Posted on 07/01/2009 12:41:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The California governor's office says federal officials are threatening to seize six state parks if they are closed to help balance the state's budget.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed closing 220 state parks.
But the National Park Service warned in a letter to Schwarzenegger that six of those parks are on former federal land that could revert to the U.S. government if they are not kept open as parks.
(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...
oh noze- next, a Park Czar
Translation:
“Don’t worry, we will force tax payers in other states to pay for those parks so your illegals can keep enjoying them”.
It's the last thing they actually want.
Let them. It’s an empty threat.
This kind of brings up a question I have: How does the federal government own land? Unless the fed pays a state for real property, or it’s not owned privately, all land should belong to the state in which it is inside the borders of. You know - states right, that kind of thing.
“states rights” . . ..
The Feds own land that military bases are on.
I don’t know who the owners of all the AIRPORTS are- but that might be a multitude of owners.
But- the AIR CONTROLLERS at those airports are Fed employees, I think.
Can you identify the parks involved?
I live in CA and I use these parks all the time (Angel Island, Mt. Diablo, Hearst Castle), especially since I have 2 boys scouts and 1 cub scout and we hike all the time, and I say. . .fine with me.
It’s immaterial to me whether these parks are National Parks or State Parks. Perhaps they’d be better off as National Parks; I don’t know. I imagine the National Parks might cost more $$ as far as entrance fees?
Not sure yet, I will do some digging or maybe someone else can help out..
Can you imagine how this is gonna go over with the Mexican Mafia and their marijuana plantations on state lands and fed too? ;-)
Murky News has this, 3 areas ,, angel island, mt. diablo, 4 miles of beaches and dunes near Fort Ord /Monterey
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12727075?source=rss
Feds may take possession of some California parks, if they close
By Paul Rogers
The federal government is threatening to take possession of several of California’s most prominent state parks — including Angel Island in San Francisco Bay, the top of Mount Diablo and four miles of beaches at Fort Ord Dunes near Monterey — if Sacramento lawmakers close them to balance the budget.
That’s the message from the National Park Service, which also has told Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that California will be blocked from receiving future money from the Land and Water Conservation Fund, the leading federal source of funding for parks, if it closes state parks now.
The warnings came in a letter dated June 8 and obtained Tuesday by the Mercury News from Jon Jarvis, the Pacific regional director of the National Park Service, to Schwarzenegger.
The short answer is that the land belonged to the federal government first, since they acquired the territory. When states were formed out of US Territories, ownership of empty lands remained with the federal government. The states didn’t automatically get land owned by the federal government simply by forming states.
Lower taxes, deport illegals, end unions and cut 50% of the bureaucrats.
There, fixed the State.
I always thought the US Constitution forbid the feds from owning State lands.
Not one thought of SELLING them, is there?
With the exception of Texas.
The Constitution forbids a lot of things.
Leftists give the Constitution zero weight when it conflicts with their agenda.
Good... Let Ice Cream take care of them. We have enough to pay for already.
The federal government then either sold or homesteaded out most of it, the rest was kept in federal possession. In fact much of the upper Midwest is still to my knowledge owned by the federal government to this day and is just leased to the individuals who live on it.
Now that makes a lot of sense. Not.
Here is a link to a map of all federally owned land.
http://www.esf.edu/es/felleman/Gov%20Land%20Map.jpg.jpe
According to one source I just looked up. “The Federal Government owns nearly 650 million acres of land - almost 30 percent of the land area of the United States”
Wrong. Carol Browner wants to shut them down permanently. The Feds will take every acre of State land they can get their hands on and turn it over to the UN and seal all entrances. This is coming.
Texas isn't so much an exception as an anomaly. Since Texas acquired all its land itself, in its war of independence from Mexico, there was no federal land for the federal government to keep when it was annexed and became a state. There is a clause in the annexation agreement that stipulates that the unoccupied lands belonging to Texas would remain with Texas.
This is what the Global Agenda 21 really looks like.
California went through a similar step in that it declared its independence from Mexico prior to annexation.
The NPS does hit you with a fee, but you can buy an “Adventure Pass” for a year. I think it would equal about what the fees are. The parks are the only thing I would miss.
“With the exception of Texas.”
Have you got something against Hawaii? Or the original thirteen states?
I don’t go to any of those parks so I don’t care. ;)
Yep, let the Feds claim the lands, then move all of the Illegal Aliens there.
That gets the illegals out of state jurisdiction, and state benefits, many benefits of which are federally-mandated.
It kills two burdens with stone.
Revert to the feds? California would be better off selling them off... maybe they could use them for nuclear power plants. Bwahahahaha!
Ain’t that all a part of the PLAN?!
I don’t know about that... I think they want anything and everything they can get their hands on.
Remember Rahm’s Rule about never wasting a good crisis : /
Tatt
Figured Hawaii was similar, but didn’t think about the first 13.
Parks next, then harbors, ports and coastlines. It’s clear what they want to do. We own the bottom of the ocean 8 feet out from where the water begins. That was owned by the state, deeded over back in the 50’s. When we purchased the home is is now ours. Obviously we paid more than some due to that. Granted, we don’t own the water, but nobody can anchor or touch the bottom which means they can’t bottom fish, take lobster, spear, etc. They can’t even stand on the bottom. It is private property. Hell will freeze over before those scumbags try to take it without paying dearly, as I did, for it.
No harm.
Now the feds are going to Nationalize the states.
Great views at all of them, I am sure .. but I have never set foot on Diablo or angel island or those particular beaches.. and I’ve been here awhile.. my loss I guess. oh well, we have a pool. :) but no hot tub :-(
On another thread, I posted something about King Henry... but it was actually King William II who used about 1/3 of England for his own pleasure (hunting and he like) and strictly enforced a harsh "Forest Law" to make sure nobody interfered.
What about privatization?
When they start dumping tens of billions into California, they WILL have Nationalized the states.
Look at the dipshits smiling behind him who voted for him.
We have Tom Carvel for POTUS and Cookie Puss for his wife...great times we are living in.
Maybe the Federal government should take California back and reallocate it as 5 separate states (to conservative majorities)...
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BINGO!
Good luck dividing it. Change like that, likely?
Not with ‘Big FED’ in charge. ;-)
What was I thinking...
Well, the Bear Flag Republic was a pretty ad hoc deal that wasn't recognized by anyone. It only lasted 25 days, until Fremont showed up with a small group of US soldiers and claimed California for the USA, whereupon the Bear Flag Republic pretty much vanished without a trace. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ceded the land from Mexico to the US in early 1848 and California became a US territory for two years, until statehood in 1850.
Texas, on the other hand, was a real country with ambassadors and everything, and it lasted for ten years.
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