Dr. George Tiller: a physician who helped people in "desperate circumstances"(Freepers are "swill")

Blue Oregon.com ^ | June 1, 2009 | Carla Axtman

[pissant]

The murder over the weekend of Dr. George Tiller, one of a handful of physicians who performed late-term abortion, is an absolute tragedy. As Kristen wrote yesterday, many are in mourning and angry over this disgusting and hate-filled act.

This was an act of political aggression against a doctor who helped people who were in absolutely desperate circumstances:

Anti-choice activists often cast late-term abortions as the murder of a viable baby at the whim of a woman who doesn't wish to be inconvenienced, carried out by a doctor who looks at her and sees only cartoon dollar signs. They're egged on by relatively mainstream figures like Bill O'Reilly, who declared that Dr. Tiller "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." Such misinformation and outright lies about procedures that are in fact rare and only performed when medically necessary are what led anti-choice activists to call Tiller "America's Doctor of Death," and accuse him of running a "murder mill." The reality of what Dr. Tiller did, however -- helping women in absolutely desperate circumstances, when almost no one else would -- is what led one woman who had to terminate a wanted pregnancy because of a terrible late-term diagnosis to call the doctor and staff at his Women's Health Center "our heaven when we were living in hell."

This was a man who was treating patients in dire need of help. His cold-blooded murder for what looks like political and religious reasons is revolting. The justifications for his murder by the repugnant Randall Terry and the swill that is Free Republic are a stark reminder that the Americanized version of the Taliban are alive and well.

[pissant]

I'm sure the dingbat Carla's next piece will be about the murdered Army recruiter and jihadi that killed him. And the jihadi enablers (also known as Obama voters). Right Carla?

[pray4liberty]

“helped people”??? No he helped himself....to all that blood ca$h at $5,000 a pop.

[ArrogantBustard]

The reality of what Dr. Tiller did, however was that he shredded live babies with a dull knife.

I wonder how many of Carla's babies similarly got shredded with a dull knife.

[y6162]

“The reality of what Dr. Tiller did, however — helping women in absolutely desperate circumstances, when almost no one else would”

Gee I wonder why no one else would help? Odd, huh?

[yldstrk]

a man who killed little ones in desperate circumstances — the circumstances being their mothers wished them dead

you realize of course it was legal to kill Jews in Poland — but it wasn’t right

[Neidermeyer]

Bill O’Reilly, who declared that Dr. Tiller “destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000.” Such misinformation and outright lies...
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The only misinformation is the price quoted ... he often charged up to $10,000 if it was a really late abortion.

[vpintheak]

Carla you are dumber than dog crap. And I mean that sincerely.

[GOP_Raider]

a doctor who helped people who were in absolutely desperate circumstances

Killing a child because you couldn't keep your legs shut is not a "desperate circumstance". Well, I shouldn't say that. Maybe to the narcissist it is but to normal people...not so much.

[bcsco]

This was an act of political aggression against a doctor who helped people who were in absolutely desperate circumstances...

I suppose Carla is referring to the babies who's lives were terminated. Oh, wait...

Yeah, a woman who wants to be able to do her 'thing' without the result of motherhood is in a desperate circumstance. Disgusting.

[TribalPrincess2U]

One commenter there said, “Tiller did not kill babies, he preformed a service for desperate women or something to that effect.

#1. YES, YES he did. It has been explained just how he did it. Sucking brains out of a live human is killing.
#2. If one would be so desperate if they got pregnant, USE A CONDOM
or some form of birth control.

[FatherofFive]

activists often cast late-term abortions as the murder of a viable baby at the whim of a woman who doesn't wish to be inconvenienced, carried out by a doctor who looks at her and sees only cartoon dollar signs.

This is BS!

The doctor sees real money.

[Thebaddog]

I know a couple on my block that waited 3 years to adopt a baby. I know a famous judge here in Chicago who adopted a crack baby and the kid is thriving. IU believe that a family could have been found for a baby who would become a late term victim of political agendas.

[the invisib1e hand]

helping women in absolutely desperate circumstances, when almost no one else would -- is what led one woman who had to terminate a wanted pregnancy because of a terrible late-term diagnosis to call the doctor and staff at his Women's Health Center "our heaven when we were living in hell."

That's about as upside-down as it gets.

[DuncanWaring]

It was also legal once upon a time for one man to own another as property — but it wasn’t right.

[DonaldC]

I am still amazed he had such a standing in a church to have a position, even an usher. I think a church should welcome anyone and most do, but to be given a position while doing something like abortion for a living is incredible to me.

[the invisib1e hand]

#2. If one would be so desperate if they got pregnant, USE A CONDOM or some form of birth control.

isn't chastity an option?

[mlizzy]

Out of all the articles I’ve read about Tiller and his killer, I haven’t read where exactly the bullet entered the body of the good doctor. His head? His heart?

[MrB]

What desperate circumstance or dire need could they have

that wouldn’t have been equally addressed by adopting out their child after birth?

[yldstrk]

damn good point

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

I heard it was between 5 and 21K...at 5K for 60,000 abortions that is about 300 mil.. not sure if I am right on the numbers...

I have talked to my doctor friends, who say at that point in the trimester it is almost never needed to do an abortion to save the mother’s life.

[yldstrk]

KC Red Star says he was shot in the face one time

[MrB]

isn't chastity an option

In talking with libs, this isn't even a viable option. It just CAN'T be done, for some reason, in their "logic".

[AirForceMom]

“one of a handful of physicians who performed late-term abortion”

If it isn’t so morally repulsive why are there only a “handful” who will perform late term abortions?

[A message]

Carla Axtman is a sick mentally disturbed person to consider Tiller a hero and martyr.

[PressurePoint]

From the article:

disgusting and hate-filled act

This was an act of political aggression

Conservatives roundly denounce murder for any reason.

But oddly, there are no cries from the left that we "must seek to understand what drives a person to this level of violence" or pleas to "show respect" to anti-abortion advocates so we might avoid this in the future, or my personal favorite leftist response to terrorism: "Maybe we deserved it."

[the invisib1e hand]

Dude, that’s a really worthy point.

[awake-n-angry]

“I know a couple on my block that waited 3 years to adopt a baby.”
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There is a very short waiting list for deparately deformed babies and babies with catastrophic illnesses. It takes a VERY special parent but I’m certain that they could have beconme parents in far less time then 3 years. Older children as well, healthy and not, are also readily available right away. And foster care is deparate- lots of opportunities.

[colorado tanker]

She's a hyperpartisan Democrat who is actually being paid a "fellowship" to write liberal hit pieces on a "progressive" blog.

"The BlueOregon Fellow

The BlueOregon Fellowship is a paid fellowship in progressive blogging - and the Fellow is expected to post several times a week with original hard-hitting commentary and in-depth investigative coverage.

Carla Axtman

Carla Axtman is a political animal and blogger who co-founded the Oregon-based blogs Preemptive Karma and Loaded Orygun. Most recently, she worked as the Netroots Outreach Director for Jeff Merkley for Oregon during the 2008 primary. Carla is in the process of readjusting to the real world and is now sleeping and eating on a regular schedule."

[dfwgator]

you realize of course it was legal to kill Jews in Poland — but it wasn’t right

IT WASN'T POLAND, it was Nazi Germany, they occupied Polish soil.

[eleni121]

Whether it’s a murdered baby or a murdered soldier...or a frail old man fighting cancer, if their usefulness does not help expand the power of the State/Big Brother, then they are all equally expendible.

[yldstrk]

I heard on Laura Ingraham today there were only three such devils in the entire nation who would do what Tiller the killer was doing, now only two...........

[yldstrk]

ok

[tedrich]

“…is what led one woman who had to terminate a wanted pregnancy because of a terrible late-term diagnosis”

She “had” to terminate her pregnancy?

[jesseam]

You have to ask what kind of “church” would take this POS in as a member. In my opinion is that the “pastor” and congretation is no better in Gods Eyes than Hitler, Stalin Hussein etc is. I will not feel sorry for them nor waste my prayers on such a satan worshiping group!!

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

I could understand “rare’ circumstances if the mother was going to die right then and there..but 60,000 “rare’ circumstances.???? hardly.

Also, most doctors know that there are very very very few..if any—circumstances that warrant this proceedure.

BTW..I went to the comments on that article and it was surprising to see lots of Pro-life comments from people who said they were basically liberal, but pro life. THAT was heartening!

[DJ MacWoW]

This was a man who was treating patients in dire need of help.

No, this was a man who was helping himself to peoples money by killing the living results of people with no birth control and no self control. And he was killed by another nut with the same "high moral standard" that Tiller exhibited.

[meyer]

Swill, huh? I have a 4-letter word for Carla. Ironically, it starts with the same letter as her name. And it’s fitting. She’s of no other value.

[Melinda in TN]

There are liberal churches and then there are real churches. He belonged to the former.

[Thunder90]

I'm sure the dingbat Carla's next piece will be about the murdered Army recruiter and jihadi that killed him. And the jihadi enablers (also known as Obama voters). Right Carla?

The story will be about how the disadvantages in live drove the "poor guy" (AKA a terrorist) to become a Muslim (IE not being prom king in HS, being spanked as a kid, ect), and how discrimination caused him to attack the soldiers, and how the soldiers "had it coming" for supporting Bush's war, and how the guns us law abiding citizens own are responsible for the killing, and that enforcing immigration rules drive people to kill, ect, ect....

[A_Former_Democrat]

Just another Angry Ugly with strings pulled by her puppeteers

[BatGuano]

Carla is a warped woman. Notice that she refers to the anti-abortion, or pro-life people as “anti-choice”?

Don't tip-toe around we swill here at FR! Tell it like it is and use the word ABORTION Carla, you chicken-shit!

By the way, we should all ask her, “WHO “AXT” YOU FOR YOUR OPINION”?

Another reason to steer clear of Oregon...

[Frank_2001]

“terrible late-term diagnosis”

Would you MSM wackos mind telling us the diagnosis in this probably imaginary case?

“Oh no! Our baby has SIX TOES on each foot! He’ll nevah make the track team at Haahvaahd! He is RUINED!/sarcam off

Then again, a pregnant Italian woman doctor discovered she had ovarian cancer and chose to refuse chemo which would have killed the baby. That takes courage!

[reagan_fanatic]

LOL!

Carla, you poor witless twit.

It constantly amazes me how bloodthirsty leftists in the pro-abortion crowd strain to justify the act of premeditated murder against an unborn child as merely a 'surgical procedure involving an unviable tissue mass', yet weep uncontrollably when some poor arctic seal gets its brains bashed in or a logging company lops down a tree with some poor spotted owl in it.

Your whole belief system is as rotten as raw hamburger left in the summer sun. Rather than hate you, instead I feel sorry for you. It is quite apparent that while some parts of your brain have developed normally over time, other parts have been starved of oxygen just a little too long.

Tiller was a cold-blooded killer of innocent human beings to small to protect themselves.

Deal with it.

[Frank_2001]

” the disadvantages in live drove the “poor guy” (AKA a terrorist) to become a Muslim (IE not being prom king in HS, being spanked as a kid, ect),”

And don’t forget being followed around Macy’s by da sto’ security, and being forced to eat at McDonald’s due to the rapacious economic policies of Bush the Cruel and his Republican henchmen/s

[Gene Eric]

>> Anti-choice activist ...

It’s not a choice, it’s a decision to kill.

[the invisib1e hand]

St. Gianna, pray for us.

[yarddog]

Some things are beyond the pale of civilized discussion. Partial birth abortions are way, way, way, beyond anything I have ever heard even remotely discussed as moral.

I can’t bring myself to describe my revulsion for those who defend it.

[a fool in paradise]

We are all sinners. We are instructed to go forth and sin no more. He should be invited to seek redemption within a church.

To be greeted by this man on Sundays at the church (he was an usher volunteering) while he still ran his practice is an instance of the church validating his immoral (but legal) activities.

[TigersEye]

This was an act of political aggression against a doctor who helped people who were in absolutely desperate circumstances:

Apparently that's nothing but a lie. I think baby killers are swill.

Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

An Unexpected Correlation: The Legacy of Abortion

Study: Previous Abortions Linked With Pre-Term Birth and Cerebral Palsy

American Psychological Association Ignores Abortion-Depression Link

Study finds depression suffered by 80% of women who abort

Post-Abortion Counselor Confirms Abortions Cause Women Mental Health Issues

Spanish Medical Expert: Damage to Women Caused by Abortion is Scientifically Proven

48,589,993

Total Abortions since 1973

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Less than 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

[a fool in paradise]

and the swill that is Free Republic are a stark reminder that the Americanized version of the Taliban are alive and well.

Campion's Law!: "As a FR discussion lengthens, the probability of a libertarian or atheist FReeper comparing a Christian FReeper to al Qaeda or a Talibanic theocrat approaches one. Any FReeper who compares their opponent to al Queda or declares their oppenent an advocate of a "theocracy" has automatically lost that point of debate."