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United Airlines to replace its wide-body fleet
MarketWatch ^ | June 4, 2009 | Christopher Hinton

Posted on 06/04/2009 9:05:43 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- United Airlines operator UAL Corp. said Thursday that it has sent a proposal request to Boeing Co. and Airbus, as the carrier plans to begin replacing its wide-body fleet.

In a letter to employees, Chairman and Chief Executive Glenn Tilton said the request could result in a "significant" number of new planes. At the end of 2008, UAL owned 80 wide-body jets and leased an additional 34.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: airbus; airlines; airplanes; aviation; boeing; business; planes; ual; united
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787s?
1 posted on 06/04/2009 9:05:44 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Don’t buy any plastic bodied, or tailed planes.


2 posted on 06/04/2009 9:12:28 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Forget those puny wide bodies. Roll the
morbidly obese bodies onto the tarmac.


3 posted on 06/04/2009 9:12:40 AM PDT by HelenChicago
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To: Paladin2

So only antiques eh?


4 posted on 06/04/2009 9:14:34 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

777s aren’t antique.


5 posted on 06/04/2009 9:18:34 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Probably a mixture of 787s and 777s, and maaayyyyybe the 747-8 if that ever gets off the drawing board.

I’m actually surprised United has that many widebody jets in service. They’ve got a fair number of 10ish-year-old 747-400s stashed out in the desert, or they did a year or two ago anyway.

}:-)4


6 posted on 06/04/2009 9:18:37 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey RNC. Don't move toward the middle. MOVE THE MIDDLE TOWARD YOU.)
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To: TalonDJ
447, 587.

QED.

7 posted on 06/04/2009 9:21:02 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
With this news, President Obama must be ecstatic.

United will collapse financially in two years, and he can take over yet another corporation he really doesn't want to...

8 posted on 06/04/2009 9:28:22 AM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Upgrade their fleets huh?

I wonder when the airlines will start compensating everyone they dust with their jet exhaust every day of the year?

Can’t imagine living under or adjacent to a take off or approach, while the fat cats in these companies count their profits.

Saw a video once that showed in IR, the exhaust patter of jets on take off over cities and towns. Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.


9 posted on 06/04/2009 9:29:05 AM PDT by dragnet2
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Er, exhaust pattern....


10 posted on 06/04/2009 9:29:48 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Can’t imagine living under or adjacent to a take off or approach, while the fat cats in these companies count their profits.

Get laid-off by an airline or an airplane manufacturer?

11 posted on 06/04/2009 9:31:21 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Moose4

Doubtful any 747-8 gets ordered by an American airline. Not even a token. Simply too hard to fill, reliably. The 777 will remain the long haul standard. It’s economics can’t be beat, not even by the upcoming A350XWB (less fuel burn but fewer pax and cargo;777 can also benefit with engine update). The few A380s out are not flying near capacity.


12 posted on 06/04/2009 9:31:30 AM PDT by IDFbunny
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To: dragnet2
fat cats

Chip on your shoulder?

13 posted on 06/04/2009 9:32:08 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: dragnet2
Planes seem to run slightly rich on takeoff and do coat your vehicle in the surface lot at the airport with a nice coating of unburned Jet A.

Butt hay, it's organic.

14 posted on 06/04/2009 9:33:03 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: okie01

No, and I don’t live on an approach either. lol...

If I can find the video I’ll post it.

You work for an airlines?


15 posted on 06/04/2009 9:35:07 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

United Airlines is still in business?!?

I’d figure their high ticket prices, surly staff, low on-time rate, and just generally poor service would have finally caught up with them by now.


16 posted on 06/04/2009 9:35:43 AM PDT by EricT. ("Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government." -George Washington)
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To: SteamShovel
I wonder when the airlines will start compensating everyone they dust with their jet exhaust every day of the year?

Can’t imagine living under or adjacent to a take off or approach, while the fat cats in these companies count their profits.

Saw a video once that showed in IR, the exhaust patter of jets on take off over cities and towns. Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.

Chip on your shoulder?

Oh, perfect response!!! Blame me for bringing this up. LOL!

17 posted on 06/04/2009 9:36:48 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
No, I don't work for an airline. Nor do I live near an airport.

And I'm familiar with the faint trail of jet exhaust that's visible in the approach and take-off pattern. It's less offensive than the smell of an upwind alfalfa mill or a swine barn -- which I've learned to live with because it is a legitimate commercial activity.

Just like the airlines...

18 posted on 06/04/2009 9:39:10 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: EricT.
I’d figure their high ticket prices, surly staff, low on-time rate, and just generally poor service would have finally caught up with them by now.

The Obamassiah will not let United fail; they're the one commercial enterprise that makes the Department Of Licensing look good!

19 posted on 06/04/2009 9:42:50 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: okie01
It's less offensive than the smell of an upwind alfalfa mill or a swine barn

lol...

Ya know what's funny, they're going to stick everyone in tiny battery powered go-carts and increase pollution restrictions on all the stupid peons, while the airlines dust entire populations with their jet exhaust. Too funny!

20 posted on 06/04/2009 9:44:36 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Message to United:

IF IT AIN'T BOEING I AIN'T GOING!

21 posted on 06/04/2009 9:47:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Secret Agent Man

They have a composite rudder.


22 posted on 06/04/2009 9:54:41 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I remember reading somewhere (Popular Science?) that wide-bodied planes have ZERO survivability chances of a water landing. The body structure is too weak to handle a landing like that of the narrow-bodied plane on the Hudson River a couple of months ago.

In other words, the rafts and the life-jackets are useless on such planes.


23 posted on 06/04/2009 9:55:35 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: dragnet2
Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.

Yeah it is full of mind altering drugs too. woooo scary.
24 posted on 06/04/2009 9:56:30 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: dragnet2
“Saw a video once that showed in IR, the exhaust patter of jets on take off over cities and towns. Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.”

If you don't like it move, I consider it non harmful, in fact I believe in consuming so called carcinogens to keep the immune system on ready alert!

The sickest people I have ever known are the most fastidious and clean people.

25 posted on 06/04/2009 9:56:48 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

hehe. Tell me another one.


26 posted on 06/04/2009 9:57:28 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: dalereed
I consider it non harmful, in fact I believe in consuming so called carcinogens to keep the immune system on ready alert!

That's why I smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day, just to keep in top shape.

27 posted on 06/04/2009 10:00:20 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I wonder when the airlines will start compensating everyone they dust with their jet exhaust every day of the year?


Huh?

You mean people who decided to buy houses near airports?


28 posted on 06/04/2009 10:00:42 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: TalonDJ

Have you heard about the same, too?


29 posted on 06/04/2009 10:02:38 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: dragnet2

Saw a video once that showed in IR, the exhaust patter of jets on take off over cities and towns. Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.


How does hot air (the only thing detected by IR) rain down?

I thought hot air rises?


30 posted on 06/04/2009 10:02:42 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: dragnet2
I wonder when the airlines will start compensating everyone they dust with their jet exhaust every day of the year?

Right after you compensate everyone for your car exhaust.
31 posted on 06/04/2009 10:03:07 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Beelzebubba
Huh? You mean people who decided to buy houses near airports?

Yeah, these these fools don't realize the engines are turned off within 2 miles of landing patterns and approaches.

32 posted on 06/04/2009 10:04:22 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

I remember reading somewhere (Popular Science?) that wide-bodied planes have ZERO survivability chances of a water landing.


The fact that we don’t have any data to confirm or refute this is damn strong evidence of the safety of wide-body planes.


33 posted on 06/04/2009 10:04:28 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: dragnet2
Pretty scary considering this crap rains down on these people almost 24/7.

Jet exhaust is a good thing.

"Smells like...victory"


34 posted on 06/04/2009 10:04:45 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: okie01
And I'm familiar with the faint trail of jet exhaust that's visible in the approach and take-off pattern. It's less offensive than the smell of an upwind alfalfa mill or a swine barn -- which I've learned to live with because it is a legitimate commercial activity.

It sure beats having to deal with the smell of horse dung all over the place like we did before the automobile.

35 posted on 06/04/2009 10:06:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (USM is Gator Bait! (Congrats to U-Dub!))
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To: EricT.
high ticket prices, surly staff, low on-time rate, and just generally poor service

You're thinking of American, uh, I mean Northwest, or, I'm sorry, Delta. Come to think of it, they all suck in each of those areas.

36 posted on 06/04/2009 10:08:13 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

FLY AIRBUS.

37 posted on 06/04/2009 10:08:33 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: dragnet2

You sound awfully loony here.


38 posted on 06/04/2009 10:08:48 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Kozak
Right after you compensate everyone for your car exhaust.

In case ya haven't noticed, the feds and states are in the process of sticking you in mini cooper sized, battery powered, golf cart. It's coming.

You and me will be forced to pay one way or another, with endless taxes and restrictions. Meanwhile, those that sell tickets by the millions for profit, and pay off the local politicians and feds, will continue to fly the friendly sky's.

39 posted on 06/04/2009 10:12:52 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Beelzebubba
You sound awfully loony here.

So it's OK if I piped over exhaust ducting from my business, directly over the top of your house?

You'd be good with that right?

Of course you would!

40 posted on 06/04/2009 10:18:13 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Moose4

I didn’t know they had any.


41 posted on 06/04/2009 10:26:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: dfwgator
It sure beats having to deal with the smell of horse dung all over the place like we did before the automobile.

Ain't it strange how the enviros never give credit to the automobile as being responsible for the greatest enviromental advance in history?

42 posted on 06/04/2009 10:37:45 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Hardastarboard

Yes, but United is the only one of those that overbooked my first flight and bumped me off, left me in O’Hare waiting for a connecting flight for 8 hours, canceled my return flight, and ended up putting me on American Airlines 12 hours later to get me home after I finally lost my temper and raised hell. The agents didn’t like my observations that Southwest didn’t seem to have any trouble that weekend; their planes were taking off on time every 5-10 minutes.

Turned out to be a mechanic’s union work slowdown, but United offered us passengers no explanations at all... just vague lies.

I’ll never willingly fly United again. Piss on the whole frigging lot of them.


43 posted on 06/04/2009 10:38:32 AM PDT by EricT. ("Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government." -George Washington)
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To: dragnet2

Yes, you really are loony.


44 posted on 06/04/2009 10:55:55 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: dragnet2

Since when do airlines make a profit??


45 posted on 06/04/2009 10:58:29 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Hardastarboard

We’ve been generally happy with American, except for the DFW gate agent who rudely refused our first-class boarding passes, and put us in coach. Then when we squawked, he suggested we go to the ticket counter (outside security) when the flight was going to depart in 20 minutes. He then refused to show his badge or reveal his last name so we could report him.


46 posted on 06/04/2009 10:58:43 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Flew from Dullas to Amsterdam on a UA 777-222 in feb. Its not an ancient design, but this 777 looked like it had been ridden hard and put up wet.


47 posted on 06/04/2009 11:06:32 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: ChinaThreat

well, remember that the inside configurations are decided on and maintained by each particular airline. That’s not Boeing’s own decision. And how well they take care of it is up to the airlines as well.


48 posted on 06/04/2009 11:13:03 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“well, remember that the inside configurations are decided on and maintained by each particular airline. That’s not Boeing’s own decision. And how well they take care of it is up to the airlines as well.”

Good point. This particular one was still in the old paint scheme. I didn’t get the tail# but most of them have been in service since early to mid 90s. It was probably slated to go back to get refurbished. Important thing was, that it got me across the pond in one piece. Thats all i really care about anyway.


49 posted on 06/04/2009 11:58:52 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: Secret Agent Man

And most of my flying in the last 10 years has been domestic Northwest flights. A lot on DC-9s older than me....lol. They still had the ashtrays in the arm rests....lol.


50 posted on 06/04/2009 12:00:15 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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