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Some Colleges Bar Even Talking About Right to Bear Arms, Gun Advocates Say
fox news.com ^ | 4 June, 2009 | Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

Posted on 06/05/2009 5:39:33 AM PDT by marktwain

WASHINGTON — The First Amendment guarantees Americans the right to free speech. The Second Amendment guarantees the right to possess firearms.

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Many gun-rights advocates are arguing that college campuses, which are supposed to be open to diversity of thought, provocative dialogue, politics and protest, are hardly bastions of free speech when it comes to discussing firearms.

"The fact is, the topic is so explosive," said Robert Shibley, spokesman for the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), which tracks discriminatory practices against students involved in conservative issues on campus. They've been dealing with "more and more" complaints about efforts to "squelch gun speech," he said.

The latest flareup involves Christine Brashier, who says officials at the Community College of Allegheny County (CCAC) violated her First Amendment right to free speech when they stopped her from posting and distributing fliers advocating for concealed carry on campus, and for a new chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) at the college. The group has about a dozen chapters on other Pennsylvania campuses, Shibley said.

"I genuinely wanted to start discussion on the topic," Brasier told FOXNews.com this week. " I am not such an avid gun owner as much of the news has made me out to be — I simply believe in liberty and that college is the place for a debate about important issues such as this one."

Brashier, 24, who is a freshman at the school, said she worked for the last three years in a law office, and before that, as an assistant manager at a convenience store, which was robbed at gunpoint twice while she worked there. She is licensed to carry a concealed weapon in Pennsylvania, but school policy prevents her from carrying it on campus.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academia; banglist; campus; ccw; education; liberals; sccc
Yes, there is "free speech", as long as you follow our procedures. I think, even in the Soviet Union or NAZI Germany, you had "free speech" as long as you followed procedures and "modified your materials" to meet the standards of the State.
1 posted on 06/05/2009 5:39:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Free speech only applies to perverted sexual acts.


2 posted on 06/05/2009 5:40:26 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: marktwain

“Free speech” is kinda like “free universal healthcare”, or “free and unrestricted voting”, or “no hidden charges”, or “democratic leadership”, or “we are here to help you”, or “natural tars and nicotine”, or “all men are created free”.

It’s best to consider these thoughts with “pure Tennessee distilled whiskey” (at least you can’t go wrong on that).


3 posted on 06/05/2009 5:45:11 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: marktwain

Where are all those people who fought for free speech on campus in the 1960’s?


4 posted on 06/05/2009 5:50:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

If you were there, that was about the *need* for everyone to hear constant f-words and the like and the *right* of the Movement to use those words in all situations. It was not about an unlimited right to any speech, especially speech that disagreed with the Movement leaders.


5 posted on 06/05/2009 5:57:52 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Are we at high crimes or misdemeanors, yet?)
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To: marktwain
Wear these to school:


6 posted on 06/05/2009 6:02:41 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: marktwain
The issue is not explosive. It is that liberals rarely have truth or facts on their side of an argument so they scream, yell, and do whatever it takes to stop all debate so they are not found out to have no intellect unlike what they like to dream they have.
7 posted on 06/05/2009 6:16:33 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: reformedliberal

Originall, it was about the right to bring left wing speakers on campus, but it quickly deteriorated into the right to use obscenity on campus.

I remember that an independent student publication at Penn State used, as its front page picture, that one from the album cover of John and Yoko au natural. The editors were arrested for public obscenity, sparking huge campus wide protests.

At my school, Albright College, there was a protest, in which I am embarrassed to say, I enthusiastically participated, over the firing of two school newpaper editors who used the “f” words in an editorial.

The free speech movement was always about free speech for me, not for thee. This fits nicely into the socialist position toward free speech - under socialism, they believe, everyone is so ecstatically happy and contented, that free speech is not necessary. The reality is always much different.


8 posted on 06/05/2009 6:29:23 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

“Where are all those people who fought for free speech on campus in the 1960’s?”

At”Free Speech Corner” at Berkley, probably the most famous spot in the Free Speech world of the 60’s, only those that agreed with the “Free Speech Dictator” of the corner were allowed to speak. This was the left’s training ground where they learned from the Fascist’s and perfected their PC model for the future.


9 posted on 06/05/2009 6:50:28 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy)
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To: marktwain

TO: Sec. Helen Thomas
SUBJECT: Draft Intro. for State University Student Union Syllabus

“Welcome 1st Year students—Your taxpayer supported university is a `marketplace of ideas’!
Unfortunately, your Union bookstore happens to be out of anything related to the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendments, as well as other items infrequently requested by Faculty, and it doesn’t know when it will re-stock. So don’t go there ...
But feel free to buy as many of any other texts and materials as you want, as long as shown on the approved reading list, and assuming they satisfy official administration propaganda orthodoxy and unofficial faculty peer pressures.”

Helen: would you `clean this up’ and send it to the printers?
Dean I.M. Kookie


10 posted on 06/05/2009 7:05:10 AM PDT by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Our "institutions of higher learning" have become little more than indoctrination centers.

Liberal fascism marches on.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

11 posted on 06/05/2009 7:42:32 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

The molding of those little socialist robots begins in elementary school.

Something evil this way comes as “What is past is prologue.”

“What good fortune for the state that people do not think!”
Adolph Hitler 1933
(Did Hitler know the Obama voters?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7lGqWRnls

When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
Adolph Hitler Speech November 1933

(After multiple generations of indoctrination of our kids in the government schools, Obama – or a Marxist clone of him — was inevitable.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0lR1KQq2-U

“The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
Albert Einstein


12 posted on 06/05/2009 8:04:43 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Joe Brower

Wake Up America!


13 posted on 06/05/2009 8:29:43 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Dick Bachert
"What good fortune for rulers, that the people do not think."

-Adolf Hitler

14 posted on 06/05/2009 8:35:50 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: marktwain

Just pass out the flyers anyway. If they kick you out, go to Utah and tell them why you were kicked out.


15 posted on 06/05/2009 10:47:40 AM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: marktwain

Any pic’s? My son is looking for a girl to date who understands the definition of liberty.


16 posted on 06/05/2009 10:49:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: marktwain
Our founding fathers would not be welcome on these campuses.

A growing number of people have substituted perception for perspective.

As long as schools are gun free, they will be a magnet for homicidal maniacs. The left know this but they had rather be in danger rather than allow someone to exercise their Constitutional Right of security..

17 posted on 06/05/2009 5:25:59 PM PDT by oyez (To the extent veterans read it as an accusation -- and apology is owed(i.e. not given))
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To: OldMissileer

See the video clip narrated by Andrew Klavan, titled (I rhink)”Shut Up.”


18 posted on 06/05/2009 6:10:50 PM PDT by El Gringo (Adelante, con ganas.)
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To: Rebelbase

19 posted on 06/05/2009 8:06:40 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Manic_Episode

When I wore that shirt some years back, a lady tapped me on the shoulder and said her Husband wanted to know where I got it.

Her Husband was a retired Editor from Guns and Ammo Magazine.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 8:17:31 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (One Man's Messiah is another Man's Fuhrer...)
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To: marktwain

To all readers of Marktwain’s post: Read Chapter 3 of ebook ‘Bye-Bye Sweet liberty’ to learn about guns on the campus of University of Arizona when we lived in a free country. ——JWThinkwright.
PS: Google ‘Bye-Bye Sweet Liberty,’ and find Chapter 3.


21 posted on 06/06/2009 8:29:06 AM PDT by El Gringo (Adelante, con ganas.)
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To: El Gringo

Here is the Link to the Andrew Klavan video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s


22 posted on 06/07/2009 6:58:05 AM PDT by El Gringo (Adelante, con ganas.)
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