly a crackpot, has made reference to it from time to time. Doesn’t harp on it, just a snide little crack from time to time.
Brian Sussman, on KSFO San Francisco, brings it up all the time.
You’re focusing too much attention on where he was born, rather than the conditions of his birth.
You could obtain a Certicate of Live Birth for some time after the date of birth, from the State.
The more important fact is that his father was a British Subject, and conferred that status on any children.
Also, his mother was too young to confer status to him, as she was not of the age of majority for the statutory period.
I don’t care if he was born in Hawaii, he is not a “Natural Born Citizen”.
Also the chances are he was not a citizen after his mother moved to Indonesia, as it would have been changed in accordance to their laws.
He also once made a joke about how the similarity between Obama and God is that neither has a birth certificate.
You know, FR sure has filled up with a bunch of name callers. Just because you don’t agree with us on this subject doesn’t mean we are a bunch of crack pots. I don’t think the BC thing will go anywhere but I am willing to keep an eye on it. You don’t want to be a part why get involved in these threads? Good day to you.
In Barry’s day, a baby could be born in any country and registered for “certificate”.
We “birthers” want the vault copy which is much more detailed. Hawaii officials were very precise when they said they had his original and it was in order. They did not say and legally can’t say if obama is a citizen much less a natural born citizen.
Also, generally birthers want to see any other records that support obama’s elegibility for office.
Not sure why you care if you’re so sure there’s nothing to it, but here you go. Fresh fodder from Lou Dobbs:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2293858/posts
Bud Hedinger in Orlando was on it hard on Monday. 540 AM. I was shocked, but it was that Major that got his deployment revoked that got him going. Before that he wouldn’t touch it.
“I’m not a birther. I think the issue is ridiculous”
Yeah, the Army is know for giving wishy-washy orders for deployment then revoking them with the slightest provocation without retribution. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Oops there was retribution someone got fired. Nothing to see here. Move along.
A Certificate of Live Birth in the state of Hawaii is not a document that proves you were born in Hawaii.
It is a method for any other adult relative to go into the department of Health and record that a member of their family was born-—but only that.
It is not a record of your being born in the USA or in Hawaii.
Maya Soetero- Nobama’s half-sister was born in Indonesia, and SHE has a Certificate of Live Birth. She has admitted that she was born in Indonesia, I think in Jakarta. ( BTW- NObama has named his half-sister for a ‘commission’ and I don’t know know what that ‘commission’ is supposed to be all about.)
I am clueless as to why such a confusing document was EVER allowed in Hawaii in the first place, but I suspect that it’s origin goes back to before Hawaii was made a full-fledged state of the United States.
A COLB is NOT a birth certificate. What you and I have is a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Because the father’s name *may* be something *other* than Barack Obama Sr.
Because it just means a baby was born there on that date.”
I don’t think so.
It just states that a person who might have been a family member in Hawaii had a child, and the birth of that child is being recorded.
The place, time, doctor, attending nurses, hospital, etc, are not on a COLB.
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
“Because the father’s name *may* be something *other* than Barack Obama Sr”
I understand that and there may be other information on President Transparency’s BC, aside from proving that he is not a natural born citizen, that would be embarassing to him. I was trying to make the point to the poster, who said that this issue is ridiculous, that noone would spend a significant amount of money to keep their BC under wraps unless they had something to hide.
Crackpots generally have nothing to base their theories on. After witnessing all the abnormalities involved in this, especially the amount of money obama has spent fighting it, I have reached the belief there IS something to it. What that “it” is I don’t know yet, but it does deserve vigilance and investigation does it not?
As for Hannity and Rush etc. I guarantee you they have some operatives checking this out.
The fact is this person (obama) has been the most secretive and cloaked individual many of us have ever witnessed in the political spectrum. We know very little about him and we get all kinds of conflicting reports of his past from a wide variety of individuals. I as an investor in my country expect transparency NOT subterfuge.
I believe most people (even our own) so fear what the ramifications of an usurper mean that they stick their head in the sand.
Of course this could be about hiding something embarassing as well or he could just be a complete idiot that loves throwing money away on legal fees (sarc/)
Because the father’s name *may* be something *other* than Barack Obama Sr’
Since Stanley Ann was apparently heavily involved in the 60’s free love anti-establishment activities, there could be any name on that COLB.
NObama was born into a totally screwed up family, with Communist influences all around them and him.
His father hated the British for their control of Kenya. Those kinds of vitriol just don’t get softened by time.
Pal Bill Ayers and his spouse and Rev Wright were no help. Nobama married a woman who has “never been pround of America”.
These people trash at every opportunity the country that gave them an education, and more status than they are showing that they deserve.
The Maj. Cook win is the lead story on Mike Huckabee’s “Huckabee Report” radio feature this afternoon.
Doesn’t even mean they were born in Hawaii and it is not a true birth certificate. RE: the COLB, it’s been proven to be a poor fake in spite of what they libs contend. It’s maddening how they rely on something that is false when the true document can so easily be produced. And, BTW, Hawaii is on record as not certify the document(?) in question.
Instead, we have a President with almost no public paper trail.
No wonder Obama's critics have called him a Manuchurian Candidate, a Trojan Horse, and a stealth candidate! If he has nothing to hide, why on earth is he still refusing to come clean with the American people? Answer: he clearly has a lot to hide.
Hawaii has four different types of birth certificates:
Which one of these four is his certificate of live birth based on?
If it was 1 then he would have no problem with authorizing it's release.
2 and 3 get a little fishy. Since he claimed he was born in a hospital in Hawaii then neither of these types should exist. If either one does then he was probably not born in Hawaii, or the US, at all.
4 is right out. It would tell where he was born and that would most likely be outside of the US.
So, it's very possible for him to have a Hawaiian birth certificate and still not be a natural born citizen.
And here:
“Sean Hannity Pushes Obama ‘Not A Citizen By Birth Story’(Video)”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2293744/posts
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Obama
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EveningStar
Snicker and snort.
LoL! Snicker.
FCC?
They would by me. :)
I'd wager to say it would be the lead story every night and Congress would be having hearings.
I wouldn't bet against you on that.
“It is not a record of your being born in the USA or in Hawaii.”
“Maya Soetero- Nobama’s half-sister was born in Indonesia, and SHE has a Certificate of Live Birth. She has admitted that she was born in Indonesia, I think in Jakarta.”
Please cite an independent reference to Obama’s sister having a COLB stating she was born in Hawaii.
You keep saying that foreign-born babies are issued COLB’s which give Hawaii as place of birth, but you never bring forth any such persons. Until you do, all you have is an unsubstantiated allegation. If it were true, the birther lawyers would be moving heaven and earth to find such persons. Bringing them forward would impeach Obama’s COLB, by impeaching all the COLB’s.
"Unsubstantiated" - not by a long shot.
Here is the Hawaiian DOH, Janice Okubo, who likes to run her mouth:
“If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.”
If you look you'll be able to find the law for this at the Hawaiian DOH website.
From the wacky lib/rino site Washington Independent.
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to dummy one up like Obama had done...the short form COLB and pass it off as genuine Just replace the foreign born hometown with Honolulu and put a jpg image of it online.
Were, not are. The former Emperor of China had a COLB:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii
” Were, not are. The former Emperor of China had a COLB:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii";
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Sun Yat-Sen, the former president (not Emperor!) of China obtained by perjured testimony a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth from the Territory in 1904. (For those who like to parse words, it’s a “certificate”, not a “certification”.) What you are alleging is that the modern State of Hawaii, AS POLICY, has knowingly issued to foreign-born persons COLB’s (”certifications”, again for word-parsers) which give Hawaii as place of birth. Please bring forth such people.
Ok, former President. Sun Yat Sen is a glaring example of someone who was able to obtain a Hawaiian birth certificate as an adult. Seven years later, "The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era."
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
The program was in place when Obama was "born" and allowed for foreign born persons to be registered as born in the state, albeit by fraudulent means.
The computer generated Certification of Live Birth is a modern form and does not reflect amendments and critical birth information. The Certificate is the ultimate source document which can be corroborated with permission or court order. Hiding behind privacy laws and blocking the release of the source document while demanding proof which relies on that source document is absurd.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2139603/posts
The program was in place when Obama was "born" and allowed for foreign born persons to be registered as born in the state, albeit by fraudulent means.
So? The COLB Obama has posted on the web is not a certificate of Hawaiian birth. Hence I fail to see why the above is relevant.
The computer generated Certification of Live Birth is a modern form and does not reflect amendments and critical birth information.
Are you seriously suggesting that the modern state of Hawaii would allow someone to just willy-nilly amend the place of birth on record without corroborating evidence?
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