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France considering ban on burqas, spokesman says
reuters ^ | June 20, 2009

Posted on 06/19/2009 12:30:50 PM PDT by george76

FRANCE may introduce a law banning full burqas if a parliamentary commission finds the growing number of women wearing them have been coerced into doing so.

Nearly 60 legislators signed a proposal on Wednesday calling for a parliamentary commission to look into the spread of the burqa in France, a garment that they said amounted "to a breach of individual freedoms on our national territory".

France, home to Europe's largest Muslim minority, is strongly attached to its secular values and to gender equality, and many see the burqa, which covers the wearer from head to toe and hides her face, as an infringement of women's rights and is increasingly being imposed by fundamentalists.

The country has been divided by fierce debates about how to reconcile those principles with religious freedom.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has not yet spoken on the subject but promised to address the issue in a speech on Monday to members of parliament.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: burqa; burqas; france; frenchmuslims; islam; muslim; muslims; muslimwomen; nicolassarkozy; rop; sarkozy; sharialaw; trop; wot

1 posted on 06/19/2009 12:30:50 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Do it!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 06/19/2009 12:31:32 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: george76

3 posted on 06/19/2009 12:32:58 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: george76

How about a law requiring them to shower regularly?


4 posted on 06/19/2009 12:34:52 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: george76

Come on France, get up off your knees and show us your better side again.


5 posted on 06/19/2009 12:35:41 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: george76

Europe still hasn’t figured out that freedom thing. Nor have many on the FR. Maybe there should be a competing “Regulatory Republic” website.


6 posted on 06/19/2009 12:36:00 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: george76

Was it an Air France jet that went down recently?


7 posted on 06/19/2009 12:36:31 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: george76
However, there are a few good reasons why such garments would save many "barf" alerts on FR posts and resulting appetite loss......
(Being a gentleman, I won't mention any names.)
8 posted on 06/19/2009 12:36:43 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Slapshot68

OMG, how f’n hard is it to take a 10 minute shower once in awhile, and they wonder why nobody likes them, eeewwwwwh!


9 posted on 06/19/2009 12:36:48 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: george76

I’m torn on this issue. Religious (or, really, any) oppression should be fought wherever it is found. But what happens when France decides that Christians wearing cross necklaces or Jews wearing yarmulkes are being “oppressed” and forbids them from wearing articles of their faith? If women are truly being forced to wear these articles of faith, find ways to heavily punish those forcing women to wear them. But does France know where to draw the line between protecting people and suppressing expressions of religious faith? To orthodox Muslim women, forbidding the hijab would be like “liberating” women by forcing them to walk around in bikinis.


10 posted on 06/19/2009 12:37:45 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: Seruzawa

Exactly.


11 posted on 06/19/2009 12:39:04 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: george76

The French are as tough on Moslems as they are on Catholics.


12 posted on 06/19/2009 12:39:23 PM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: george76

whoa....maybe the French are about to shock us by showing a spine here


13 posted on 06/19/2009 12:39:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: george76

When France does, they’ll all head this direction.


14 posted on 06/19/2009 12:40:00 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Oui, oui, mes amis!


15 posted on 06/19/2009 12:40:26 PM PDT by jyoders19
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To: Seruzawa
"Europe still hasn’t figured out that freedom thing. Nor have many on the FR. Maybe there should be a competing “Regulatory Republic” website."

Honestly, I'm torn. It's a complicated issue. There was a case, perhaps several, recently where a woman on the east coast wanted to take her driver's license picture wearing her face covering hijab. I believe the state's supreme court finally ruled that they had to reveal their face for identification pictures.

I think France actually has good, legitimate intentions, but we all know about intentions and that road to hell. Also, France (and most European countries) doesn't have the same ubiquitous First Amendment protections that Americans enjoy.

I think that in some very specific, isolated places, a ban on full-face hajibs or burqas is probably appropriate. After all, try to walk into a bank with a ski-mask on and see what happens.

16 posted on 06/19/2009 12:42:14 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Devils Avocado
I think of it more as a security issue. How many weapons could be hidden under all that cloth? for that matter even a bomb...Cannot hid a bomb behind a cross. Its not a religious thing, security is important..
17 posted on 06/19/2009 12:42:45 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: george76
So France spins this to make the banning of burquas necessary for the civil rights of Islamic women? The same argument could be had, more effectively, in favor of allowing women to have burquas.

It sounds like France has climbed up a sh*t-pole with its Muslims and can find a good liberal way back down.

18 posted on 06/19/2009 12:42:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: george76

Go for it! And if the Muzzies don’t like it they are free to return to the Islamic paradise from whence they came.


19 posted on 06/19/2009 12:43:36 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: george76
burkas are a start... work your way up to Mosques.

Its been a few years since the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was destroyed by caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, and many others taken down over the centuries.

20 posted on 06/19/2009 12:44:53 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Seruzawa
Europe still hasn’t figured out that freedom thing.

Agreed. Besides, either the definition of burqa will be so narrow that slight modifications would bring into "compliance" or it would be so broad that traditional Catholic nuns (and France still has a few) would also be told to abandon their habit.

In any event, after putting up with slutty clothing on women everywhere, setting a bad example for my children, I am unwilling to allow laws that prohibit people from wearing clothing based on it covering too much, possibly making an exception for faces for transactions with banks and drivers license photos, and that's about it.

The government that is allowed to dictate such things will be allowed to dictate almost anything.
21 posted on 06/19/2009 12:46:21 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue)
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To: george76

22 posted on 06/19/2009 12:46:52 PM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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To: george76

I would be really curious to see what would happen if they did outlaw it.


23 posted on 06/19/2009 12:56:41 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: george76
I'm confused. Didn't 0 recently say something in its Cairo speech about how muslim women choose to wear the burkha?

It wasn't wrong now, was it? Isn't it something like a god, or something?

24 posted on 06/19/2009 12:59:39 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Devils Avocado

I was thinking the same thing. What if a women freely chooses to wear a burqa? Doesn’t France have freedom of religion and freedom of expression. As much as I see the burqa a sign of oppression for women, I’m not sure passing law outlawing it is appropriate?


25 posted on 06/19/2009 1:00:24 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: george76

Can we trade Obama to France for Sarkozy?


26 posted on 06/19/2009 1:05:47 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: george76

While they are at it, could they ban “speedos” too? (just a thought)


27 posted on 06/19/2009 1:14:04 PM PDT by NordP (BHO's new book, "To Serve Man/United States" --- NO NO NO....RUN....it's a COOKBOOK!)
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To: george76

Vive la France!


28 posted on 06/19/2009 1:15:39 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: americanophile

Well the French do not elect Muslims to run their country. Also you will see loads of burquas in Seattle and other American libtard cities. The Europeans are also closer to the middle east then we are. In some ways they are showing more guts.


29 posted on 06/19/2009 1:17:05 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott ABC News and their parent company The Walt Disney Company)
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To: Seruzawa

Freedom is important, but it is not the greatest good. Individual liberty is less important than the survival of the nation.


30 posted on 06/19/2009 1:17:34 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Frantzie
I don't think they're showing more guts, its a desperate measure in response to self-inflict wound. I support is however; better late than never. I wish the best for France, it's a magnificent country with a fabulous history...I fear the worst however.
31 posted on 06/19/2009 1:21:13 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: george76

But the Muslims will leave.

Oh, I get it.


32 posted on 06/19/2009 1:22:05 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Devils Avocado

Islam is not a religion; it’s a system of law.


33 posted on 06/19/2009 1:22:45 PM PDT by ex91B10 (The only response now is mass resistance.)
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To: All

Based on his response to the Iran problem, and this article, Ol’ Sarko is really proves he has more leadership in his pinky finger, here & now, than HOLY MAN has known in his entire life...


34 posted on 06/19/2009 1:23:10 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: george76

I think the mingers should stay covered up.

35 posted on 06/19/2009 1:23:37 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support The American Tea Party)
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To: Frantzie

Considering the birth rates,

Muslims will be democratically elected
and implement Europian Sharia Law through the legislative process,
within 20 yrs.


36 posted on 06/19/2009 1:24:24 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: george76
Correct move!

".. breach of individual freedoms on our national territory"...

France has to preserve their national and cultural heritage.  It is their country; it is their rule.   No westerner woman walking around in shorts in Saudi Arabia. 

37 posted on 06/19/2009 1:28:46 PM PDT by OneHun
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To: george76

You mean the French might actually begin to stand up for themselves? Nah. I’ll have to see it to believe it.


38 posted on 06/19/2009 1:29:43 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well said.


39 posted on 06/19/2009 1:30:55 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Dr. Sivana
You raise an excellent point, one that must keep public safety in mind, while allowing for facial recognition. The ultimate answer after safety would be, if the Moslems do not like 'uncovering' their women, they can march their sorry back sides back to Islam.

Viva Martel!

40 posted on 06/19/2009 1:41:07 PM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The government that is allowed to dictate such things will be allowed to dictate almost anything.

You mean like Sharia law does currently?

41 posted on 06/19/2009 2:03:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: ex91B10
"Islam is not a religion; it?s a system of law."

Islam is the religion of Muslim people. Islamic law is called "sharia."

42 posted on 06/19/2009 4:23:46 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: Devils Avocado

In France, according to the law in existence already, La Loi Sur La Voile, all “ostentatious” displays of religion are forbidden in government facilities, such as schools, some businesses, Post Office, etc.

Crosses and yarmulkers are included along with the Islamic veil.

So, a woman wearing a cross, or a man wearing a yarmulker cannot be employed by the government, or attend a public school or university.

If one is to have freedom of religious expression, it must be for all.

The Dean of NYU Law School is an Orthodox Jew who wears a yarmulker. So are many doctors, and heads of departments in major medical schools and hospitals. Many women in all walks of life wear crosses. I personally wear a cross every day.

I look at it this way: in the US, with the Burka and hijab, at least we know who and where these people are . We can also judge whether there is an increase.


43 posted on 06/19/2009 5:48:00 PM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: SunkenCiv

While they’re at it, they need to ban Islam.


44 posted on 06/19/2009 10:02:27 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: B-Chan

And banning burkas is going to save France? LOL!


45 posted on 06/21/2009 1:14:36 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Seruzawa

Diddo.

There seems to be a double standard or blurred vision as to what freedom is. Actually,F rance takes one more step toward secularizing society and infringing upon religion. How would we react to France banning women from wearing veil’s to mass?

This “progressive” action actually restricts the freedom of these women. I would expect that if these women are committed to wearing the burqa they would either

1)opt to protest the government’s decision by wearing the burqa in public
or
2)not leave the house

Thus, in effect, the French government is further suppressing the rights of these women.


46 posted on 06/22/2009 9:29:37 AM PDT by VocalObserver
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To: B-Chan

even a fascist one?


47 posted on 06/22/2009 9:31:58 AM PDT by VocalObserver
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To: VocalObserver

Yes.


48 posted on 06/22/2009 10:13:07 AM PDT by B-Chan
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