Posted on 06/23/2009 11:47:26 AM PDT by AJKauf
Let’s review the bidding, shall we? The “election circus” took place a week ago Friday, and demonstrations began that night, June 12th. Ten days have passed. What have we learned?
–First, that a significant number of Iranians hate the regime and are prepared to die to bring it down;
–Second, that the fanatical religious zealots that hold the guns, chains, knives, tear gas cannisters, high-powered water hoses, sniper rifles and (perhaps) chemical weapons (said by some to have been deployed from helicopters), are prepared to order the killing of any number of Iranians in order to maintain their own power and preserve the Islamic Republic;
–Third, that women are playing a key role in the insurrection (a central element of any good analysis of events in Iran, which is invariably overlooked, even by some outstanding scholars)....
(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
N-th. Bring guns.
1) Don’t ever let the gov’t disarm the citizens.
2) Yes, this CAN happen here.
Voices and signs mean nothing when the government you are protesting has guns and not afraid to use them against you.
Solution, come heavy or not at all
A revolution is not a dinner party.
The article asked — What have we learned?
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Well, I can say what I know and also, what I hope that others have learned.
I know that electing one Muslim terrorist is as good as electing another Muslim terrorist...
It makes no difference...
One more lesson for the World: As long as Baraq Hussein 0bama sits in the White House, don't count on the US for anything, even moral support!
You said — The “revolution” in Iran is over. The fire is gone and the will has faded. They populace will return to whatever life they had before. The RG will search out leaders and they will be tried and executed. Next story please.
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As long as those 98% of the population in Iran continue to adhere to the false and evil religion and government idealogy (being one and the same...), they’ll simply elect one Muslilm terrorist or another Muslim terrorist for their leader.
There will never be anything different there in Iran as long as they continue agreeing to be subjects of *Islam*...
The key is not “elections” — because Muslims continue election Muslim terrorists for leaders. The key is *dumping* Islam in the first place.
Pretty simple.
We riot and get upset when the Lakers win the title.
We aren’t upset by the Trillions pumped out by the Fed and wasted by the Gov’t under the Republicans and Democrats.
Yet, Iran has an election and the people cry out.
We are the losers.
So..., he’s supposed to be upset that the *other* Muslim terrorist candidate didn’t get elected... LOL...
Here’s your other Muslim terrorist candidate...
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mousavi
Iranian reformist may seem moderate but his history is one of a radical sympathizer of the ayatollahs’ regime. Can a leopard really change its spots?
Smadar Peri
Published: 06.18.09, 14:22 / Israel News
Reformist Iranian leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi, with his sleek, striped shirts and overall serene demeanor, may seem like the nuclear threat-wary West’s wildest dream, but a closer look into the man’s past reveals a darker image, of a man who was a radical sympathizer of the ayatollahs.
Mousavi (67), who became Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s main political rival during the last presidential race, is an architect by training, an amateur artist and a would-be poet, who has penned dozens of romantic songs.
His presidential campaign focused on problems rooted within the Islamic Republic: He pledged to improve the status of women, fight unemployment, poverty and the younger generation’s disconcerting affection for drugs, and he vowed that change will come.
His resume, however, depicts an extremist – a man who is not so different than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
[ ... ]
at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3733426,00.html
“Solution, come heavy or not at all”
Can I get an AMEN!
Solution, come heavy or not at all
Irregardless of what anyone thinks of the theology of David Koresh, the Branch Davidians were the canary in the coal mine.
The hills will have more than eyes as the “next Waco” unfolds.
Once again you prove your own ineptness.
This is not about picking Mousavi over Ahmadinejad.
It is about the uprising against the whole corrupt theocratic regime in Iran.
0bama has chosen the side of the Mullahs, not the Iranian People.
And it looks like you’ve chosen the side of 0bama.
There’ll be an uprising here soon, if Obanaga keeps pushing us!
You said — This is not about picking Mousavi over Ahmadinejad.
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Well, you coulda fooled me, since all the talk has been about Mousavi winning the election instead of Ahmadinejad... LOL...
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And then you said — 0bama has chosen the side of the Mullahs, not the Iranian People.
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Actually, that’s exactly what it appears that 98% of the Iranian population has done, since they continue to adhere to the evil and oppressive idealogy of Islam.
I would be inclined to believe that they were more concerned about getting rid of the mullahs, if they — themselves — first got rid of the evil and oppressive idealogy of Islam which supports the mullahs....
If they don’t do that, then all they are doing is picking one Muslim terrorist candidate versus another Muslim terrorist candidate...
You should go on a mission to Iran to convert them to Christianity.
Don’t come back until you have converted every last Iranian.
Godspeed.
It’s a well-known principle of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to give the people (of a country) exactly what they ask for and what they deserve. That’s why Iranians have got Ahmadinejad and that’s also why the U.S. has Obama...
I see. They worship a different god, so they should be mere cannon fodder for the ruling elites of an opressive totalitarian state. I assume you have the exact same contempt for Buddhists, Hindus and any other religion that doesn't conform to your template of the universe.
You said — I see. They worship a different god...
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There is only *one* God, and that’s our Creator God, referenced in the Declaration of Independence, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom the founding fathers recognized as the One who would establish this nation and who is the only one who can grant rights that no government can take away. All else (in the way of “granted rights”) is from men and can be removed as easily as being granted.
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And then you said — ... so they should be mere cannon fodder for the ruling elites of an opressive totalitarian state...
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When people *choose* that very oppressive totalitarian state *themselves* — which is called Islam, that defective and false religio-governmental idealogy which engages in these things — then that is *their own choice* for choosing that very thing.
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And lastly you said — I assume you have the exact same contempt for Buddhists, Hindus and any other religion that doesn’t conform to your template of the universe.
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There is only *one* God and that’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. All else is false and results in man’s slavery upon others of mankind. Nothing better than that comes out of rejecting the one true God.
Our founding fathers knew better and that’s why they referenced the one true God, that Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
BUT, having said that, it’s up to each person to choose what they *want to live under*, and if the people choose to adhere to the evil and oppressive religion as their own personal choice, then they *get* exactly what they want for themselves. That’s exactly the nature of the evil and false and oppressive idealogy of Islam.
You probably should view these videos... to get better educated on what the people of Iran have chosen for themselves in *being* Muslim...
Also, for anyone else wanting to find out about the deceptive and evil practices of Muslims and how they try to fool the “infidels” so they can perpetrate their overthrow of their governments..., see the following...
Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
and also, this...
Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
and then, looking at this...
“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts
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You’ll find the information about Takiyya, the “lying through your teeth” practice of Muslims... to infidels...
Submitted by Clare M. Lopez (United States), Apr 29, 2005 at 18:53
Dear Mr. Pipes:
I am sure you are aware of it, but perhaps it would help the average reader to better understand what we are up against with committed Islamist jihadis, if the concept of “takiyya” were included in a story like this. In fact, to the Western way of thinking and within our ethical framework, deception is deception and it is wrong.
Within the Muslim moral universe, the concept of “takiyya”, which is religiously-sanctioned deception to protect or promote Islam, is not only moral, it is admirable because it comes from the Koran and experiences of Muhammad himself. This by no means is to excuse the behavior of a character like Moussaoui, but to place that behavior in a context about which most Americans know nothing. As Sun Tzu said many centuries ago, “Know thine enemy as you know thyself.”
Sincerely,
Clare M. Lopez
Executive Director, Iran Policy Committee
Washington, DC
at http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/21891
It's always about US!
When I was younger, I lived and worked many places overseas. I spent three years in Ismalia, Egypt working as a defense contractor. A colonel I worked with invited me to his father in laws "fish farm" for a day. I found out his FIL was a general in the Egyptian Airforce that day, we had a great time. I supplied the ride and alcohol, they supplied everything else.
The general liked me and I was invited back many times. I was introduced to the local "sheik", a very rich Bedouin who also was the town elder. We sipped a lot of tea and I smiled a lot, since I couldn't understand a word they spoke.
One day the colonel said we had to go back to the village, he needed a ride and said we had to go immediately. When we got there, I was informed we were going to a hearing, a court before the sheik. I didn't want to do this, but I was informed that as a foreign guest, I would add, "prestige" to the generals case, and show that he was a rich man with many friends.
The case involved a theft from the fish farm. A local had been caught stealing fish from the general. A lot of fish, that he then resold on the local market. The local man, quite young, argued that his family was hungry, and that he could find no job. The General argued that if everyone just steals his fish, he would have to find a new place for his business, and those he employed would have to find new jobs in the small village.
The sheik consulted for quite some time, and the court took a break for evening prayers. When he returned the sheik passed judgment. The young man was guilty of stealing fish. His punishment....he will work for the general on the fish farm until he had repaid all he stolen. He would also be allowed to take just enough fish home each night that his family could be fed. Once his debt was paid, no longer than one year though, he would become a fulltime employee of the general, as he would know much about growing fish.
This is a true story. The colonel is now a general, the general was promoted to one of the top positions in the EAF. This happened in 1993. The moral of the story......? Don't be so quick to judge those that you don't understand.
Send lawyers guns and money. Not necessarily in that order.
You said — Don’t be so quick to judge those that you don’t understand.
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I think there are people who understand Islam quite well and what Muslims are adhering to, in the Koran and from the Prophet Mohammed and from what Sharia law is all about, in addition to their religious duty (for all Muslims) to take over the world and all nations and subjugate them all under Sharia law.
That would be enough right there, but I also add that there’s no point in paying attention to a false god and a false prophet and a false and evil and oppressive religion with designs to take over the entire world — which has been engaging in it for 1,400 years so far and shows no sign of giving up.
It’s had two major pushes into the “West” during this time and is now engaging in their third major push into the “West” with designs to overthrow Europe and the U.S.
The U.S. is one generation from Muslim takeover of this country.
As far as I’m concerned, they can keep their fish farms and stay over there where they can be miserable and oppressed. They have nothing of importance for any worthwhile idealogy for the West, and certainly not in the same vein as the founding fathers gave us, out of their understanding and belief in our Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Must you make enemies out of our allies?
You said — Must you make enemies out of our allies?
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Islam is our enemy..., along with any adherent to that false and evil and oppressive idealogy
Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
and also, this...
Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
and then, looking at this...
“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts
Neda Sotani was your enemy who got what she deserved, eh?
Did Obamadinejad commision your Basij Brigade for Christ or are you freelancing?
Well, I tried. Now I’ll say what I really think.....I’m ashamed to be associated with you as an American. Your rhetoric is no different than any white supremest BS on Storm Front. You give true Christians a bad name. Good day.
Do you also consider our gallant islamic Iraqi allies your enemy too?
You said — Neda Sotani was your enemy who got what she deserved, eh?
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If she wanted freedom, then she should have rejected Satan... and his false, evil and oppressive idealogy of Islam. That’s the first step in that kind of process *on the road to freedom* — and *not* picking another oppressive and evil leader.
If someone like her wants to choose *another* like-minded Muslim terrorist for her leader — like Mousavi, then I have no idea how one thinks they are going to avoid oppression, subjugation and killing — like *that* — when Islam is all about subjugation and the taking away of freedoms.
Here’s your other Muslim terrorist candidate...
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mousavi
Iranian reformist may seem moderate but his history is one of a radical sympathizer of the ayatollahs’ regime. Can a leopard really change its spots?
Smadar Peri
Published: 06.18.09, 14:22 / Israel News
Reformist Iranian leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi, with his sleek, striped shirts and overall serene demeanor, may seem like the nuclear threat-wary West’s wildest dream, but a closer look into the man’s past reveals a darker image, of a man who was a radical sympathizer of the ayatollahs.
Mousavi (67), who became Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s main political rival during the last presidential race, is an architect by training, an amateur artist and a would-be poet, who has penned dozens of romantic songs.
His presidential campaign focused on problems rooted within the Islamic Republic: He pledged to improve the status of women, fight unemployment, poverty and the younger generation’s disconcerting affection for drugs, and he vowed that change will come.
His resume, however, depicts an extremist – a man who is not so different than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
[ ... ]
at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3733426,00.html
I don't know if you saw FNC a little while ago where they had pen cameras recording a protest group, but the words "Death to the Islamic Republic" have been heard uttered - nay shouted - for the first time.
And for your latter post regarding choosing Mousavi over the nutjob; he's just a rally point. The youguns had a lot of hope on this election, which resulted in a turnout that should put our electorate to shame. But their voice was stolen. Just another in a long train of abuses methinks; the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
It's beyond Mousavi now - way beyond. Will they continue use him as a rally cry, probably. "Death to the Islamic Republic" cries.....But if they have to fight to get regime change, anybody could wind up on top, but I doubt it will be a Mullah - the theocracy is will be out as a political ruling class. Mr. Mousavi could still wind up on top I suppose, but he will have to KNOW he's under a microscope. And he will have to KNOW that one false step will buy him the same fate as his predecessors.
I don't think this is over yet by a long shot. At least I hope not, because those kids are our best hope of getting Iran in line with the modern world and pull them back from the brink. ZerØ sure as hell ain't gonna do it.
You said — Islam is not the enemy. The enemy is fascism.
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There’s no question about it... the enemy is *Islam* itself and the evil and oppressive and false idealogy that it perpetrates. To say it’s “fascism” is to engage in “political correctness” and nothing more... and sidetracks people from the *true enemy* in this war.
In one generation we’ll see, right here in the United States that “Islam” is the enemy and not “fascism”...
Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
and also, this...
Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
and then, looking at this...
“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts
You said — I don’t think this is over yet by a long shot. At least I hope not, because those kids are our best hope of getting Iran in line with the modern world and pull them back from the brink.
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I don’t hold any hope in Iran doing that with 98% of their population absolutely adhering to Islam.
I said in another post, the following...
Being *Muslim* they will never break the cycle. When the question is what comes first — it’s basically the belief in the one true God from which all freedom comes.
When one chooses a “religion” in which they believe in *Satan* (and that’s the case here, because the characteristics of “Satan” are what “Allah” displays, as given in the Koran) — they will *never* get the freedom that comes from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So, sorry, as far as I see, it comes *first* from the freedom granted in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and then the political follows...
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In other words, belief in the One true God results in freedom. But, “freedom” without the belief in the one true God, results in slavery. That’s the way it works...
As long as the majority over there in Iran believes in the false and evil religion of Islam, they will always have slavery to it, as a result.
This is a revolt against the islamic dictatorship and if your god can't bring itself to side with the oppressed in this struggle for freedom then your god has it's head up it's arse along with a certain seventh-century adherent.
You said — This is a revolt against the islamic dictatorship and if your god can’t bring itself to side with the oppressed in this struggle for freedom then your god has it’s head up it’s arse along with a certain seventh-century adherent.
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Actually, in regards to Iran, and in terms of what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will do — is that he will destroy them as a fighting force in the God/Magog War of Ezekiel 38/39. They are allied with Russian and some other Muslim nations in order to attack Israel. But, they are defeated by God, in this war.
Furthermore, when the Messiah of Israel returns to earth to set up the Kingdom in Israel, ruling over all the nations of the world, the first thing that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel does, is engage all the forces of Islam and destroys it completely killing millions upon millions of the adherents to Islam, and utterly wiping out every last single one of them. Not a single one will be left. That’s what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob tells us in His Word.
Now, that may not make some people happy, but that’s is what is going to happen...
So, in the meantime, it appears that Iran will keep building up for that big war with Israel and then their military forces will be wiped out. And then later, upon the return of the Messiah of Israel, to set up the Kingdom ruling over all the nations, every last vestige of Islam will be obliterated from this world, never to be seen again...
That’s what we’ve got coming up.
Well, are you going to call our gallant islamic Iraqi allies your enemy or not?
You asked — So basically, you want them to fail because they don’t adhere to your ideal religion?
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Muslims will continue to be oppressed as long as they adhere to an oppressive and evil idealogy. You choose oppression, you’re gonna get oppression. You choose Satan and you’re going to get the results of what Satan dishes out for you. That’s the way it works...
If someone wants freedom, it only comes from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, just like our founding fathers knew, very much so, because they stated that our freedoms came from this very same God, and they depended on that very same God to *establish* the U.S. in its freedoms and government.
Short of that, for other people in the world, and all they’re going to get is slavery and oppression. God promises that from the rejection of the freedoms that He offers to all of mankind...
You said — Well, are you going to call our gallant islamic Iraqi allies your enemy or not?
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Islam is the enemy. I don’t know how many in Iraq are Muslims, but to the extent that one is, all they trade off is one dictator for another dictator — and they are still oppressed, nonetheless.
That’s all that happens when you choose an idealogy such as the evil, oppressive and false teachings of Islam, which is totally opposed to freedom and even elections, and wants to put into place Sharia law, not only over that land, but every other country in the world...
Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
Or as Thomas Jefferson pointed out....
Those that beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who do not.
You said — Revelations was written long before there were any muslims, let alone russians, so how can you interpret to read that god is going to kill all the muslims?
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The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob says He is the only one who knows the end from the beginning and is able to tell what the future brings and is able to make it happen as He says.
I can tell you haven’t studied up on this subject, or else you would know that and also know about Revelation and the other old Testament scripture references, such as the Ezekiel 38/39 war and the Psalm 83 Israel/Muslim war, too...
In case you didn’t know, the prophecies of the coming Messiah of Israel were written a long time before the Messiah actually arrived. And parts of those prophecies that told about His coming also are linked in the same parts as the ones about the future return to set up the Kingdom on this earth.
Jesus even read one of those prophecies about Hinself in which He split the sentence into two parts, the first part about the time He was there, at that moment and the time when He comes to set up the Kingdom, future to that time He was speaking.
They are all linked together as future-telling events — future to the Messiah’s coming when He did, for the salvation of all of mankind (to those who choose Him) and future to His setting up of the Kingdom over all the nations of the world.
The Iranian people are up in arms because the one small slice of power they were supposedly given in their “republic” was to pick among those candidates the mullah's approved of.
It has been rubbed in their faces that this one small role they were given to guide the destiny of their nation was a SHAM and a LIE.
They are rightly quite upset.
But only a moron would assume that they are upset that guy #2 didn't win instead of guy #1. That was what 0bama tried to say early on, yet another brain dead and tepid response from our “present”ident.
Could you get anymore left wing moonbatty?
You said — But only a moron would assume that they are upset that guy #2 didn’t win instead of guy #1. That was what 0bama tried to say early on, yet another brain dead and tepid response from our “present”ident.
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Well, it was an “election” and the other Muslim terrorist candidate was the one that those “crowds” were supporting. And they “rallied” at his speaking to them, too...
It would seem that you want to “rewrite history” and say that they were voting for “None of the Above” instead of other terrorist candidate “Mousavi”
LOL...
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