Welcome home El Presidente for Life, I'm sending in the welcome wagon.
Posted on 07/05/2009 1:41:12 PM PDT by Ron C.
TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — Honduras' exiled president took off for home in a Venezuelan jet in a high-stakes attempt to return to power, even as the interim government told its military to turn away the plane. Zelaya won wide international support after his ouster a week ago by the military, but the only prominent escort aboard his plane was the U.N. General Assembly president after Latin American leaders backed out, citing security concerns. Honduras' civil aviation director said Zelaya's plane was being redirected to El Salvador.
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Unfortunately, this isn't the end of the matter by a long-shot.
Well, unfortunately, Honduras has some formidable enemies in this situation. I don’t know if they can really hold out in the long run. I hope they can, but they’re gonna have to get some support from somewhere, because standing completely on their own, I think they’re going to be overcome in the matter...
What happens if the grown up communists decide to support the government and cut out the petty dictators, ours included?
I wish...
Well, it appears to me that Honduras has a lot more to be concerned about than anyone here in the U.S. ... :-)
amazing. look at the OSA and UNis gang up on this country small democratic and defending its constitution.. can’t have that according to the scum UN.
Their attempt to preserve their constitution seems to fly in the face of everything our government is trying to accomplish. I think this nation is a very dangerous enemy.
Well, in general, I try to keep in mind that it’s *their Constitution* and it’s *their country* and not mine. I’ve got mine to be concerned about and not theirs.
While I wish them the best of luck and chances, I’m not taking “my fight” over here in this country to another country, in what I may be trying to do here. And I’m saying that, out of many concerns in this country.
I just see no good reason to get way too involved in Honduras, either for or against, and let them handle it their own way...
I think they acted okay, according to what they’ve got set up over there, and past that — they’re on their own....
Just like tiny Honduras, we will soon face the same circumstance right here 'in River City.'
They’re not on their own, we have a base there, unless you suppose they’ll mount another unseemly chopper bailout from the rooftops.
They’re on their own, in that it’s their country and not ours. Even though I would agree with the actions of Honduras, I don’t see any reason to get involved one way or the other..., military base or not...
Mind you, the military base was already there with the last guy who was just “kicked out”... so that’s not an issue in this situation...
Then we put you with all those who didn't support WWI and WWII, 'Ignore dictators elsewhere. It's none of our business.'
That isn't healthy for this nation - or it's reputation.
New World Order’s decision???
Welcome home El Presidente for Life, I'm sending in the welcome wagon.
Well, that might very well be true, but then again, that would be “politics” in our country — which is perfectly fine... I’m all for whatever political maneuvers that the GOP can pull off in this country as that *does* concern our particular country and its leadership.
I just don’t think that the U.S. should be getting involved in Honduras’ problem, even though I think that they were doing the right thing for their own country. Just let them defend it themselves... (even though they do have formidable enemies surrounding them).
We’re already involved, Star Traveler. You can’t unring the bell.
We’ll see plain as day where that involvement leads in the next several days, it appears.
Methinks they are all much too fearful - unworthy of their post.
In this case, we’ve got more than enough troubles for ourselves... LOL...
It’s time to concentrate on our own troubles and then, when we get those things taken care of, I would say that those other situations in the world will also take care of themselves, as other nations will see a stronger America...
Take care of America first, by taking care of things at home...
Things might have come out very different in Iraq if Honduras believed as you do. They were one of the few countries who stood at our side. But then, why should we show any type of appreciation or loyalty to those who stand with us. Let's just turn our backs on friends.
We need to do the same when the affirmative action’s illegal alien and usurper = PINO is scheduled returns from Moscow!!!
You said — We’re already involved, Star Traveler. You can’t unring the bell.
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Well, that’s where I would use that as political fodder against those leaders who engage us that way... and I would first take care of things at home, with our own leadership (or the lack thereof) before I’m going to take care of other countries’ leadership...
The Venezuelan Air Force has a relatively large and robust Air Force that includes 24 Sukhoi SU-30s, six c-130s, and 12 Aermacchi SF.260 attack aircraft. I suppose it's within the realm of possibility that Chavez could at some point stage an attack from Nicaragua.
There you go again. I guess you're an America Firster unless it involves Constitutionality and our own Presidency, lol.
Every time I start to get comfortable in thinking that you really aren't some sort of operative, you go and prove me wrong, again and again.
“...the only prominent escort aboard his plane was the U.N. General Assembly president after Latin American leaders backed out,”
Gotta love those big-talking “leaders,” who are all hat and no cattle, as we say in Texas.
They won’t do anything to the Hondurans unless BO threatens them with the loss of our foreign aid unless they align with the deposed Leftist. Your tax dollars at work....
I expect that within hours Honduras will be attacked by the thugs that surround them, and the US will do nothing whatsoever to stem the bloodshed - repaying Honduras’ staunch support of and friendship with the US with absolute betrayal.
the Honduran Air Force apparently has nine F5E Fighter planes along with numerous other aircraft.
That doesn’t match up to a Venuzuelan Mig or F16
No..., I just think that we’ve got way too much in the way of problems *here* in this country. I think that if we don’t take care of things at home, right now — we will no longer have the opportunity to help anyone else. And once we do take care of the problems at home, a stronger and more vibrant America will naturally help the rest of the world...
It’s the idea (on a personal level), that if you don’t take care of yourself, then you will not be able to take care of anyone else. So, take care of yourself first — so that — you can take care of others. This is a very important personal consideration for all people to realize and especially with those who are inclined to take care of others...
You said — Things might have come out very different in Iraq if Honduras believed as you do. They were one of the few countries who stood at our side. But then, why should we show any type of appreciation or loyalty to those who stand with us. Let’s just turn our backs on friends.
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I agreed with the situation as presented by the President with Iraq and intervening. I believe that they were a major threat to the world and the Middle East and would destabilize the entire region and our influence in the area.
However, I don’t see that with Honduras...
No longer is that the case. Obama will sit on his hands, pick his nose--or golf or visit an ice cream shoppe--if Chavez savages Honduras.
But, you forget our international image. You don't realize how the US looks in this to those who revere the ideals of this nation in Honduras and elsewhere, not only in South American but around the world. Honurans have done their best to emulate our own constitutional tenets, we have been their 'blueprint' for a constitutional Republic.
I'd suggest you think a bit longer on the wisdom of scuttling such US support - by US absolute betrayal of the majority of Honduran people. We don't want to ruin foreign relations forever. We don't want to join Obama and turn our heads when one of our best allies south of us is under communist assault.
The Zero will do worse - he will go to Honduras after it has fallen to communism, and shake the hand of the dictator.
Well, the problem that many of us here have is with Obama. To urge the right course of action on Honduras, is like asking Obama to become a Republican... LOL...
So, the way I see it, the right course of action for us, right now, is to get rid of Obama, and that would include using stuff like this, against him in the long run, as the wrong course of action.
And if one does not get rid of the big DNC influence in running everything in the government (it sure seems that way...) then, what we do in Honduras is not really going to matter in the end, as far as this country is concerned.
We’re way past the point of “helping others” — if we can’t help ourselves... and that’s a big question right now — as to whether we can really help ourselves in this country (in terms of its politics and running this country).
I could not agree more, but as a nation we multi-task all the time - there are hundreds of items on the plate all the time.
We can allow none of the important tenets to go by the wayside, and the tenet in this case is, we don't allow thugs to attack our friends.
And a PS - under the best of circumstances - we won’t ‘get rid of Obama’ until at least 2012. Meanwhile we can ill afford to ignore friends worldwide.
You said — The Zero will do worse - he will go to Honduras after it has fallen to communism, and shake the hand of the dictator.
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It’s an unfortunate thing that in politics and in life, that there is the pendulum effect, in that things always swing *past* the midpoint of where you would like them to be, before they swing back again. So, once you see that something is swinging the wrong way (overall), then there is already momentum building up and in action in carrying that pendulum swing a lot further past the point of where you would like it to be.
That seems to be a natural course for things in life. And I would say it’s in operation here, too, with Obama.
All one can do, I think, is use these things, as they accumulate, to eventually get the pendulum to swing back again (in the political realm). I think that is the most you’re going to get out of this and other things (Honduras and anything else going on, with Obama)...
Why doesn’t FOX News have some people down in Honduras getting some “fair and balanced” footage and interviews? Too wrapped up with their salacious speculations on MJ’s death?
Well, I’ve seen this “pendulum swing effect” in operation in many things (including personal things in life) and that’s the “suffering” that many have to go through, when it comes to “working things out” in the meantime.
I’m not talking about something being “okay” just because of this effect, but that people just understand that even when you don’t agree with these things, that this particular kind of thing (where things get worse and worse, before they take a turn for the better) is going to happen.
In the meantime, you do continue to fight for the right thing, but the best that can be said about it (in many instances) is that the momentum is going to be against you, and eventually you’ll get into a position where you can take advantage of all these things and *turn the tide*...
I really do think that this is the way it’s going to happen (and I think so for more reasons than just a “pendulum theory” I’m presenting here, those other things which I’ve mentioned on other threads).
Yeah, I see what you mean. What does it matter if Hugo Chavez and Daniel Ortega team up with Zelaya and crush the freedom loving Honduran people who are trying to defend their constitution./sarc
What's another couple of Marxist regimes in the Western Hemisphere? It shouldn't bother us...none of our business who suffers under the boot heels of Marxism as long as we have our hamburgers and French fries, eh Star?
I mean the heck with it, we should pull all of our support from all of those useless Latin American nations and let them all go Marxist. Why should we worry? It doesn't have any effect on us, right?
Well..., mind you..., I’m not saying that I would say, “Okay I agree with Obama not supporting the Honduras government there, now.” No, not at all. I would oppose that, however, I oppose it also knowing that I’m not going to be able to get Obama as President to change his position into a conservative position. And so, I’ll be using those things, in the future, to my advantage, in getting rid of Obama, which is — of course — the main goal.
I just won’t invest more into Honduras than I’m going to invest in my own country, no matter what. Later on, under better circumstances, I won’t have to be as concerned about my own country as much as I am now. I’m afraid that it’s the USA that is in more trouble than Honduras is...
That would be the President of the United States and the Sec State. If you really want to deal with our leadership this is where we start to expose them and hang them out to dry.
0bama stuck us right in the middle of Honduras' affairs and if it turns into a regional conflict his bloody fingerprints will forever be seen as the fingerprints of the U.S. We don't live in a vacuum in this world.
You said — God I detest what selfish cowards the people of this nation have become.
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You’re framing this in terms of rhetoric that doesn’t necessarily apply, except for the purposes of debating, meaning it’s not true in real life, it just makes a good “sound bite” for rhetoric’s sake... :-)
The real problem is not with Honduras and what the U.S.A. does there, the real problem is that if the USA didn’t have a problem at home, then we wouldn’t be discussing the “problem” of how we’re dealing with Honduras.
You’re wanting to deal with the *symptom* of the problem (the symptom being how we are currently dealing with Honduras) instead of the *source* of the problem — which is right here at home.
I’m basically saying “Deal with the source, and you won’t have the symptom!”
It is now as much an issue as the US military presence in South Korea. If Honduras is attacked by other countries, our service personnel will be threatened. Will they protect themselves ? If I was down there I would.
I would agree, that we can put this right at the feet of Obama and Clinton...
I’ve said it before - Honduran military and folks in charge now might as well die on this hill - because if Chavez’ Mini-me ever gets back in power, heads will roll. I’d do the same thing if I were them. Fight to the death!
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