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1 posted on 06/15/2009 2:07:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/15/2009 2:08:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/15/2009 2:08:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 06/15/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The earliest source is an anonymous church manual of the late first century called The Didache. It commands “thou shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten.” (at 2.2)

It isn't anonymous. The primary authors of the original core of the Didache were Paul and Barnabus. They wrote it in the 40's A.D. and it is a version of the sample sermon that wound up securing the historic agreement noted in Acts 15.

5 posted on 06/15/2009 2:13:21 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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" 'Thou shall not slay the child by procuring abortion; nor, again, shalt thou destroy it after it is born.' (19.5) The latter phrase refers to the ancient Greek and Roman practice of abandoning newborns to die in unpopulated areas if the baby was the 'wrong' sex or suspected of health problems. "

Just a side note here regarding that practice of "exposing" unwanted infants to the elements, or leaving them at temples or church steps at night. Some died; some were found and nurtured, or made slaves. The ones saved by priestesses or nuns were sometimes given the surname "Esposito" (exposed) on their birth records; others came to be known by the name "Schiavo", which means "slave."

8 posted on 06/15/2009 2:19:18 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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Just an observation for my Protestant brethren... what happened to Sola Scriptura? See 1 Tim 3:15.


9 posted on 06/15/2009 2:28:08 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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Good post. But before you hang your hats on the various writings of the early church fathers, consider that John related Christ’s assessment of the early Churches in the first 3 chapters of Revelation. Even by 90 A.D. a LOT of heresy had crept into the churches. They were already pulling the stunts we pull today.

Also note that in the world around them, child sacrifice was incorporated into a lot of “accepted” religions. This practice would have been so repugnant that explicit instructions regarding abortion would have hardly been necessary.


10 posted on 06/15/2009 2:35:20 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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17 posted on 06/15/2009 2:58:46 PM PDT by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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There was a plant which grew in north Africa that was an excellent abortifiacant. As it was unleathal to women who used it, and much in demand, eventually the plant became extinct.

Today we, including myself, see sexual intercourse and a resulting pregnancy as being a choice and therefore abortion is murder.

In the ancient world women were the property of men and had no choice option, such as “No”. One of the saddest archeological finds in Jerusalem was the skeletons of new born babies found in the sewers under ancient Roman-era brothels. The Christian belief that all life was sacred was indeed enlightened thinking, not just then but even now.


18 posted on 06/15/2009 3:01:56 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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Excellent points ... even the pagans knew abortion was wrong ... the Oath of Hippocrates (yes, the Hippocratic Oath) has the lines ... “I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.”


20 posted on 06/15/2009 3:10:30 PM PDT by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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Those poor early Christians really did not understand God as well as liberals in modern times.


24 posted on 06/15/2009 3:48:44 PM PDT by Raycpa
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Great article! A thorough and succinct refutation of the juvenile argument that abortion is not specifically prohibited.

For some rationalization aficionados, if they can't double-click on a black and white commandment to reveal more selfishly advantageous gray details, then they err on the side of personal convenience.

I love discussions/writings that dig deep whether for the purpose of upending assumptions or for revealing additional support leading from already concrete foundations.

So, I enjoyed the post.

But, I've gotta say that I find it difficult to believe any reasonable Christian, even when limited to strictly biblical text, could NOT be convinced that abortion is sin.

God names and speaks of knowing, communicating with and making future plans for unborn children - old testament and new. And, quite clearly, He is speaking of humans beings not non-viable tissue masses.

My favorite has to be in Luke. That is where the prophesied and promised (to his parents) John the Baptist was still what liberals would call a "choice", yet he excitedly acknowledges the presence of the recently conceived Jesus Christ while the newly pregnant Mary visits the six months showing Elisabeth.

Where would we be today if either of these fine women had succumbed to an evil thought and terminated what God so clearly considered identifiable individuals? Particularly, since one was actually His Son, I think God might not have approved the "choice".

The Father also actually "hated" Esau while he was yet in the womb, but He still did not drive Esau's mother to Planned (de)Parenthood so that she could concentrate on her career.

25 posted on 06/15/2009 4:30:34 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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**in the first three centuries after Jesus all Christian authors who mentioned abortion considered it a grave sin. This opposition was not merely local: Christian sources in Spain, Italy, Tunisia, Greece, Egypt, Turkey and Syria recognized abortion as forbidden by God and in the same category as any other murder. The condemnation was universal and unanimous.**

If only this were really true today.


26 posted on 06/15/2009 4:34:04 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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I just finished reading a series of books about life in Rome — novels by Francine Winters. One of the characters asks the Christian (not then revealed) slave to put the baby on the rocks to die.

Instead the slave girl takes him to a St. John’s community — yes, in Epesus.


27 posted on 06/15/2009 4:35:54 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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28 posted on 06/15/2009 4:37:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Consider the Hebrew Bible, in which you are not even supposed to spill your seed on the ground.


35 posted on 06/15/2009 6:35:35 PM PDT by firebrand
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FANTASTIC ARTICLE!!!!


37 posted on 06/15/2009 6:55:20 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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Great article, thank you. I’ll likely cut some pieces out of this and send it off to some of my “social justice” leaning friends.


40 posted on 06/16/2009 1:17:34 AM PDT by raynearhood ("Naysayers for Jesus" - Charter Member)
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43 posted on 06/16/2009 6:31:27 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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Yep,
Though it seems the new duckspeak is that the early church was just fine with abortion for the first trimester.
44 posted on 06/16/2009 6:34:36 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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