The socialist state legislators need more useful idiots...those stupid enough to work for2 bucks an hour and not rise up against the ruling elite...intelligent productive citizens do not qualify.
Posted on 07/10/2009 10:09:49 PM PDT by greatdefender
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – The poor are more likely to leave California than the rich, despite concerns that the state's relatively high income tax rate is driving away the wealthy, a new study shows.
The report released Friday by the Public Policy Institute of California determined the poorest 20 percent California residents are twice as likely to leave the state as the richest 20 percent.
Factors such as cheaper rent and home prices outside the Golden State seem to edge out income taxes when people of all incomes decide whether to stay or go, said institute researcher Jed Kolko, who authored the report.
"It does not look like rich people are leaving California in order to avoid income taxes," Kolko said.
Tax critics often claim the state's high cost of living and tax structure drive high-income earners out.
The study found that the rich — those in the top 20 percent of income earners — leave California at only a slightly higher rate than those who arrive. For those with incomes above $200,0000, the departure rate is only 1.09 households for every one household that arrives, the report said.
Meanwhile, 1.73 households with annual incomes of $22,000 or less depart California each year for every one out-of-state arrival.
States with no income tax such as Nevada, Texas and Washington are among the top five destinations for people of all incomes. Texas and Washington also export some of their wealthiest residents to California.
"States without income taxes are cheaper than California in other ways — housing costs, for example — that matter to all types of households, not only to those with the highest incomes," the report said.
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Finally - some good news!
The fact is few can afford to live in California.
The only ones making out like bandits are the ILLEGALS.
They know there won’t be any jobs. Wonder why our government doesn’t?
A dear relative once told me “there’s the coast, the beach and it is the only one there is and it’s beautiful! People will always want to own a piece of it.”
The rich pay the bulk of the taxes. Any loss hurts but this researcher is too stupid to realize that.
Not for non-Californians. Guess they’re not taking state IOUs for crack.
Just heard from one of my brothers trapped behind enemy lines in Cali. He’s having his 4th baby .... and they are getting out of California.
No doubt about it. Living three or four families to a single family dwelling, they can make it better here than anyone else. Besides, California is an easier mark than any other state when it comes to handouts. This researcher is looking in all the wrong places to blow smoke.
California actually purchases space on billboards to make sure illegal immigrants know where they can get services for free.
Yes they do... they advertise the welfare state... that’s why they’re going broke.
Note to Californian “refugees” : When you come to a new state, PLEASE CHECK YOUR LIBERAL BS VALUES AT THE BORDER. You f**ked up one state, leave your new state alone.
Also, learn how to drive and not like some carjacker on crack.
You really need to rethink your comments. About 47% of California voters vote for decent things. In fact the vast majority of districts vote Conservative. It’s just that the elevated population centers of San Francisco and Los Angeles skew things.
If we could get about five million Conservatives to move back into California, it would be making good moves that would ripple across the nation, instead of bad.
Failing that, if the Republican Party leadership out here didn’t resemble clones of John McCain, we’d get things back on track ourselves.
Conservatives in this state get no support from the RP whatsoever.
I dare say your state would look rather grim in five to ten years, if you had the same RP leadership there, we do here.
Did you ever see this column by Jill Stewart?
http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/election/clueless-california-voters-fai/
Amen to that. People from NJ are wreck places like NC. NY’ed and Massholes wrecked NH.
Utah, NM, AZ, ID, OR, WAS and other places have been or are being wrecked by locust from CA.
I wonder in the article if “the poor” are the formerly middle class who can no long afford the state or real poor. I doubt it is real poor because the welfare has not been cut off yet.
No I didn’t, but you can’t expect to have an aware populace, if the Democrats are going to by default be give the sole task of educating the adults in the state.
Every election comes around, the RP Leadership is almost mute, and the Democrats are left spreading false impressions about whether education gets enough funds or not.
If asked, I’d be surprised if the majority of the populace knew that K-12 got more than 7 or 8% the state budget. Further, I’d be surprised if they didn’t think the poor in the state get next to nothing, that illegal immigrants are the ones treated unfairly, and that the middle class whites in the state get unfair advantage.
I wonder if the poor are illegals and how many of them are returning to Mexico.
I don’t believe their numbers. About 20% of the top 200,000 earners have left the state.
There. Fixed.
Oh illegals are among the most protected classes of all. Everyone else will get IOUs but not the illegals. ;-)
We do it is called the Ohio Republican Party.
How many of those Cuban rafters are rich?? The idea that socialism is better for the poor is STUPID
I would love to see that on a billboard at the state border
does anyone believe any study conducted by these lefties ???
1.09 depart for every 1 household that arrives — the idiot author dismisses this as minor — that’s about 10% attrition rate of the rich ... who are paying the frickin bills in Kalifornia, and he thinks it’s minor!
Awnold seems to think it's the illegal Mexicans....
It would also help to put a similar billboard at the southern border: "PLEASE CHECK YOUR THIRD-WORLD CRAP CULTURE VALUES AT THE BORDER. You f**ked up one country, don't do the same to the one you just illegally broke in to ."
High unemployment - check
Astronomical cost of living - double check
Invaded by illegal aliens - triple check
The socialist state legislators need more useful idiots...those stupid enough to work for2 bucks an hour and not rise up against the ruling elite...intelligent productive citizens do not qualify.
It is obvious the machine is pandering to Illegal aliens as under the above listed conditions common sense says they should not be able to survive here...
Ha. Most of us got out because of liberal policies.
its the college students with their mush-filled skulls
who you need to worry about.
it’s not the illegal mexicans in CA it’s Bravo TV’s
Real Housewives of Orange County, silly
We're all socialists poor now!
Communist Workers’ Organisation
The internationalists
International Bureau for the Revolutionary Party
“Class Struggle Knows No Borders!”
Trades Unions work well as centres of resistance against the encroachments of capital. They fail partially from an injudicious use of their power. They fail generally from limiting themselves to a guerilla war against the effects of the existing system, instead of simultaneously trying to change it, instead of using their organised forces as a lever for the final emancipation of the working class that is to say the ultimate abolition of the wages system.
For Communism!
The fact that these and other struggles have taken place is without doubt encouraging. Nevertheless, by themselves they will at best remain isolated episodes of resistance, if they do not succeed in pushing back bourgeois ideologies and opening up a perspective which goes further. The task of revolutionaries consists of keeping the overall interest of the working class in mind, supporting its struggles, criticising limitations and seeking to strengthen the wage-workers’ consciousness of, and trust in, their own power.
For a stateless, classless society!!
http://www.ibrp.org/en/articles/2008-06-01/crisis-hunger-and-war-class-struggle-knows-no-borders
The Working Class are Paying for the Capitalist Crisis
Capitalism is a State-sponsored Ponzi Scheme
Of course the poor would be the first to leave...It’s freaking expensive to live here.
Why in hell would the rich give up near perfect year round weather to move to some sweaty humid mosquito bitten region or some windswept frigged place?
lol...
“Class Struggle Knows No Borders!”
Labor in the United States is also speaking out against the FTAA. The Longshore and Warehouse Union, well known for its progressive history and militant stands, has denounced the FTAA and is supporting the protests.
The AFL-CIO Executive Council passed a resolution at a recent meeting in Los Angeles that in part called “on our members to make their voices heard in Quebec City as part of the international actions, and join in partnership with Jobs With Justice and other allies in communities across the country.” Teamsters, steelworkers and other labor unionists have also passed resolutions and are planning to join the protests.
Truly, a new phase of the global class struggle is unfolding.
workers world party - a socialist party
www.workers.org
The Workers World Party (WWP) is a Marxist-Leninist sect that was founded in 1959 by Sam Marcy. Marcy and his followers were members of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) until 1958, when they split from SWP because, unlike that organization, they supported the presidential bid of the Progressive Party’s Henry A. Wallace in 1948, the 1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary, and the regime of Mao Zedong in China. WWP describes itself as a party that has, since its founding, “supported the struggles of all oppressed peoples [and] has recognized the right of nations to self-determination, including the nationally oppressed peoples inside the United States.” Viewing America as a nation infested with “racism” and “bigotry,” WWP further “supports affirmative action as absolutely necessary in the fight for equality.”
“We’re independent Marxists who respect the struggles for self-determination and progress of oppressed nations,” says WWP. “We try to understand their problems in a world dominated by Western imperialism. … Our goal is solidarity of all the workers and oppressed against this criminal imperialist system. … [W]e know that nothing is secure — not our jobs, our homes, our health care, our pensions, our civil rights and liberties — as long as capitalism exists. So our goal is a society run by the workers, not just as pawns in a capitalist political game but as collective owners of the social wealth.” To disseminate its message to the public, WWP publishes the online newsletter Workers World.
It is the driving force behind Ramsey Clark’s International Action Center and International ANSWER; WWP activists run both organizations. Several key ANSWER officials — including Brian Becker, Larry Holmes, Teresa Gutierrez, Sarah Sloan, and Sara Flounders — are WWP members.
Yes you are correct and how silly of me to think otherwise...;o)
Ironically, that's how California got to be the way it is -- refugees from the East and Midwest coming in and bringing their liberal crap with them. Take it from a fifth generation native. Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer are prime examples -- it drives me nuts that the world thinks of those two bozos as Californians; they were born, raised, and educated in the east, didn't move here until they were well into adulthood, and AT THAT moved to San Francisco, the only city that Easterners have considered half-way civilized since before the Gold Rush (L.A. remains to this day much too uncouth and uncultured for their notice).
California used to be a pretty conservative, Republican state, mostly rural agricultural (it still is mostly rural agricultural, in fact). I talk to a lot of people in my work, and easily 90 percent of them moved here from some other state or country. Almost all of the vegetarians, vegans, and uber-liberal "Californians" of my personal acquaintance were not born here; of the few who were, their parents were not. Some exceptions, of course, but not many.
My mother, on the other hand, was raised by native Californians .. who were raised by native Californians ... who were raised by native Californians ... all conservative Republicans, going way way back.
The very utmost of independent-minded, risk-taking people pioneered this state and made it cool. ONLY THEN did the Liberals come in and ruin it, beginning (in my memory) in the late 60s.
Hey, remember -- Free Republic was born here. It isn't a California native for nothing, you know!
Wait until a house that once use to sell for half a mil sells for 50 K and once nice neighborhoods are all barrios....then anyone will be able to afford to live here (except for select fenced enclaves occupied by the elite)...but by then who'd want to? Of course the tax rate will be around 90 percent for those acrually on the tax roles...well you can't have everything...
Ping to my post 37. Please.
So true...I've been here since '56 and I remember the California you speak of. It has now been reduced to an illegal Mexican working class and a ruling elite composed of transplanted hypocritical liberal snobs....(Press 1 for English and 2 for Spanish)
That'll mean we'll be able to buy a mansion on 10 acrea in Arkansas for 5k.
Everything is relative.
By the way, can we put up a sign on the California border saying out-of-staters, stay out!!...
We could have avoided freaks like the Michael Jackson family from Indiana, Pelosi, from Maryland, Charlie Manson from Ohio, Barbara Boxer from New York....The list is endless. lol
Therein lies the rub....those who have told me to vote with my feet don't realize that this scenario is coming to the state near you...it just takes a little time for the fallout to spread...
Some of these states you can get a home for 90k or so...Yet a new quality pickup truck goes for around 50K???
Something is wrong with this picture.
California's finest for sure!
Even the former Governor....What was his name?? Gay Davis?...From NY...
Of course....This is like some fantastic Superman movie gone bad, where a con-man Communist from Africa becomes president..
Nothing surprises me anymore.
I keep thinking it's all just a bad dream...'cause it is just too stupid to be waking reality....
roflol
...anti-American trade agreements with communist nations, that is.
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