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Is There Some Truth to Dragon Myths?
ICR ^ | July 2, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 07/02/2009 9:21:03 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Harry Potter fans are looking forward to the boy wizard’s next screen adventure, when Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince opens this month. Pottermania broke loose when J. K. Rowling’s first book appeared on bookstands in 1997, prompting the creation of films, fan websites, and dozens of similarly themed books. Rowling’s world of wizardry has even inspired the name of a dinosaur fossil, Dracorex hogwartsia. But serious researchers are seeing evidence that dragons were more than just fantastical creatures...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dragons; evolution; exobiology; intelligentdesign; myth; pseudoscience; science
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1 posted on 07/02/2009 9:21:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/02/2009 9:21:39 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

3 posted on 07/02/2009 9:22:48 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

My fiancee just saw this picture and was like “what the heck is that”


4 posted on 07/02/2009 9:24:13 AM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: Drango

This is a thead about dragons not gorgons.


5 posted on 07/02/2009 9:24:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Drango

wow, I was so close.


6 posted on 07/02/2009 9:25:00 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If global warming didn't exist, Al Gore would have had to invent it.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks for the laugh!


7 posted on 07/02/2009 9:25:48 AM PDT by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
Gee...I wonder what kind of creature could have inspired that myth?


8 posted on 07/02/2009 9:26:56 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Fyi..article about the CM.

Paleontology and Creationism Meet but Don’t Mesh

9 posted on 07/02/2009 9:27:20 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Tales of dragons are almost universal and were incorporated into the historical background of virtually every people group on every continent.3 How could so many different cultures conjure up such similar details in their dragon legends, unless their ancestors actually encountered them?

This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. The Western visual representation of dragons is quite different from their depiction in Asian art (and there is a lot of variety in how they are depicted in the West, too). Also, the stories around dragons are quite different between the two cultures- Western myths consider dragons to be malevolent, while Asians tend to view them as benevolent.

Our ancestors were no less imaginative than we are- it's not surprising that they created stories around the fossils they discovered.

10 posted on 07/02/2009 9:28:33 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: GodGunsGuts

11 posted on 07/02/2009 9:34:47 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Drango

Helen Thomas looked pretty good yesterday in her castigating Obama’s press secretary ... Robert Gibbs.


12 posted on 07/02/2009 9:35:49 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: GodGunsGuts
Am looking forward to seeing the Half Blood Prince. Hope I live long enough to also see the Deathly Hallows.

They seem to be taking for ever to finish the series. Which is odd because they are such money makers.

Unfortunately I will have to wait until it comes out on DVD.

13 posted on 07/02/2009 9:38:47 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: GodGunsGuts
It is odd that dragons appeared in antiquity in both oriental and oxidental cultures but with no apparent links to one another...


St. George slaying dragon


Chinese dragon

14 posted on 07/02/2009 9:40:25 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

15 posted on 07/02/2009 9:41:30 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the laugh! You’re on a roll today.


16 posted on 07/02/2009 9:42:43 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: GodGunsGuts
There is more documentation about dragons than anything about Hairy Potter.
17 posted on 07/02/2009 9:42:48 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Other Myths with some Truth:

1) Bigfoot
2) Loch Ness Monster
3) Hollow Earth
4) Paul is Dead
5) Global Warming
6) Islam is religion of Peace
7) Jimmy Hoffa buried in Meadow lands endzone
8) liberals are openminded
9) Obama is a capitalist
10) The illuminati killed Princess Di


18 posted on 07/02/2009 9:43:14 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: xcamel

That’s a classic picture! I’m saving it for these threads.


19 posted on 07/02/2009 9:44:08 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: stormer

You may think this funny, but Jesus believe in the inerrancey (and accuracy) of the Whole OT, including Genesis.


20 posted on 07/02/2009 9:44:36 AM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Is that the last picture of the stupidest man in the world?


21 posted on 07/02/2009 9:55:03 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
"Is that the last picture of the stupidest man in the world?"

Nobody knows for sure; the cameraman disappeared, too.

22 posted on 07/02/2009 9:56:04 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 07/02/2009 9:58:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL. Nice tag, incidentally.
24 posted on 07/02/2009 9:59:23 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Blackacre

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinofossils/First.shtml

“The First Dinosaur Fossil Scientifically Described
The first dinosaur to be described scientifically was Megalosaurus. This genus was named in 1824, by William Buckland; Gideon Mantell (not Ferdinand August von Ritgen) assigned the scientific type species name, Megalosaurus bucklandii. Buckland (1784-1856) was a British fossil hunter and clergyman who discovered collected fossils. (Note: the first dinosaur found was Iguanodon, but it was named and described later than Megalodon.)

It was the first dinosaur ever described scientifically and first theropod dinosaur discovered (this is all in hindsight, because the dinosaurs had not yet been recognized as a separate taxonomic group - the word dinosaur hadn’t even been invented yet).

The first dinosaur models (life size and made of concrete) were made by Benjamin Waterhouse Hawkins of England in 1854. The first dinosaur used for amusement was a life-size model of an Iguanodon (made by Hawkins) that was used to house a dinner party for scientists (including Richard Owen) at a major exhibition. The invitations to the party were sent on fake pterodactyl wings. The party took place in London, England, in 1854 “


25 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:14 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Semper Fi)
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To: Joe 6-pack

26 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:24 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I read most of the books. They got longer and longer. Some of the concepts were rather cool, but for the most part, I thought they were too contrived. Voldemort rears his head on Halloween, next thing you know it’s Christmas, and all of the important events occur on holidays. They had a lot of time off between crises.

I think it wasn’t until after the first book that the author started to take the whole thing seriously. I still think Dumbledore is a stupid name. It contains and starts with the word Dumb. My impression was that the author started out intending the old wizard to be a bumbling character, like the one in Disney’s Black Cauldron. By the time she decided to make him into a Gandalf, he was stuck with that name. It doesn’t seem like a name that could strike fear into the hearts of evildoers.

I have yet to see even one Harry Potter movie. I won’t be waiting in line for this one, either.


27 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:49 AM PDT by webheart
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To: JSDude1

You may think this funny, but Jesus believe in the inerrancey (and accuracy) of the Whole OT, including Genesis.
__________

Are you suggesting that Jesus actually rode around on a dinosaur as the picture in the post you responded to depicts?


28 posted on 07/02/2009 10:05:04 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Blackacre

IIRC, for a long time some show (Barnums?) displayed a mammoth skull as the skull of a Cyclops...


29 posted on 07/02/2009 10:05:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: BwanaNdege

That may be the first Dino fossil that was scientifically described, but our ancestors most certainly ran into fossils before then. The stories of such beasties were passed on and became the mythological creatures of various cultures.


30 posted on 07/02/2009 10:06:26 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: dmz
Are you suggesting that Jesus actually rode around on a dinosaur as the picture in the post you responded to depicts?

Okay- that would be all kinds of awesome.

31 posted on 07/02/2009 10:07:45 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: meandog

Dunno.
When you look at the different roles, maybe they’re not related at all. In the Orient, dragons are divine and, mostly, forces for good.
In the West, dragons are evil and destructive.


32 posted on 07/02/2009 10:08:02 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So why did not ONE dinosaur from the fossil record make it on the Ark?


33 posted on 07/02/2009 10:08:20 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’d think the author of Job, while he was going on about the tail, might have mentioned the whole flying and breathing fire thing.


34 posted on 07/02/2009 10:08:34 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: webheart

“Dumbledore is a stupid name”

It’s the common name for a feces-living beetle in England

Fitting, since Dumbledore in the books turns out to be a poofter.


35 posted on 07/02/2009 10:11:25 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Leave Bigfoot alone. He has quasi religious significance.


36 posted on 07/02/2009 10:11:27 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Blackacre
I've lived on four continents in multiple cultures, mostly in rural areas. The first fossils I ever saw outside a museum were while on a geology field trip at the age of 50. These fossils were of invertebrate marine animals.

I've never met anyone who has seen vertebrate fossils (other than fish) in the field.

37 posted on 07/02/2009 10:13:31 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Semper Fi)
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To: Little Ray
Dunno. When you look at the different roles, maybe they’re not related at all. In the Orient, dragons are divine and, mostly, forces for good. In the West, dragons are evil and destructive.

Still a mythological beast (the only one in the Chinese zodiac in fact) appearing in two distinctly separate cultures...pretty odd.

38 posted on 07/02/2009 10:18:03 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Every culture since ancient time has had “Dragons” in its mythology. Chinese/Asian, Mayan, Judeo-Christian, yet, no one has ever seen a dragon. But you can take a drawing of one anywhere on earth and people automatically KNOW what it is!............


39 posted on 07/02/2009 10:18:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Temple Of Darwinism has sent its backbenchers to bray and hoot.

Stories that linger in human memory usually have a basis in past reality. So dragons, dinosaurs of some kind? Possible.
Look at how widespread stories of the Flood are.


40 posted on 07/02/2009 10:26:55 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Look at how widespread stories of the Flood are.

Given that most societies started around rivers, it's not surprising that stories about terrible floods are common. And anyone living in the area that is now the Black Sea at the time the Mediterranean broke through the Bosporus would have told the story of that huge flood.

41 posted on 07/02/2009 10:29:53 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Red Badger

One could say practically the same about God, angels, demons, etc.


42 posted on 07/02/2009 10:37:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: meandog

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that, appearances aside, Oriental dragons are not really dragons at all by Western standards. They’re not the same creature at all.


43 posted on 07/02/2009 10:41:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: stuartcr

How about all those pictures of Jesus that portray him as a tall Caucasian? They will be very surprised when a short dark Middle Eastern Jewish guy shows up!.................


44 posted on 07/02/2009 10:55:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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To: stormer

Hoe did you know we were laughing at you?


45 posted on 07/02/2009 10:58:23 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Red Badger

Who could probably be easily mistaken for any short, dark Middle Eastern guy.


46 posted on 07/02/2009 10:59:27 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Hoe did you know we were laughing at you?

Once again, I hope you are a better surveyor than editor. LMAO!

47 posted on 07/02/2009 10:59:50 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Red Badger
How about all those pictures of Jesus that portray him as a tall Caucasian? They will be very surprised when a short dark Middle Eastern Jewish guy shows up!.................

Or like the black Jesus in the BBQ place I love downtown.

48 posted on 07/02/2009 11:00:40 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Which “myth?” - Alexander the Great’s or Marco Polo’s? - Or the carvings on the Ankor Wat temple?

Their descriptions don’t sound mythical at all.


49 posted on 07/02/2009 11:03:10 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: stuartcr

Well, he’d have long hair locks at the sides like a Hasidic rabbi, and he’d be wearing the Levite priestly vestments........


50 posted on 07/02/2009 11:06:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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