Posted on 06/10/2009 5:11:28 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on board the Air France flight that crashed in the Atlantic Ocean, killing all 228 on board, it has emerged.
French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.
Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.
There is a possibility that the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence," the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously."
A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L’Express that the link was "highly significant."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
And another piece falls into place.
I believe I saw a report tht there were two from Morocco and one from Lebanon listed as passengers.
This could get really interesting...
How many more cars could they possibly burn in france?
I remembered reading this in a comment on FR about a day after it happened. The passenger names were released except for two who were listed as country of unknown origin.
Don’t get on a plane with Muzzies.
I’m always suspicious anytime authorities with the help of the media, are way to eager to place blame on a “mechanical malfunction”, in this case an air speed indicator, and in the case of flight 800 a fuel tank explosion caused by a electrical short. It may end up being a mechanical problem, but they should wait until all the available facts are gathered.
Amish?
I don’t doubt it’s terrorism.
Could be either that something went wrong with the terrorists plans and they decided to bail early, or (what I’ve often thought) is that they are doing all these little terror acts that look like natural disasters to deflect attention from themselves and yet get good kill numbers, while they work on something else.
Or there’s the possibility that much of this stuff is terror related and we’re just being flat out lied to to avoid panic, or retaliation, or hurting certain industries, or demanding the border be closed, or any number of self-serving reasons by the government whose job it is to protect us and they aren’t.
Agree and well said.
Why would anyone rule ANYTHING out at this point?
Authorities do it because they're under pressure from higher-ups. Freepers do it because either, a) they like to show how not afraid of terrorism they are, or b) they're posting here with an agenda.
You should see some of the earlier threads on this. Anyone who didn't rule out terrorism was excoriated, ridiculed and oftentimes insulted by these people.
They won't be visiting this thread, I'm sure.
Someone should check to see if they have donated money to the Democrats.
Maybe some kind of device that jams the instruments, like a mini EMP.
Putting the links together finally.
Very interesting. And yeah, keeping a cool head in every direction is almost always the best SOP.
bttt
That’s going to disappoint people who wanted to blame AirBus.
From Sky News:
France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan.
Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the United States on September 11 2001.
Anyone who didn’t rule out terrorism was excoriated, ridiculed and oftentimes insulted by these people.
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Amen to that - I was one of many on the receiving end!!
I get so irritated every time I hear, after some significant and tragic event, that there is no evidence to point to terrorism (or words to that effect).
The statement is political, not factual. It is meant, I guess, to keep the sheeple in in the flock and not panicking. Nanny state stuff.
THERE IS NO WAY, IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE AFTERMATH OF THESE TRAGEDIES, THAT THEY CAN RULE TERRORISM OUT!
After all, sabotage can manifest itself as a catastrophic malfunction.
They were scheduled to be on that conference call with Hitlery Clinton.
If it was terrorism, why hasn’t anyone claimed credit yet? Two people don’t act alone in something like this. They would have been backed by a group who would want to claim credit.
Those crazy Amish again?
If it was terrorism, why are there no claims of responsibility by whatever group may have done it? What would be the point if nobody ever found out it was done on purpose?
It sure is suspicious that these guys were on the plane.
It takes our State Police longer to determine the root cause of a fatality car accident, that it does for the release of the cause of the airline crash statement by the powers that be. We could save a lot of time and money by having the FAA investigate car accidents.
And anybody who didn't firmly declare definitively that terrorism was the cause received the same treatment from the other side.
People get goofy on the internet.
I've said all along that we don't know enough yet. This news gives the bar a good shove towards terrorism, but we'll need to know more about the "connections." I would imagine any random sampling of 220 passengers on an international Air France flight might ring one or two bells.
The black boxes, bomb residue, firm terrorist connections, or some video tape proof (goodbye videos from the bombers or such) from al Qaeda would seal the deal.
Really? I didn't see one example of anyone being attacked for merely suggesting that it could be something other than terrorism.
You suggested that very thing... actually you went further and suggested it probably wasn't terrorism. Some of us disagreed with your assessment, given that there was no evidence of anything yet, but you certainly weren't attacked.
Norman Mineta would tell you that profiling passengers doesn’t help.
“If it was terrorism, why hasn’t anyone claimed credit yet? “
Terrorists don’t always “take credit”. To do so exposes the terror group to the risk of discovery, since the communications links will be investigated.
Also, they may get more mileage, spread more fear and confusion, if they don’t.
There are at least a hundred long threads here on FR that would be cut back to 50 posts if it was clear that terrorism was involved, and 40 of those posts would say “Itolyaso!”
Remember, steel can’t be melted by fire.
The telephone pole lost control, but was definitely not a terrorist, though speed may have been a factor.
The long skid marks leading up to teh wrecked car’s tires may have presented a slippery surface, causing the power steering unit to lose tracking.
The very severe thunderstorm is debatable.
I put together a list of unclaimed airline bombings on another thread. It's not at all unusual for them to not claim responsibility for attacks.
If this had been perpetrated by terrorists, why has no one taken “credit” yet?
I sure hope I'm wrong.
could the pilots have been involved?
The perplexing question that remains to me, is the fact that other planes in the area, did not end up the same way.
autopilot was engaged and manual pilot intervention replaced it.
how did they make such a bad mistake?
are we talking about passengers only?
what about ground crew, could they have sabotaged things?
terrorism doesn’t just mean a bomb you know..
Interesting. I guess I’ll never understand their mindset. What would be the poing of nobody knowing who did it and why?
“There is a possibility that the name similarities are simply a “macabre coincidence,””
Macabre coincidence? As if there aren’t 100 million Mohammeds and Achmeds.
I wonder how many have stopped to think that by not claiming responsibility, a terrorist group might do more economic damage to Airbus and Air France by letting it appear the crash was their fault (either or both), rather than a verified (claimed) act of terrorism.
A few extra uniforms around the boarding gates might offset the effects of terrorists' activity, but blaming design 'flaws'/limitations or sircraft maintennance/personnel problems might have a more deep seated effect on potential customers which would be far more damaging in the long run.
I dont really think terror had anything to do with this. Fact: No group has claimed responsibility. Its not hit the news. So nobodys objectives are achieved. I think it was just an unfortunate accident.
In the original list, there were 2 Syrians listed. Shortly after that, the 2 Syrians were removed from the list and the list had 2 missing spots.
The pitot-tube has been around for how long? And the mediots can blame it within days of the crash without flight recorders? Incredible.
Just because nobody claimed responsibility does not mean it wasn’t terrorism.
What if the group was planning other attacks? Do you really think they would make a claim?
That notion is absurd on its face.
It depends on the situation. Take the 1994 Philippine Air bombing by Ramzi Yousef. That went unclaimed because they were trying a new method (liquid bomb) that they intended to use on a grand scale (Operation Bojinka).
It could be something like that. It's been a long time since they've been able to successfully bring down a commercial plane in the western hemisphere (within striking distance of the US). If they've developed a new method that works, I could understand why they'd keep quiet about it for the time being.
That's just one possible scenario. There are others.
Why are they not claiming credit?
Either:
a) As typical of most martyrs, they believe they will find their reward in heaven.
OR (more likely)
b) This is a dry run for a much bigger “event”.
Combine this event with the Buenos Aires bomb scare a few days earlier— both on flights originating in Paris — and one might surmise that an operative in Paris is pre-planting bombs for return flights to Paris. This would mean the martyrs sole responsibility is to detonate the bomb.
THis definately changes everything.
I have been in the camp of this being an airframe failure due to over-stressing because of turbulance, updrafts, computer malfunction, mechanical malfunction. Every message the plane sent showed an aircraft facing problems which lead to break up. Combined with the weather they were flying in it seems to be a no brainer.
When they found the tail section in basically the same condition as the one that seperated from the Airbus in NYC, it seemed to sinch the theory that the computer or the pilots over-stressed the aircraft trying to save it and suffered the same type of catastrophic tail failure as that flight.
However, I have said all along that an internal device of some type could not be ruled out until a definitive answer was found.
I have to say that this revelation raised the likelihood of the failures being caused by something in the plane rather than external forces. At this point a small explosive device or an EMP emitter can no longer be ruled out.
The same final result - Rudder over limit causing tail failure - is probably still the most likely end for the aircraft, but the initial cause of the cascade of failures leading to that is now in doubt big time.
People don’t stop to think at all. This claim of responsibility nonsense is one of the most out-of-control myths I’ve ever seen. I guess this is what media conditioning can do.
You, and others, keep saying this. I guess you missed the list of unclaimed airplane bombings that have been posted on several threads, including this one, since this has happened.
The object of bombing a plane is to kill people, so I would say that IF terrorists brought down this plane they did indeed obtain their objectives.
Not all terrorists claim credit for terrorists acts, and there are several valid reasons why this is so. One of the most important is the fact they may be planning other strikes on more aircraft and don't want to claim credit at this time, another reason is: Why claim credit when fear can be imposed by simply bringing down as many planes as possible. It would soon be evident to even the most dense person that it was terrorism working.
I am not saying this crash was the result of terrorism, I am saying that simply because no one claimed credit doesn't mean it WASN'T terrorism, quite the contrary.
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