Conservatives Decry Anti-Bullying Courses As 'Gay Agenda'

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[Maelstorm]

Conservatives Decry Anti-Bullying Courses As 'Gay Agenda'

By On Top Magazine Staff
Published: May 28, 2009

Alameda Unified School District officials approved a new anti-bullying effort that includes teaching respect for gay men and lesbians on Wednesday, drawing a rain of protest from social conservatives who decried the curriculum as “formal instruction in concert with the gay agenda.”

Officials in the California district decided in a 3 to 2 vote to add lessons about gay men and lesbians into an existing anti-bullying curricula. The six 45-minute lessons will be offered to students as early as kindergarten.

At lower grades, students will be introduced to the negative impacts of generic teasing, but lessons for older students would include discussions related to gay and lesbian families and negative stereotypes based on sexual orientation.

Unlike lessons on health and sexual education offered by the district's public schools, parents won't be allowed to opt-out their children from the safe school lessons.

Socially conservative parents vociferously objected to the plan, while influential groups involved in passing California's gay marriage ban last year quickly released statements decrying the new curriculum.

“This is exactly what we warned voters about during the Proposition 8 [anti-gay marriage] campaign,” said Ron Prentice, chairman of ProtectMarriage.com, in a statement. “While pro-homosexual activists deny any impact on children, local school boards and the State Legislature press for formal instruction in concert with the gay agenda. Opponents of Prop. 8 claim we won the campaign based on lies and deceit, but just imagine how much worse these curricula would be if Prop. 8 failed and gay marriage was still legal.”

Brad Dacus, president of the Sacramento-based Pacific Justice Institute, called the curriculum a “cheap attempt at indoctrination.”

“It's not really age appropriate to be addressing sexual orientation and transgender issues at such a young age,” he said.

Alameda School Board President Mike McMahon said a week before the vote that he feared any outcome would be controversial.

“We don't believe either side is going to be happy with the outcome,” McMahon told the San Francisco Chronicle. “We assume we're going to get sued either way.”

 

[Maelstorm]

Why can't they just leave the kids alone?
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I'm glad Ron and his groups are getting together on this. Nationally it will be these type of attempts at indoctrinating kids that will cause people to turn on the sexual activists. We need a national organization that will unite the disparate state groups under one umbrella to fight this.

[Maelstorm]

[Angostura]

Why can’t they leave kids alone? Because there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”.

Or do you think that bullying is just fine?

[MrB]

If this “anti-bullying” program WASN’T simply a cover for homo indoctrination,

then it would be a good idea.

And if it wasn’t a cover, they wouldn’t mind if “sexual orientation” were never mentioned in the program.

[ClearCase_guy]

Bullying is a serious problem.
Best way to deal with it is to deal harshly with the people who perpetrate it.

Teaching everyone about the joys of homosexuality really doesn't need to enter the picture.

[ChicagahAl]

"there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”."

If you have a link to some evidence of this, I would appreciate it if you would post it.

Otherwise, it's more likely that bullies simply bully anyone who can be bullied. If you're going to assert that some kid got bullied because he has two moms, then you are ignoring the kid who got bullied because he has one mom and one dad.

[scripter]

Although not directly related to the article, here are some interesting comments by lesbian activist Camille Paglia:

"Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.....

"Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is refractory, once the sensory pathways have been blazed and deepened by repetition-a phenomenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction....helping gays to learn to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perfectly worthy aim.

"We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pause a the prepubescent stage where children anxiously band together by gender....current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice,' that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

[devistate one four]

If you want to stop anything, have a just punishment (corpral works).

If it happens again...discharge the bully!

It’s really that simple.

Anything else, This included, is BS

[massgopguy]

I wonder if there’s data on Bullies who come from Same Sex families and act out because of it?

[concerned about politics]

The homosexuals jumped on the backs of the black slaves the same way. "See? We're suffering the same way they did. We're the same. Now give us their rights."

Now, the homosexuals are jumping on the backs of the bullied children.

I'm surprised the homos haven't found a way to jump on the back of global warming. "See? we're sweating too, so give us the same special treatment you give the earth."

Instead of giving them special rights because they have an anal fetish, why not just put them back into the mental institutions and save this country from having to put up with this crap.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Trolls and ludicrous strawmen arguments... like peanut butter and jelly.

[concerned about politics]

Why can't they just leave the kids alone?

Homosexuals will always gravitate to where the children are. They can't breed on their own. They can't give birth to their own sex toys or increase their political numbers by themselves, so they corrupt other peoples children instead.

[Help!]

Agree with ChicagahAl

Bullies in school will pick on anyone they can for ANY reason. The kid is small, the kid is fat, the kid looks funny, the kid talks funny, the kid dresses different, the kid has weird hair, the kid’s parents are weird, the kid is no good at sports. The list is infinite. Why single out gays in this unless it is an agenda. BTW, the first I ever heard of the anti-bullying curriculum was in context of a pro-gay GLISTN (sp?) agenda. Think they were the ones promoting it on their website. Cover indeed.

[TurtleUp]

Why can’t they leave kids alone? Because there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”. Or do you think that bullying is just fine?

The fact that any particular groups might be targeted is not relevant. Schools need to cover bullying in simple terms: "It is never okay to bully anyone for any reason." That covers anti-gay and anti-lesbian, along with racial, religious, disability, occupation (including military), and everything else that ought to be included in a blanket ban.

Schools ought to cover consequences in simple terms: "Those who bully have few if any second chances, and those who go too far will be removed from the regular schools and put in a special school for those who are disruptive. Here's a film about what like is like at that school with its strict discipline."

I don't see why deciding to "beat up other kids because they have two moms" is in any way different from other motives for the same action. In the adult world, those who commit assault and battery should and often do go to prison; in our schools they should be separated from the decent kids for an extended period (at least long enough to finish the semester and the next semester).

Besides the fact that my approach doesn't take sides in the religious question of homosexuality's morality, it has the advantage of actually working. At least in my school district, which does have an alternative school, in-school behaviors that lead to reassignment to that school are extremely rare.

[MortMan]

You are promoting a false premise. The bullying behavior can be dealt with without promoting homosexuality as normal.

Or do you believe forced homosexual recruiting of our kids is just fine?

[concerned about politics]

Because there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”.

The other kids should just shun them. That way, the kids will learn their parents behavior is unacceptable.
Teaching kids not to bully is fine , but leave the queer stuff out. It's better the kids aren't taught that this vile behavior should be tolerated.

Never reinforce an undesirable behavior - parenting 101

[Maelstorm]

A great post. I like Camille Paglia because she isn’t one of the propagandists who try turn logic upside down to serve their own purpose.

[wintertime]

Socially conservative parents vociferously objected to the plan, while influential groups involved in passing California's gay marriage ban last year quickly released statements decrying the new curriculum.

How many of these conservatives continue to send their kids to government schools? How long will they continue in the vain effort to reform the irredeemable?

Conservatives must work to **shut down** government K-12 schools and strive to create free, private, and conservative alternatives for every child in this nation.

Ideas matter. In fact, they may be the **only** thing that matter. The Marxist and Saul Alinsky types figured this out long ago. That is why government schooling is so important to them. If they get to fill the heads of the nation's children with their ideas. They win!

[Maelstorm]

Addressing bullying has nothing to do with homosexuality and doesn’t require training little kids about homosexuality, trans gender, single parents, etc. The vast majority of bullying occurs for one reason, larger more aggressive kids simply can. Why homosexuals feel this obscene need to orient every issue even issues like this which should not be political at all to accommodate their activism is unfortunate. It is exactly these kinds of crazed efforts that are increasing the opposition to them and their cause. 99% of kids who are bullied are not homosexual and don’t have homosexual parents. Yes leave those kids alone. We don’t need special anti-gay bullying to stop bullying just as we don’t need phony hate crimes laws to prosecute crimes.

[SweetCaroline]

Because there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”.

....and there are kids out there, (Bullies) that think it is just fine to beat up kids who are fat, skinny, slow to learn, shy, have red hair, dress funny, walk with a limp, etc.

Having two mommies or a mother and father have little to do with bully attacks.

[Maelstorm]

I don’t send my kids to public schools and I’m of two minds on this issue. I believe parents should protect their children. This can mean pulling your kids out or it can mean keeping a close eye on the curriculum and the local school board. I am a strong believer in school choice. It works in very well in Belgium. We need to be careful not to give up the fight where public schools are concerned because whether we send our kids or not we still pay for them.

[Maelstorm]

I agree entirely. This is a case where the three school board members who voted for this politically charged curriculum should be opposed in the next school board election.

[concerned about politics]

Conservatives must work to **shut down** government K-12 schools and strive to create free, private, and conservative alternatives for every child in this nation.

The Republicans had a chance to save Americas kids, but they let the libs dictate the issues. The kids were thrown under the bus.

Parents can homeshool. If they're afraid they may not do well on their own, they can get together with other parents and choose a single subject to teach. Each mom would take care of one subject. They could easily have their own classroom.

Most parents don't realize this, but one parent working would bring home more income than two parents working. Remove every expense associated with the extra job and adjust for the lower tax bracket, and most people will end up with a lot more cash than they had before.

Not only will breaking away from the governments schools save the kids, but the neighborhood would become stronger. Neighbor would be getting to know and work with neighbor for a higher purpose.

PS...always vote on school issues. Vote for the school board and vote "no" for every budget. Get your friends and families involved. Say "No" to liberalism.

[Maelstorm]

How are they suffering? Sure some are attacked but not to a greater degree than anyone else. Most just want to ignore them or simply appreciate them for the person and have nothing at all to do with their sexuality. The whole assumption that they need special rights and protections is phony and not supported by the facts. Most old folks are assaulted because they are old and vulnerable but do they get special old folks protections? No. It is silly and disproportionate. Criminality and bullying should be approached from a generalist approach that serves and protects and provides justice for everyone regardless of their peculiarities. What the left has done is turned the 14th amendment on its head.

[Hardastarboard]

Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction

I've been meaning to post this for quite some time. Here goes. There are two glands in the male, the prostate gland, and the Cowper's gland, that are made to deliver live, intact sperm into a woman's vagina. Both glands secrete fluids that reduce the acidity of a woman's vagina and the man's urethra, respectively. In addition, the Cowper's gland secretes a mucous like solution that lubricates the urethra so that the semen will pass more readily through it.

The male reproductive organs are very specifically designed to be a sperm delivery system, to a WOMAN's body. Absent the need to deliver sperm cells (e.g. gay sex) neither of these glands would be required.

I continue to assert that homosexuality is a developmental disorder of sexuality. Glorifying that developmental disorder is an injustice to those who suffer from it (yes, I said suffer - most gays aren't really "gay" as in happy, you know). It's akin to glorifying dwarfism or undescended gonads.

[Maelstorm]

I agree. It is not complicated. Any honest reasoned person should be able to see that it is functional incorrect.

[Maelstorm]

Yes it is but the vast majority of cases of bullying 99% are not related to anything gay. I despise bullies and they should be removed. I also think that children that can not keep their sexual preferences to themselves should be removed from school if it becomes a chronic problem.

[Albion Wilde]

Why can’t they leave kids alone? Because there are kids out there who think it is just fine to beat up other kids because they have “two moms”. Or do you think that bullying is just fine?

I am not alone in believing that the homosexual lobby has bullied and emotionally blackmailed traditional families (with the help of heterosexual liberationists) by deliberately creating illegitimate children and then screaming about "our families!!!!!!" They have branded 5,000 years of Judeo-Christian religious beliefs "bigotry". Their political spokespersons have pushed and pushed and pushed for the deconstruction of gender and nature, and for doctrinaire lessons about sexual behavior to be included from kindergarten on up, when traditional parents do not want ANY kind of sexual behaviors described to their very young children.

The centuries of ever-advancing Western civilization built on the strength of the traditional family are treated by gay spokespersons like a mere mistake; they advocate a devolution of society in which emotions, passions, fetishes, minority activism and oligarchy rule the people instead of "nature and nature's God", blind justice, the rule of law, the proper role of our legislatures and the consent of the governed.

The screams of "marriage equality" are bogus. Marriage in a civil society is a licensed activity, like being a doctor or even like having a driver's licence. Licensing ensures that the licensee meets minimal requirements. Would you want to be treated by an unqualified doctor because he "felt excluded" by licensing requirements?

Not just any heterosexuals can get married; and there is no reason why homosexuals should need to get married except to promote their lifestyle on half- or fully-adopted children, who will be denied the natural human "right" to know they are the product of a committed union of a man and a woman. And if there is no commitment, there is at least a paper trail to the biological parents' medical information and extended family relationships. The homosexual lobby wants even to substitute the name of the gay partner on the birth certificates of artificially-created children. This is a denial of the natural rights of the child.

We are often forced to listen to the excuse that gay teens commit suicide because of bullying. Where is the proof that it is not in reality a case of troubled teens who are suicidal trying homosexuality as a possible remedy for their troubled feelings that may stem from any number of maladjustments? There is clinical evidence to suggest that many persons who suffer from depression are drawn to high-risk behaviors of many kinds in order to "self-medicate" their serotonin-deficient brain chemistry with adrenaline. Gay sex is certainly a high-risk behavior. Most of the evidence of these risks is deliberately suppressed by homosexual advocates.

I challenge you to present statistical evidence that bullying because of perceived gayness is a growing or even a substantial problem. My review of FBI statistics shows that race remains far and away the most frequent target of hate crimes.

[wintertime]

This can mean pulling your kids out or it can mean keeping a close eye on the curriculum and the local school board.
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I agree....so long as it doesn’t drain energy, time, and money away from the effort to shut down every government K-12 school in the nation.

[SaraJohnson]

You can not teach kids not to bully homoseuxals unless you tell kids what homosexuals, transgenders, etc., etc. are. This is purely an sexual indoctrination program targeted at children for purposes of adults. It is not to serve children nor protect them from bullying. I got to admit, though, liberals sure know how to use language to manipulate people.

Ofcourse, no one in their right mind wants anyone to bully others. If it was about bullying it would be about what young kids usually target for bullying in their school. Like heavy set or ugly children. Or children who are weak or handicapped or perform poorly in sports.

[Cheetahcat]

What is the matter with teaching them History,Math and the Sciences this is not the place to be babbling on about bad behavior.

[Albion Wilde]

Brilliant post. I believe Paglia is accurate in her description of deepening sensory pathways. Recent research into stroke victims reveals a much more plastic brain structure than previously imagined; a brain in which some motivated individuals can change deep habits over time. (See also post 28.)

"Be transformed by the renewing of your mind..."

[concerned about politics]

How are they suffering?

Are you sure you've got the right post? I recommended the kids shun the kids with homosexual parents until they learn the behavior is unacceptable. Kids of homosexuals need to know they've done nothing wrong. Their parents are the freaks - not them.

[Maelstorm]

Yes I was just asking a rhetorical question. The problem is that the activists encourage these kids to be activists much in the same way Hamas does.

[3catsanadog]

There seems to be a trend, not only in schools, but I see it even in business where, instead of punishing the bully or the lazy worker directly, these groups have lessons or meetings to tell everyone to be nice or do your work.

I am personally witnessing it where I work. There are about 3-4 of my peers who will not contribute their fare share of the physical aspects of the position; one leaves the unit for 1/2 hour to 45 minutes to go chit-chat elsewhere 2-3 times a day. The people this person is supposed to be assisting then call the other techs to do the work the chatty employee is supposed to do.

Then every other month, we all need to go to a mandatory meeting where the same issue is brought up - do all of your work, stay at your worksite. And the same lazy a$$es are still there month after month. It's like people in charge - and, forgive me for blaspheming a sacred feminist cow, most who supervise in this style are women - are afraid to make a decision.

[concerned about politics]

The centuries of ever-advancing Western civilization built on the strength of the traditional family are treated by gay spokespersons like a mere mistake; they advocate a devolution of society in which emotions, passions, fetishes, minority activism and oligarchy rule the people instead of "nature and nature's God", blind justice, the rule of law, the proper role of our legislatures and the consent of the governed.

Liberalism is the prelude to socialism. Socialism is the prelude to communism.
If your goal is to restructure a country, you have to destroy the system it has first in order to rebuild it in your own image. The lefts goal is to destroy everything we have , so when the chaos get too great, they can come in as the saviors who'll fix it - for our own good.

[Albion Wilde]

Bullies in school will pick on anyone they can for ANY reason....The list is infinite. Why single out gays in this unless it is an agenda.

How true. In my old inner-city neighborhood, I lived across the street from a couple of bullies. They picked on anyone whose property abutted theirs, who walked or parked near their narrow rowhouse or alley gate, or who crossed them in the park or at community meetings. The reasons were completely opportunistic -- whatever they could throw at a person until they found something that stuck, certainly including "You're gay!"

A large family of their relatives lived next door to them. One of the young men in their family was flamboyantly gay, had a formerly-married gay partner, saw the bully relatives every day and visited with them frequently. Go figure.... except, of course, the bullies really didn't care about principle -- just power; and calling someone gay in order to peck on them was their modus operandi.

[Downyoceanhon]

Bullying is not just physical nor does it occur just in public schools. My daughter was bullied this year by spoiled liberal brats, who wrote cruel letters to her and spread evil rumors. Of course, the liberal principal and Co. spun the entire situation and blamed my daughter as being an (Emo) emotionally unbalanced and offered her (indoctrination counseling). The bullies never saw any sort of punishment.

[Albion Wilde]

The whole assumption that they need special rights and protections is phony and not supported by the facts. Most old folks are assaulted because they are old and vulnerable but do they get special old folks protections? No.

And neither do pregnant women who earnestly desire to have their babies. It might offend the pro-death, pro-abortion lobby.

[NinoFan]

Yes, I’m sure the kids will be able to understand and appreciate the fact that they’re being shunned because of their parents and not themselves. You’re treating little kids like they’re adults. I see no reason why sexual orientation should be discussed in grade scool, but I also see no reason why parents who don’t like the fact that a kid’s parents are of the same sex can’t just tell their own kids that it’s against their beliefs. Shunning the kids themselves is beyond cruel.

[concerned about politics]

I got to admit, though, liberals sure know how to use language to manipulate people.

They put a pretty face on the vilest of passions:

Dismembering a human infant while it's still alive - "choice"
Homosexual fetish - "gay"
Loss of private property - "environmentalism"
Antichrist - "separation of church and state"
Tax payer slavery - "aid to the poor"
Parential rights - "right of the child"
Covetedness - "sharing"

[antceecee]

You got that pegged correctly.

[Albion Wilde]

Liberalism is the prelude to socialism. Socialism is the prelude to communism....The lefts goal is to destroy everything we have , so...they can come in as the saviors who'll fix it....

Totally agree with your post.

[TurtleUp]

There seems to be a trend, not only in schools, but I see it even in business where, instead of punishing the bully or the lazy worker directly, these groups have lessons or meetings to tell everyone to be nice or do your work.

I miss the days when actions had consequences. People were better because of those consequences. Unfortunately, actions still have consequences. We've just delayed and spread out those effects so that everyone suffers for the misdeeds of a few bad apples.

[concerned about politics]

Shunning the kids themselves is beyond cruel.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.
Once the kid understands it's parents, and not him or her, is the odd ball, the kids can all play together. As a parent myself, I'd admittedly refuse to let my child associate with a homosexuals kid. Bad company corrupts good character.
The homosexual child will not learn unless someone teaches it. Otherwise, it will grow up thinking it's parents are normal and may eventually copy their behavior. It should stop in the classroom before it's too late for that child.

[TurtleUp]

The male reproductive organs are very specifically designed to be a sperm delivery system, to a WOMAN's body. Absent the need to deliver sperm cells (e.g. gay sex) neither of these glands would be required.

Completely correct, and much classier than an equivalent post from an earlier thread saying just that sperm weren't created to fertilize fecal matter.

[Niuhuru]

“Bullying is a serious problem.
Best way to deal with it is to deal harshly with the people who perpetrate it.”

I very nearly flunked tenth grade because of the bullying in my interior decorator class. My biology class came afterward and I couldn’t concentrate.

The parentals blamed me for nearly flunking and the teachers did nothing about the bullies. Thank you public school system.

[NinoFan]

Your high school had an interior decorating course? That’s pretty neat.

[concerned about politics]

sperm weren't created to fertilize fecal matter.

That's where liberals come from.
They're the ones who believe they came from bacteria.

[3catsanadog]

I see more and more a tendancy in younger workers that they believe they have a right to come in to work and do what they want, when they want and collect a pay check and the employer has no right to tell them what they are expected to do. I guess this is the result of the self-esteem movement coupled with entitlement.