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To: allmendream

==Nobody who was Pagan made the Catholic Church decide that “and HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever” meant that the Sun orbited the Earth.

It was the scientific establishment of Galileo’s day—not the theologians—who fought the hardest to get the Pope to preserve the pagan geocentric model of Aristotle/Ptolemy. Indeed, the top theologian of Galileo’s day thought his heliocentric model made “excellent good sense.” Unfortunately, the Catholic Church was swayed by the Aristotelian scientific establishment (who hated Galileo)....and the rest, as they say, is history.

As for the Bible verse you are alluding to, there is no reason to assume that it means that the Earth does not move. For instance, the foundation of a locomotive does not move, and yet it sets the course of the locomotive that moves on top of it.

Likewise, Psalm 16:8 says “I have set the LORD always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved.” Does that mean the those who set the LORD always before them never physically move? Please!


8 posted on 07/09/2009 7:25:54 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It was the Pope who decides Catholic doctrine.

It was based upon “And HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved forever” that the Pope decided, not anything scientific.

Are you trying to say the scientific “establishment” of the day was Pagan?

Much of the science being done was by clergy, they were not Pagan but men who held God foremost in their hearts, and the findings of science led most of them inexorably to the conclusion that the Earth orbits the Sun and that any untoward extrapolation of scripture trying to claim the Earth didn’t move was exactly that.


10 posted on 07/09/2009 7:36:18 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts
As for the Bible verse you are alluding to, there is no reason to assume that it means that the Earth does not move.

I guess this is another place where the Bible suddenly turns metaphorical rather than literal and you just have to "know" which is which?

11 posted on 07/09/2009 7:39:53 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GodGunsGuts

“It was the scientific establishment of Galileo’s day—not the theologians—who fought the hardest to get the Pope to preserve the pagan geocentric model of Aristotle/Ptolemy.”

—Can you give any examples of these scientists?


24 posted on 07/09/2009 10:26:15 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: GodGunsGuts
It was the scientific establishment of Galileo’s day—not the theologians—who fought the hardest to get the Pope to preserve the pagan geocentric model of Aristotle/Ptolemy. Indeed, the top theologian of Galileo’s day thought his heliocentric model made “excellent good sense.”

Who was this top theologian?

27 posted on 07/09/2009 10:44:15 PM PDT by ColdWater
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