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McCain-Feingold to be overruled? SC orders argument on McConnell(McCain-Feingold)being overruled.
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Posted on 06/29/2009 8:15:33 AM PDT by jeltz25

The Court has held that Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (08-205) will be reargued on Wednesday, September 9 at 10 a.m. The Court has issued the following written order: “The parties should address the following question: ‘For the disposition of this case, should the Court overrule either or both Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce and the part of McConnell v. FEC which addresses the facial validity of Section 203 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002?’

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The SC has ordered a special argument to decide whether McCain-Feingold should be gutted and McConnell overruled in large part. I doubt they'd take such a step if they weren't serious about doing so. Usually when they order rehearing to ask if a case should be overruled, it ends up being overruled. WHy didn't they just overrule it now? Probably because the case didn't explicitly raise the issue so if they're going to take such a big step they want to do it the right way and have a full argument on it.

But reading the tea leaves, McCain-Feingold is finished.

Another big win, and thanks to W for getting rid of O'Connor and putting a strong conservative like Alito who will do the right thing.

1 posted on 06/29/2009 8:15:35 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25

Yep, I read this the same way.


2 posted on 06/29/2009 11:42:31 AM PDT by xjcsa (Currently shouting "I told you so" about Michael Steele on my profile page.)
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To: jeltz25

Terrific!!!! There is hope yet.


3 posted on 06/29/2009 11:43:03 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: jeltz25

IMO, McCain-Feingold doesn’t amount to much anymore. The interweb thingy has completely gutted the Dinosaur Media Order of Things. They don’t dictate what or when information is distributed.


4 posted on 06/29/2009 11:47:36 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: jeltz25
Another big win, and thanks to W for getting rid of O'Connor and putting a strong conservative like Alito who will do the right thing.

How did W "get rid" of O'Connor?

Didn't he put Alito on AFTER he tried to put Meiers on?

5 posted on 06/29/2009 11:48:25 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: jeltz25

Hell yes McCain-Feingold should be gutted. I suggest the Supreme Court read the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.


6 posted on 06/29/2009 11:49:22 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed...)
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To: jeltz25

I don’t think W got rid of O’Connor.


7 posted on 06/29/2009 11:51:31 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: jeltz25

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (Wiki)

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission is an ongoing legal case in which the United States Supreme Court will decide whether a politically charged film can be defined as a "campaign ad" under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, commonly known as the McCain-Feingold Act. This case is an appeal from a lower court case of the same name from 2008, in which the United States District Court for the District of Columbia sided with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) that Hillary: The Movie could not be shown on television right before the 2008 Democratic primaries under the McCain-Feingold Act.

Background

Citizens United, a conservative nonprofit organization, wanted to run television commercials promoting its film Hillary: The Movie, a documentary critical of then-Senator Hillary Clinton. In January 2008, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that the commercials violated the provision in the McCain-Feingold Act restricting "electioneering communications" 30 days before primaries and clearly had no other purpose than discredit Clinton; Citizens United argued that the film was fact-based and nonpartisan. The Supreme Court docketed this case on August 18, 2008, and heard oral arguments on March 24, 2009. A decision is expected sometime in the early summer months of 2009. On June 29, 2009, the Supreme Court issued an order directing the parties to reargue the case on September 9, and address the following question at oral argument: ‘For the disposition of this case, should the Court overrule either or both Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce and the part of McConnell v. FEC which addresses the facial validity of Section 203 of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002?’”

8 posted on 06/29/2009 11:52:20 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: jeltz25

I have trouble praising Bush for the destruction of McCain-Feingold—if that is what this does.

President Bush should have vetoed it in the beginning.


9 posted on 06/29/2009 11:53:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: jeltz25
Congress shall make no law(s) respecting an establishment of religion, or (and) prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or (and) abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or (and) the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances -First amendment (with some liberal corrections...)
10 posted on 06/29/2009 11:57:18 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: jeltz25

If McCain/Feingold is overturned and I hope that it is, what will be the effect upon 527 funding organizations?


11 posted on 06/29/2009 11:59:05 AM PDT by miele man
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To: jeltz25

W is the one who signed the piece of garbage into law in the first place.


12 posted on 06/29/2009 12:08:38 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: jeltz25

Bush should have just vetoed the damned thing.


13 posted on 06/29/2009 12:18:52 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: counterpunch
Bush ran on a platform of not agreeing with it, but he said he would sign it if it crossed his desk.

He kept his word. He wasn't going to take on the fight, particularly since it would have largely been against his own party (plus the media would have been damning him even harder than they did).

14 posted on 06/29/2009 12:19:36 PM PDT by what's up
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To: jeltz25
Man I sure hope they scrap that abomination called McCain-Feingold.
15 posted on 06/29/2009 12:21:19 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: what's up
He kept his word. He wasn't going to take on the fight, particularly since it would have largely been against his own party (plus the media would have been damning him even harder than they did).

Exactly what part of "Support and defend the Constitution of the United States" did W not understand?

It was his sworn duty to veto it. He failed to do so because of politics. That kind of says it all doesn't it?

The bill was passed by the House of Representatives on February 14, 2002 with 240 yeas and 189 nays including 6 members that did not vote. Final passage in the Senate came after supporters mustered the bare minimum of 60 votes needed to shut off debate. The bill passed the Senate, 60-40 on March 20, 2002, and was signed into law by President Bush on March 27, 2002.

Also as noted in the text quoted from Wiki above you'll note the bill wasn't passed until W had been President for over two years. How exactly did he campaign in 1998 for passing the bill?

TS

16 posted on 06/29/2009 12:30:36 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: what's up

Yeah, Bush won so much good will by signing away our First Amendment rights, didn’t he?
Other than tax cuts, every legislative victory Bush won advanced the Left’s agenda, not the Right’s.

Ted Kennedy’s education bill, McCain-Feingold, the most massive entitlement expansion since LBJ (MediCare Rx), creation of a bloated new department of Big Brother (DHS).
Doing the Democrats’ bidding still didn’t stop them from making fun of him for 8 years, it didn’t win him any support from them on his own agenda that never went anywhere, and it didn’t gain him their respect.


17 posted on 06/29/2009 12:36:59 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: abb

I work at a Christian non-profit. We are very limited in what we’re able to blog about or publish, because of this law.


18 posted on 06/29/2009 12:44:57 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Straight Vermonter; counterpunch
yeah...Bush said afterwards that he figured it would be declared unconstitutional.... He was being bipartisan signing it.

funny how bipartisanship means the right submitting to the left, but not vice versa.

19 posted on 06/29/2009 12:46:38 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: The Shrew
How exactly did he campaign in 1998 for passing the bill?

I assume you mean 2000.

Every time Bush was asked about this during the campaign he said exactly what I stated above. He didn't like the legislation but would sign it. He wasn't going to put up a stink over this one.

In 20/20 hindsight Bush is excoriated for this (as he is everything else).

But back then there was NO upset over his stance because people were so desperate to get Bush in over Gore, the degenerate state of the military being the main reason.

20 posted on 06/29/2009 12:52:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: counterpunch

Much of the troubles we have today have their roots in the inaction of one GWB.


21 posted on 06/29/2009 12:53:22 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: jeltz25

Good, toss it.


22 posted on 06/29/2009 12:53:48 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: jeltz25

W shouldn’t have signed the danged thing in the first place.


23 posted on 06/29/2009 12:55:54 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: counterpunch
Other than tax cuts, every legislative victory Bush won advanced the Left’s agenda, not the Right’s.

Wow. You sure missed some biggies. Everytime Bush got funding for the WOT he majorly advanced the cause of the Right.

Not to mention Kyoto, the Int'l Court, Pro-life causes (again and again), competition in the private sector for public jobs, giving Gov't lands over to the private sector, missile defense, judges, etc. etc.

You sure have narrow blinders.

24 posted on 06/29/2009 12:56:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
How exactly did he campaign in 1998 for passing the bill?

I assume you mean 2000.

Ummmmm. If your're a Presidential Candidate you start campaigning at least two years before the year in which the President is elected. So, no, I meant 1998. When W was showing up at campaign events and in debates with the bill's eventual sponsor - John McCain.

Speaking of revisionist history since the bill wasn't passed until 2002 - more than two years after his election how exactly did he campaign on the stance.

I provided a link to inform you of the date and vote on the legislation. All you have left Freepers with to evaluate your stance is your opinion. Links please.

TS

25 posted on 06/29/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: The Shrew
more than two years after his election how exactly did he campaign on the stance.

I'm not sure what you mean. You act as though candidates don't campaign on legislation that's obviously coming up in their tenure.

Campaign finance was coming thru the pipeline. They asked him about it. What's your point exactly. You think he was never asked about it?

If legislation comes up in '11 to extend tax cuts Osham wasn't asked about it during the campaign?

26 posted on 06/29/2009 1:03:15 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Straight Vermonter

He didn’t have a veto-proof majority.


27 posted on 06/29/2009 1:07:19 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Venturer

Your right on that score...he took the cowards way out and expected the supreme court to overturn...it didn’t


28 posted on 06/29/2009 1:07:46 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Deb

First, he should have done the right thing regardless.
Second, you are incorrect. The bill passed the senate 59-41. It’s unlikely another 7 senators would have changed their votes.


29 posted on 06/29/2009 1:11:00 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: what's up

Kyoto was voted down 99 to 0 by the Senate under Clinton.
There was almost zero opposition to the WOT. And I wouldn’t exactly call the WOT an ideological agenda.

The one area where Bush did not cave to the Democrats was on Iraq (seen by many as separate from the WOT). But again, this is Commander-in-Chief stuff, not an ideological agenda. And it did come with yet another huge pricetag.

Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on wars may at times be a necessity, but it is not the centerpiece of a conservative platform.


30 posted on 06/29/2009 1:13:06 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: jeltz25

This has turned out to be a great day.


31 posted on 06/29/2009 1:13:23 PM PDT by publana (Sick and tired of being sick and tired and it's still the first year of Dear leader's reign.)
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To: jeltz25

“Another big win, and thanks to W for getting rid of O’Connor and putting a strong conservative like Alito who will do the right thing.”

The thanks are certainly well deserved but would it be too picky to point out that if repubicans hadn’t passed and if W had vetoed that Mc-F POS legislation in the first place, overruling it wouldn’t be necessary?


32 posted on 06/29/2009 1:14:03 PM PDT by Postman
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To: counterpunch
There was almost zero opposition to the WOT

You've got to be kidding.

Just last year Pelosi was threatening to hold back funds in a big way. Bush won a major fight against her to get the funds.

The WOT was a huge fight for years. Where have you been exactly?

33 posted on 06/29/2009 1:16:03 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Are you talking WOT, or Iraq?


34 posted on 06/29/2009 1:18:34 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: rabscuttle385

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35 posted on 06/29/2009 1:18:42 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: counterpunch
Kyoto was voted down 99 to 0 by the Senate under Clinton.

And years later it came up again in a big way under Bush. One of the first things he did in his Presidency was deep six the entire idea which helped squelch debate for most of his Presidency.

36 posted on 06/29/2009 1:19:17 PM PDT by what's up
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To: jeltz25
"Another big win, and thanks to W for getting rid of O'Connor and putting a strong conservative like Alito who will do the right thing. "

YGTBSM!

BUSH signed the damned thing into law, and you want to give him credit for putting in Supreme Court justices who MIGHT overturn it? Please pull your head out of your @$$, you seem to be short of oxygen.

37 posted on 06/29/2009 1:21:01 PM PDT by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: counterpunch

You don’t know that the War on Terror includes Iraq?


38 posted on 06/29/2009 1:22:53 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Taking a stand against something the entire Senate had already rejected unanimously is not a profile in courage.

Kyoto was not a legislative victory for Bush, it was a legislative defeat for Clinton.


39 posted on 06/29/2009 1:23:19 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch
“Doing the Democrats’ bidding still didn’t stop them from making fun of him for 8 years, it didn’t win him any support from them on his own agenda that never went anywhere, and it didn’t gain him their respect.”
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Note to all Republicans, and especially all RINOs...this strategy does NOT work, and never will. It is well past time to take a true stand for Conservative Principles.

40 posted on 06/29/2009 1:24:29 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: jeltz25

I hope so!


41 posted on 06/29/2009 1:27:13 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin for OK Governor/Coburn for Senate 2010 ! Mark Rubio for FL Senate 2010!)
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To: Vaquero

“funny how bipartisanship means the right submitting to the left, but not vice versa. “
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Aint that the truth. Forget that! Time to stand and fight..


42 posted on 06/29/2009 1:27:27 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: Theodore R.

“Much of the troubles we have today have their roots in the inaction of one GWB.”
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You’re assuming no responsibility from Rs in Congress and the whole leftist machine? What of the media brainwashing crew? Come on - spread the love...


43 posted on 06/29/2009 1:29:35 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: counterpunch
Taking a stand against something the entire Senate had already rejected unanimously is not a profile in courage

Certainly it is when global momentum is building for the opposite mentality.

Bush totally retracted us from the treaty Gore had signed. Sure, Congress had not ratified it but to pull us out completely was something that had to be done by the President. A RINO (McCain?) would never have done it.

It caused quite an uproar at the time, though conservatives with BDS won't give him any credit now.

44 posted on 06/29/2009 1:30:01 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

When discussing Iraq and the WOT, we typically separate them as two different (but loosely connected) things.
We do this precisely because they are treated as such.

Few Democrats have given any opposition to the war in Afghanistan or the broader WOT, which primarily consists of logistical support and cooperation with foreign governments on tracking terrorist cells, and seizing their assets.

The Democrats have given a lot of opposition to the war in Iraq, and are very adamant that it is not part of the WOT.
So when we’re talking about Bush’s legislative victories over Democrat opposition, since one is opposed and the other isn’t, we cannot lump them together. Bush won several hard fought legislative victories on Iraq, but never had any real opposition to the WOT. You are masking this fact when you treat them as the same.


45 posted on 06/29/2009 1:35:01 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: jeltz25

Why didn’t they overrule it now? There is actually a good explanation contained in Kennedy’s opinion today in the firefighters case. The Court prefers to settle cases within the confines of that statue in question (as it did today within Title VII - they did not consider the equal protection clause of the constitution, because they were able to adjudicate the case before them on the basis of title VII itself). This rehearing suggests that the court cannot decide the case simply on the merits under McCain-Feingold, and therefore are going to look at the constitutionality of the law itself. BIG win for us - if we had won the Hillary case on the merits, it would essentially say McCain-Feingold permits pay per view showings. But they are apparently going to consider the constitutionality of the law itself. It’s now a first amendment case rather than a McCain-Feingold case.


46 posted on 06/29/2009 1:35:32 PM PDT by In Maryland
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To: SeattleBruce

Bush was supposed to be our last defense against the leftward march of congress. And he sat by in silence, never even lifting his veto pen.

Yes, I would call that inaction by its very definition, and I would fault Bush for failing as our watchdog. The buck stops with the president, remember?


47 posted on 06/29/2009 1:37:33 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“Second, you are incorrect. The bill passed the senate 59-41. It’s unlikely another 7 senators would have changed their votes.”
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Incorrect! :) Would have needed another 8 votes, to get to 67, as two-thirds are required to overturn a pres. veto.


48 posted on 06/29/2009 1:39:19 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the TRAITORS in the enemedia.])
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To: what's up

Actually, the global trend right now is to reject and rescind Kyoto style regulations.


49 posted on 06/29/2009 1:40:06 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch
The Democrats have given a lot of opposition to the war in Iraq, and are very adamant that it is not part of the WOT

Ah, so because Democrats don't consider Iraq part of the WOT we also do not consider it part of the WOT even though Al-Queda, Hamas, not to mention the MSM all had major offensives there?

In reality, Iraq was the major front in the WOT for years. Quit drinking their Kool-aid.

50 posted on 06/29/2009 1:41:24 PM PDT by what's up
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