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White House Plan to Create 600K Jobs in 100 Days Won't Help Tech
Computer World ^ | June 8, 2009 | Patrick Thibodeau

Posted on 06/08/2009 6:59:32 PM PDT by anymouse

Tech layoffs will continue through year-end, survey says.

The real impact of the nearly $800 billion stimulus package on shrinking IT employment remains in the future, despite President Obama's plan, announced today, to expedite hiring of some 600,000 people over the next 100 days. Many of the jobs in this summer boost will be aimed at the construction and education fields and at young people.

Meanwhile, the forecast for the next six months is for more tech sector layoffs, according to a new survey.

Of the 1,900 technology recruiters and hiring managers queried about the tech labor market by jobs board Dice.com, 43% believe that layoffs are either "likely" or "very likely" over the next six months. The semi-annual survey also found that companies are giving themselves more time to vet candidates, extending the hiring process.

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Foote said IT companies will lead the U.S. out of a recession because of the role IT plays in new product creation, delivering services and other areas.

The White House jobs announcement today will create, among other things, 125,000 summer youth jobs, 135,000 teaching and support staff jobs, and will fund construction at Veterans Administration medical centers, new waste water and treatment systems, and clean-up of Superfund Sites.

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(Excerpt) Read more at computerworld.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: it; jobs; obama
All those California liberal techies are going to get a rude surprise.
1 posted on 06/08/2009 6:59:33 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

HA...like we would believe what Obomba says anyhoo....sheesh....yeah, and I have a great piece of lakefront property for sale in Arizona....


2 posted on 06/08/2009 7:00:36 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: anymouse

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1093-1.2-Million-Jobs-Promised,-0-Delivered.html


3 posted on 06/08/2009 7:01:03 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: anymouse

I’ll betcha they are ready to fill all those shovel ready projects building bridges and highways.


4 posted on 06/08/2009 7:02:17 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: FromLori

New Federal Hiring coming your way!


5 posted on 06/08/2009 7:02:59 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: anymouse

So filling out a welfare forms to get benefits is now considered a job.


6 posted on 06/08/2009 7:03:09 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: anymouse

Obama hates “Tech People”


7 posted on 06/08/2009 7:04:24 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Hey Obama how many Freedoms have you taken away from Americans today?)
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To: anymouse

It comes out to $1.3 million per job created. We’re not getting much bang for the buck here. I can’t say I’d turn down a $1.3 million job, though.


8 posted on 06/08/2009 7:05:05 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: anymouse
The real impact of the nearly $800 billion stimulus package on shrinking IT...

IT's always going to show some shrinkage.

9 posted on 06/08/2009 7:07:06 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: anymouse

>> [Bambi’s] plan, announced today, to expedite hiring of some 600,000 people over the next 100 days.

ROFLMAO!

Doing WHAT??!? Taking the census? Man, I’m in the wrong racket.

Unfortunately, I can’t expect to get hired on with the gubmint... I’m the wrong color, AND the wrong gender. NO SOUP FOR ME!!!


10 posted on 06/08/2009 7:07:18 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: anymouse
Survey says:

Many of the jobs in this summer boost will be aimed at the construction and education fields and at young people Obama voters.

11 posted on 06/08/2009 7:07:19 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: anymouse

Do the math:

1st 100 days = an alleged 150,000 jobs created and nearly 2,000,000+ lost.

2nd 100 days = an alleged 600,000 jobs to be created...

Barry, your math is not and has not been adding up!
No doubt, reality in the White House is not the same reality that ‘we’ the average everyday people see, kkthx.....moron.


12 posted on 06/08/2009 7:07:33 PM PDT by cranked
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To: ShadowAce

filing


13 posted on 06/08/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: exDemMom

“It comes out to $1.3 million per job created.”

.....it would be more effective to start throwing cash out of helicopters.


14 posted on 06/08/2009 7:08:52 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: anymouse

Tech is filled with Libs and thousands of them were on the message boards pulling out all the stops to get Hussein elected. Let em eat cake.


15 posted on 06/08/2009 7:09:18 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: jedi150

>> New Federal Hiring coming your way!

Didn’t Bambi promise us that only a small fraction of the jobs he “created” would be gubmint jobs?


16 posted on 06/08/2009 7:09:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: anymouse

When the DOD gets whacked, California is the first to get hit. But hey, a new sidewalk around Palmdale should look nice.


17 posted on 06/08/2009 7:14:40 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Frantzie
Tech is filled with Libs and thousands of them were on the message boards pulling out all the stops to get Hussein elected. Let em eat cake.

Agreed. For being technically-bright, most of them were easily fooled with the Jon-Stewart-coolness of voting for the hip, suave jive-talkin' black dude over some pasty, out-of-touch honky with jowly cheeks who can't even work a keyboard (despite injuries incurred while proudly serving his country).

Fortunately though, the Tech Sector also has a lot of closet conservatives that would rather be silent and let the fools figure it out on their own. If they can.

18 posted on 06/08/2009 7:15:37 PM PDT by kromike
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To: kromike

Very true. It is almost like Hollywood. People in tech who are conservative have to be very quiet. The same thing is true in any union job, which I have never held. The unions purposely try to find anyone who is not a Dem and drive them out.


19 posted on 06/08/2009 7:21:22 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: anymouse

I did a quick search of IT on Careerbuilder.com and over 60,000 IT jobs popped up. I see well over a 200 new faces in new slots at my shop.

Plus there is a constant game of musical chair people voluntarily (and some nudged) for better jobs elsewhere with people from other positions coming to fill the vacant position. Some positions stay vacant a long time because nobody qualified applies for them. I constantly have recruiters phone and email pleading for me to jump to fill a position they are having a hard time filling.

I’m not saying we have utopia. It actually takes effort to find a job. ... and brains. If one can’t find a job in IT how are they going to find the user requirements once they have the job?

The false language is that nobody will GIVE somebody a job. The only ones that are GIVEN are those to nephews and son-in-laws. Everybody else has to WORK to get the job.


20 posted on 06/08/2009 7:23:36 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: kromike

tech has a lot of conservatives/libertarians who could not vote for either candidate.

tech is dominated by two types of people
1) Elitist technocrats who believe in central planning by the smartest ... them.

2) Those with humility that realize it is the centrally planned tech projects that fail... which is most of them.


21 posted on 06/08/2009 7:28:45 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: anymouse

If there are 2.5 million unemployed that is $320,000 each if they spend $800 billion.

That’s totally obscene!!!


22 posted on 06/08/2009 7:29:46 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: anymouse
Some of the techies aren't liberal and aren't in California. It's not a rude surprise. It's looking for a new job when your old job has a pile of work to do and no money to pay for it. The only "shovel ready" work that gets funded is work done with shovels. Obama voters make a living with shovels. The proletariat must be appeased.
23 posted on 06/08/2009 7:34:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: spintreebob
I did a quick search of IT on Careerbuilder.com and over 60,000 IT jobs popped up. I see well over a 200 new faces in new slots at my shop.

There's lots of jobs open...thousands of miles from where I live. I've played the game a few times. Abandon the family and earn a paycheck. I return to find my kids and dogs misbehaving. Most employers want you physically on site. The closest city with any decent tech jobs in Idaho Falls. It's 50 miles one way. I'm willing to make the drive. The commute alone is $1,000 per month.

24 posted on 06/08/2009 7:41:25 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: STONEWALLS

Funny, my 16yo son said something similar when the bailouts were first being discussed. He said it made far more sense to just give every American 1 million dollars. There’d be no toxic debt, housing or credit based, and the economy would start moving again with an influx of cash to entrepreneurs, and families.

But helicopters...hmmmm .....every (wo)man for him/erself. I kinda like that ;)


25 posted on 06/08/2009 7:55:15 PM PDT by softengine (Betrayal and Hypocrisy play on both sides of the fence.......but no one will admit it.)
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26 posted on 06/08/2009 7:59:03 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: anymouse
I saw a report that stated most of the laid-off wre White males. How wonderful.

Explosive Video Reich, Obamas economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"

27 posted on 06/08/2009 8:16:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: anymouse

He actually “create or save” that many jobs. What that means, I don’t know but it’ll never happen.


28 posted on 06/08/2009 8:39:20 PM PDT by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: elpadre

WPA redo.


29 posted on 06/08/2009 8:42:26 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: Myrddin

I work in Bloomington, IL, 120 miles from my home in Chicago burbs. So I bought a house near my job and live 2 places. I have the advantage that my kids are in their 20s.

But when they were younger I took some out-of-town gigs in MN and KS. Yes, it was difficult. But it was better than going on unemployment comp.

We choose where we live, what skills we acquire and other aspects of our economic situation. We can’t make those choices and then use them as excuses.

The “work from home” jobs do exist in IT. But they certainly aren’t as numerous as the “on site” jobs. But times can change. Many companies are bring offshored jobs back to the USA. In doing so, some are still willing to accept “off site but not offshore” as a compromise ... if the person has the skills ... not the least of which is the ability to communicate in American English as opposed to difficult to understand English. A major reason for bringing the offshored jobs back here is the problems caused by poor communication.


30 posted on 06/09/2009 10:14:25 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
I've been through the task of screening 400 applicants for 7 openings. Lots of H1B types with poor English, puffed up resumes and just plain lack of ability. It gets even harder when it is offshore with a 12 hour timezone offset and vastly different cultural expectations.

I'm trying to negotiate a means of spreading my remaining 318 hours of vacation through October. That means taking a 70% cut in income to keep my foot in the door. The hours are all vacation, so I'm free to fill in with other work. Resuming my current income in October is superior to anything I can find locally.

31 posted on 06/09/2009 7:38:51 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

What I see at consulting clients is a frequent quote in IT magazines, white papers:

“projects are canceled just because we don’t have the
skill set internally,” says its director of operations.

“That’s going to affect the business, because the business folks are saying that they have a bright idea and they want to make it happen. It’s frustrating, because things are canceled or put on hold and it takes us longer to come to market with products or services or ways of supporting our customers.”

An IT shop has budget for 3 projects. Each project manager tries to staff-up. Each only partially succeeds. So one project is killed. One project is offshored. The surviving project then gets the onshore manpower of the other two projects (including a mix of citizens, legal and illegal immigrants). I’ve been brought in as a consultant for projects where I walk in the door for my first day and discover I’m working for a different manager and/or different project than I was interviewed and contracted for. I see it with my co-workers both employees and consultants. They think their going to be working on X but end up working on Y.


32 posted on 06/10/2009 9:53:18 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
When I was at PacBell, I essentially had my own little "Bellcore" going in San Diego. There were many high risk, high reward, short fuse tasks that Bellcore simply couldn't accommodate. Their organizational inertia couldn't get the first meeting scheduled in the time I could completely solve the problem. Over a 6 year period, I returned $6 in expense savings for every $1 spent on my activities. It was lots of fun...until PacBell adopted the public company/focus on next quarter attitude. That resulted in early retirement of 6,000 employees in Dec 1991. I left with mixed emotions. I loved what I was doing, but realized that those days were over. The new crew at the executive level was driven only by next quarter's results. Over 360 major IT projects went in the trash can. Attempts to outsource them were mostly met with failure as the necessary expertise and corporate memory went out the door in Dec 1991.

It's sad to see your quotes. Especially given my prior history. It's also frustrating to be "managed" by people who don't have a clue about managing technical projects. They don't understand that the staff needs to eat even in lean times. When they finally get around to funding tasks, all the expertise has hit the bricks for any means of keeping food on the table. They have money and no staff to do the job.

33 posted on 06/10/2009 6:31:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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