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Wanted: 'Hope' for Iran: Rarely in U.S. history has a foreign policy been so repudiated by events.
WSJ ^ | 6/17/2009 | Bret Stephens

Posted on 06/17/2009 11:51:16 AM PDT by mojito

....In Cairo two weeks ago, Mr. Obama trumpeted "my commitment . . . to governments that reflect the will of the people." He also lamented that "the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government." Yet here is his administration disavowing the first of these commitments while acquiescing in the overthrow -- before it can even be installed -- of another democratically elected Iranian government.

Now a presidency that's supposed to be all about hope is suddenly in cynical realpolitik mode -- the only "hope" it means to keep alive being a "grand bargain" over Iran's nuclear program. This never had much chance of success, but at least until Friday's sham poll it wasn't flatly at odds with the interests of ordinary Iranians. Not anymore....

...Mr. Ahmadinejad's "victory" signals the ultimate ascendancy of the ultra-militants in the Revolutionary Guards Corps and the paramilitary Basij, intent on getting what they want and doing as they please even in defiance of their old clerical masters. Which means: Get ready for a second installment of the Iranian cultural revolution.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hopenchange; iran; obambi
Yes, that "Axis of Evil" business was just a neo-con fantasy.
1 posted on 06/17/2009 11:51:17 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

Take a Microsoft-based computer (we’re already starting out at the bottom here).

Unplug it.

Kick it.

Burn it.

You now have the intellectual capability of the Obamaloon cabinet.


2 posted on 06/17/2009 11:53:30 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: mojito

Reagan’s “Peace Through Strength” doctrine is the only viable way of dealing with unstable dictatorial regimes. Look at the plethora of examples where this has proved true.

-Upon Reagan’s inauguration the Iranians released the hostages knowing the new President would not put up with their terrorism.

-Need I even say it, but the fall of the Soviet Union, most signified by the fall of the Berlin Wall.

-Qaddafi handing over his nuclear program to the Bush administration for fear of being removed from power, captured, tried, convicted, and executed like Saddam.

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Now look at Obama’s short but dangerously naive track record.

-Appease the Iranian extremists, and the Mullahs. Result: A stolen election, dashing the hopes for democratic reform in Iran.

-Appease the Arab world, and tell Israel they must surrender. Result: Egypt’s Mubarak rejecting peace with Israel as long as Israel remains a “Jewish state”.

-Appease North Korea. Result: Kim Jong-Il and his Kim Jong-Ilk detonate 1 nuclear weapon, lob dozens of missiles (scaring the bejesus out of their neighbors in the process), and threatening to detonate a 2nd nuke.


3 posted on 06/17/2009 11:54:36 AM PDT by AKSurprise ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: mojito

What policy?

Zero voted “Present.”


4 posted on 06/17/2009 11:54:55 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: Da Coyote
"Take a Microsoft-based computer"

I had to do a cold restart on my Mac Book Pro last just last night. I am finding all kinds of bugs since buying one. Meanwhile, my Windows 7 RC laptop is doing just fine.

5 posted on 06/17/2009 12:00:48 PM PDT by lormand (If you disagree with zero b. Hussein, you are worse than the KKK)
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To: mojito

Everyone is so excited for this putz Mousavi, when he is apparently even WORSE than Ahmadinejad on developing nuclear weapons


6 posted on 06/17/2009 12:01:15 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: mojito

Yes, and appeasements are always blunderpfarts.


7 posted on 06/17/2009 12:08:26 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: FreepShop1

I don’t anyone is too excited about Mousavi. I know I am more excited that there is a large portion of the Iranian populace that is willing to stand up to the mullahs and the ‘nut job’. That is what I would like to see continue to foster positive change.


8 posted on 06/17/2009 12:11:06 PM PDT by Hayzo
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To: FreepShop1

But he is keen to get rid of the Basiji and to provide increased press freedom and rights for women.

There’s a reason the Iranians are literally risking their lives for him, and it’s not “more of the same, please”.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 12:12:44 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: mojito

Time out for a silly question.

Would the average Iranian, if privately asked, trust the U.S. Army, to run an election for them?

They have proof of open fair elections, ran by the Army, right next door.


10 posted on 06/17/2009 12:13:35 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: mojito
Wanted: 'Hope' for Iran: Rarely in U.S. history has a foreign policy been so repudiated by events.

Let's see ... who is formulating our foreign policy? Hildabeast, Biden and zer0 - The New Three Stooges.

11 posted on 06/17/2009 12:23:43 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (A victim of 0bamunist 0ppression!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Rarely in U.S. history has a foreign policy been so repudiated by events.

Not all that rare.


12 posted on 06/17/2009 12:30:11 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Mark was here
The answer is in the follow-up question: would the Obama administration want to risk Americans asking, "If the American military can run a fair election in Iraq and Iran, why can't we have the military run a fair election here in 2010, given how many ACORN people have been indicted on fraud charges around the country, and Minnesota still hasn't finished counting their votes from 2008?"

-PJ

13 posted on 06/17/2009 12:30:42 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: FreepShop1
Everyone is so excited for this putz Mousavi, when he is apparently even WORSE than Ahmadinejad on developing nuclear weapons

Sources please......troll.

14 posted on 06/17/2009 12:35:15 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: FreepShop1
Everyone is so excited for this putz Mousavi, when he is apparently even WORSE than Ahmadinejad on developing nuclear weapons

Mossad said the same thing yesterday. By their estimation, Ahmadinnerjacket and Mousavi are on the same track, but they'd rather have the punk Ahmadinnerjacket because everyone hates him. IMO, the US is downplaying the situation because we want the same result. It's always easier to beat up a bully than a nice but psychotic kid.

15 posted on 06/17/2009 12:44:10 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: ScreamingFist
Sources please......troll.

Kiss my ass. I'm no troll you putz.

Barak: Mousavi is a fundamentalist too

Moussavi insists on continuing nuclear program

Mousavi follows the party line

IAEA: Ahmadinejad election rival launched Iran nuclear program

16 posted on 06/17/2009 12:49:03 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: agere_contra
But he is keen to get rid of the Basiji and to provide increased press freedom and rights for women. There’s a reason the Iranians are literally risking their lives for him, and it’s not “more of the same, please”.

I agree it is positive change in that regard--domestically, as was Gorbachev. But Mousavi is just as pro-nuke and anti-West as Ahmadinejad. And as with Gorbachev, who fought tooth and nail against Reagan and SDI, we must take whoever wins on with strength, and take out their reactors and processing facilities if need be.

The problem is that we have a president who is instead partial to appeasement, and a Mousavi victory will just make him appease them even more, and will make an Israeli strike nearly impossible.

17 posted on 06/17/2009 12:54:33 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: FreepShop1
Kiss my ass. I'm no troll you putz.

Yes, it's quit well known that the candidates are selected by the Supreme Leader. The Supreme Leader is having his personal militia shoot pro-Mousavi supporters dead, in the street. Try to add 2+2, and clean up that mouth troll.

18 posted on 06/17/2009 12:55:46 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: FreepShop1

No one can be worse on developing nuclear weapons than Ahmadinejad. You can be as bad but not worse.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 1:22:21 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: TheThinker
No one can be worse on developing nuclear weapons than Ahmadinejad. You can be as bad but not worse.

Read my links. Mousavi started the program. He has said "it can never be stopped". This may be the difference between Lenin and Trotsky, despite how fashionable his supports look.

20 posted on 06/17/2009 1:39:37 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: ScreamingFist
Yes, it's quit well known that the candidates are selected by the Supreme Leader. The Supreme Leader is having his personal militia shoot pro-Mousavi supporters dead, in the street. Try to add 2+2, and clean up that mouth troll.

As I have said, Mousavi is akin to Gorbachev. But they will continue apace with their drive for nukes no matter who wins the VP slot. Either way we are screwed because Obama is naive like a child.

21 posted on 06/17/2009 1:42:00 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: FreepShop1
But they will continue apace with their drive for nukes no matter who wins the VP slot.

I agree, Iran will go nuclear. Watching the events in the last few days gives me hope, perhaps the Persians don't want to be leveled by the Samson Option, we'll see. I apologize for calling you a troll, it's very difficult to tell these days...;)

22 posted on 06/17/2009 1:54:53 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: ScreamingFist
I apologize for calling you a troll, it's very difficult to tell these days...;)

I apologize for the language. that's what I get for spending 10 minutes reading DailyKos threads on DOMA.

23 posted on 06/17/2009 1:57:28 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: FreepShop1

The common perseption is that Sistani started the nuclear program.


24 posted on 06/18/2009 11:29:50 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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