What a stupid goal.
"Is the GOP ever going to attract green-eyed voters?"
Worthless question, irrelevant answer.
A verbis ad verbera
Posted on 07/01/2009 2:49:45 PM PDT by AJKauf
Irrespective of race, it seems that nowadays the primary question asked when deciding which party to support is, “What will you do for me (and my downtrodden brethren)?” Looking at the “comments” section of an article about diversifying the GOP, it’s clear that for many African Americans, the answer expected from and assumed of Republicans is: nothing. (One of Asim’s reader’s comments: ” The Republican Party has not done anything in recent time to warrant an AFRICAN AMERICAN caring about it.”) This despite the fact that it was Richard Nixon who signed the first major application of affirmative action into law in 1969 with the Revised Philadelphia Plan, which required federal contractors to meet strict quota goals in the hiring of African Americans. Because Republicans were perceived as doing nothing for blacks, Democrats continued to get the black vote en masse long before there was a viable African American presidential candidate — and despite African Americans sharing socially conservative values with Republicans.
One might think that mixing up the demographics of the GOP is as simple as changing the perception by having Republicans do something for African Americans right now. There are two problems with that. First, it would run contrary to Republican principles. Conservatives are supposed to favor less government action, not more. Second — and perhaps more importantly — throwing government dollars at African American issues doesn’t seem to work...
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Yes. Be conservative and expose the racist poverty pimps in their midst.
Yes.
Instead of changing values to try to “out-democrat” the democrats, try pushing conservatism. Point out the lefts anti-Christianity. Speak out strong against homosexuality and gay marriage. Talk about how liberals don’t want black kids in their private schools which is why they are against vouchers.
The answer is No. The best we can hope for is that the Peggy Josephs of this world become so disillusioned that 0bama is not paying their mortgage and putting gas in the car, they stay home.
No. But we shouldn’t stop trying....ever.
Identity politics will never work, it will only divide.
The problem is that we haven't had a candidate pushing social conservatism in a long time.
If a candidate goes on the offensive and explains how abortion and the welfare state have DESTROYED many black families, they will listen.
Exactly.
95%+ of blacks voting for Barry half-White says it all..
I agree. If we could only get the GOP back to conservative values, then the turnout, I think, would be stunning after 4 years of Socialism a la Obama.
I know lots of conservative black folks, and although 95%+ black voters supported the President, that support will surely continue falling. One plank of our platform should be “Forget race-based voting.”
TC
Not by appealing to Black ignorance or Black avarice.
Maybe for being mugged.
Just as with the Hispanic vote, when push comes to shove they will pull for the Donkey to keep getting those checks from Uncle Sam coming
I believe that the alliance that Blacks have for the democRAT party is thin.
Of course. What won’t work is to attempt to pander to them. The Dems do it better and it offends those black voters most likely to be on our side anyway. How about just appealing to people and letting the race chips fall where they may?
No. If JC Watts could not get Black vote, and he did not, then how can any other R.
How about talking about how many Black kids are aborted each year? Ask the Blacks if they think genocide helps their cause.
No, because most, not all, are racist who vote for their tribe over their country.
I am a Conservative and have voted Republican in the past because GOP was where the Conservatives were.
Not any more.
I believe more and more that black people are waking up to who the Dems really are, but it's gonna be a long haul.
We could attract black voters with explaining the importance of economic growth and how a rising tide lifts all boats. Reagan did well among black voters with a message of economic opportunity for all.
Sorry to say, social conservatism is not going to attract Hispanic or black voters when they need the govt for their paycheck. Explaining conservatism is more difficult than playing the race card.
Actually representing Americans might help...
NO
No , with the exception of a very few that have already “seen the light” the majority of black people in the US are unable to see the truth because most were educated in Gov’t schools and surrounded by like minded non-critical-thinkers ... we can show all the facts we want but they really for the most part don’t have the ability to digest the knowledge (and that goes for a majority of white gov’t educated morons too). We need about 20-40 years to fix this problem with year #1 being when gov’t schools are abolished.
I live in a primarily black community south of Jackson and there is no crime because the community is middle class. When the local government intended to build a low-rent apartment complex nearby, the community rebelled against it because they knew who would move in and start going to school with their children - the welfare class. They don’t want that.
Most middle and upper class blacks vote democrat out of tradition. If they were shown WHY that is a mistake, they’d vote republican in an instant. The republican party needs to state over and over:
WE ARE THE PARTY OF LINCOLN AND THE FIRST BLACK POLITICIANS IN THE US
THE KKK WERE ALL DEMOCRATS
WE WERE THE VOICES AGAINST SLAVERY - MOST DEMOCRATS WERE SLAVEHOLDERS
WE HAVE CONTINUALLY FOUGHT FOR THE FAMILY TO THRIVE APART FROM THE GOVERNMENT - THE DEMOCRATS FIGHT FOR THE WELFARE STATE
Do that for a year and 30% of blacks will vote Republican in 2010.
In America, blacks, like many other ethnics (jews and irish!) are born into the democrat party. They need to discover their own path out of “inherited” voting patterns. The latter two groups have broken their 90% lockstep voting pattern only recently. The GOP will pick up many new black voters in 2010, if they pay some attention.
More and more blacks need to GROW UP, to see beyond obvious cynical Demo handouts and pandering, for blacks to take a serious look at the GOP. It’s on them, not the Republican party, to change stubborn behavior. The GOP should not, repeat NOT, scramble to attract blacks into the ranks. It can only look foolish, desperate and pleading. I give American blacks credit for having the brains and courage to discover the truth: Democrats pimp and pander you and laugh behind your back; while Republicans simply want you to act like a good citizen and wish you well, no preference and no special treatment.
HEY black folks: step off the democrat plantation, do a minimum of research, and you’ll find that the GOP is your party. The party of Lincoln. The party that wants you to buy into the American Dream, raise good kids, make lots of money honestly, reach for the stars, become an entrepreneur, hire workers and sign payroll checks, drive a nice car and live free from government nanny state lecturing.
You’ll feel the weight leave your shoulders, the knit in your forehead will fade, you’ll see what we conservatives see: that we construct our own personal cages, it’s on US to destroy them and move along.
Why do we need to “out-black” the Democrats to get “black votes?” If “out-blacking” Democrats involves subversion and rejection of conservative princples, then I say, frankly, screw them as a target group.
If that group is 10% or 70% there is little I can do about their decision for self-actualization but I can appreciate when they vote sensibly.
The media looks at political parties as winning through buying votes. Perhaps that is a path but it is not the only path. I do not always vote my wallet, my geographic area or my ethnic heritage and I consider many minority voters as sensible as I am.
The question is more along the lines of when will minority voters of all classifications refuse to be treated as mascots, as blocks that can be bought and instead vote for a long living and prosperous republic.
Sigh...
That the question can even be asked is an indication of the blindness and or stupidity of some people.
Some 80% of blacks rejoiced at the OJ verdict when a savage stone cold killer got off the hook thus frustrating “whitey”. This emotion (and that's what it was)is indicative of a level of rage and hate and self pity that is willful and as such it precludes anything ever displacing it. (Hate and Anger are cancer of the soul) But it gets worse:95% voted for Bozo and won't hear any talk that Bozo is any less than "The One We Have Been Waiting For". Their minds are slammed shut on any possibility that Bozo has feet of clay or that any negative reaction to his almost perfect idiocy is based upon anything but innate white hatred for a black man. Now wait until Bozo falls out of favor or does something Fascistic and un American and stupid, provoking any kind of civil unrest or street reaction.....I'd predict that they'll defend 'their own' with towering rage.
Frankly, the black vote goes for the socialists in most elections approximately 96 percent of the time. In 2008 it was 99 percent. Point being who cares about getting the black vote. The votes for consideration are the Hispanic and other groups. Fertile ground there. Couple that with recapturing the white male suburban fiscal conservatives which we lost because we spent money like a drunk sailor the GOP will dominate politics well into the future.
Let the blacks stay on the liberal plantation because there is no hope of getting them and we shouldn’t waste our time.
Who cares? Pandering & identity politics are the province of liberal fascists. The GOP should stop emulating them. If you act consistently in support of conservative values like less government, lower taxes, personal freedom, you will attract voters. If you have to dilute your values & hide your beliefs to attract voters, you don’t deserve to survive as a party. Blacks are almost unanimous in voting for big socialist giveaway programs that are primarily paid for by european-americans. Stealth reparations for slavery. Will the GOP support reparations to score a few votes?
What a stupid goal.
"Is the GOP ever going to attract green-eyed voters?"
Worthless question, irrelevant answer.
Two generations of public education and leftist controlled media means that we are very close to the marxist takeover/coup...according to Yuri Bezmenov. I don’t believe it can be stopped now.
About as much chance as getting American Jews to vote Republican.
ZERO.
Not until they turn around their self-defeating cultural mindset. Until then, they’ll stay on the democrat plantation to receive their freebies.
To those who say that Republicans should alter their appeal to Black voters, I say forget about it. The Republican message should be the same to all groups. You declare what you stand for, and don’t change the message. There’s no way Republicans are going to be able to equal the Democrats in pandering. So they shouldn’t even try. If Blacks and other minorities want to be seen as victims, I wouldn’t waste my breath trying to persuade them. Adopt a Marine Corps type message: we don’t promise you an easy road to success.
And tell the truth. Target them like anyone, an Ameircan. No lollypops, no promises, just good old American common sense and that the Party will do all it can to balance the budget, reduce the size of government, keep taxes low and provide decent education to all. Just basic conservative doctrine and if we do not perform vote us out.
Try asking for their votes, it’s a novel concept.
The only way the Republican Party can recapture (Yes, most blacks used to be Republicans until the Great Society destroyed black families.) black voters is for black Republicans to preach rebuilding black families. The Great Society resulted in single black women with numerous children with absentee fathers...and those mothers and fathers and the children all became Democrats, that is, people who want everything for nothing.
Yes, the GOP can attract more black voters, as well as every other demographic. Just be the best Reagan Conservative party we can be and they will join in.
South Carolina:
Roosevelt 98.57%
Landon 1.43%
Mississippi:
Roosevelt 97.06
Landon 2.74
Run for your lives, boys! They's a'comin' with the clippers!
No, not at all. To most blacks, people like Condi Rice, Alan Keyes, JC Watts, Michael Steele are “Uncle Toms” and are “acting white”.
Look - many blacks are natural conservatives. Mix that with the fact that dems take them for granted unless we’re fighting for them - and the best solution pops up. Ignore them - be welcoming if they show interest - but stick to our princaples and let them come to us - - or not... Same with RINO’s - we are NOT going to fight for them - if they want to be with us - great. If not - fine. We win when we run as conservatives.
Well put. Reagan got about 27% of the black vote (if I remember) by appealing to them as AMERICANS. The more the GOP panders and grovels, the smaller % of the black vote they get. Heck George Wallace pulled in 30-40% of the black vote.
I agree with you, quit trying to appeal to blacks in a bland general way like we would if we were looking for 50% (which we won't get) and instead shoot for the most conservative, most religious twenty or twenty five percent. We can go after the low tax crowd, the pro family values crowd, and the veterans and cops and the small business people, winning a 20% block made up of the best and most influential would be a very good thing and to do it means that we have learned to sell our message effectively to it's natural adherents, which is something that we seem to be failing at currently.
“Reagan did well among black voters with a message of economic opportunity for all.”
Blacks hated Reagan.
There's a moral in there somewhere.
Question is, does the GOP have any chance of winning white voters?
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