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We can no longer ignore science of global disaster
sltrib.com ^ | May 22, 2009 | Dr. Brian Moench

Posted on 05/23/2009 8:17:01 AM PDT by PROCON

Politicians who deny human-caused climate disruption elevate their own opinions above the expertise of not only climate scientists, but biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists. It's as arrogant and inexplicable as claiming they know more about how to launch rockets than NASA, more about building skyscrapers than architects and more about computers than geeks.

A new report will now force these politicians to conclude they also know more about health and medical science than doctors. Next time they have chest pain we should hand out scalpels and insist they do their own open-heart surgery.

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1 posted on 05/23/2009 8:17:01 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping!


2 posted on 05/23/2009 8:17:32 AM PDT by PROCON (Wake me up when this is over.)
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To: PROCON; Delacon; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 05/23/2009 8:18:18 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: PROCON

He’s right. We can no longer simply ignore the hoax of anthropomorphically caused GW.

We must actively denounce it as the path to tyranny that it is.


4 posted on 05/23/2009 8:19:14 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: PROCON

The reasoning is right but the analysis is upside down. Over 30,000 Scientists, most of them Life Scientists, are on record saying that AGW is wrong AND attempts to stop it are dangerous and counter-productive.


5 posted on 05/23/2009 8:20:10 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PROCON
Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment Brian Dr. Brian Moench, President. Welcome to the UPHE website. The executive committee of UPHE are myself as President, Dr. Jerry Ross, Vice President, ... www.uphe.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

Another asshole liberal ecofreak....f' him.

6 posted on 05/23/2009 8:20:27 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: PROCON

BARF


7 posted on 05/23/2009 8:20:55 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: PROCON

Science as religion ping.


8 posted on 05/23/2009 8:22:18 AM PDT by cranked
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To: IbJensen

Imbecile alert.


9 posted on 05/23/2009 8:22:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: PROCON

Medicare is broke and they think they can manage National Health care? These people are fools.


10 posted on 05/23/2009 8:22:41 AM PDT by RC2
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To: PROCON
"Politicians who deny human-caused climate disruption elevate their own opinions above the expertise of not only climate scientists, but biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists. It's as arrogant and inexplicable as claiming they know more about how to launch rockets than NASA, more about building skyscrapers than architects and more about computers than geeks. "

AND

Dr. Brian Moench is president of Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment.

Thank you for the lecture on Climatology, Doctor

Now, go push pills and shut up.

Signed, A Chemist.

11 posted on 05/23/2009 8:23:04 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: PROCON

This guy is a kool-aid drinker of the first order. There is NO evidence that higher global temperatures will have negative health consequences - only speculation by those looking fora crisis.

And in any case, there is nothing mankind can do about global temperatures. The real threat is global cooling such as that seen in the last ice age. That will definitely have negative outcomes for mankind as people freeze to death and crops fail on a global scale.


12 posted on 05/23/2009 8:23:11 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: PROCON

Mythbusters
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2256869/posts

Pray for Our Troops


13 posted on 05/23/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by bray (SarDate.2012)
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To: PROCON
The best and funniest aspect is that everyone, Nobel dudes especially, recognize Algore as the brains of the global-warming operation.

Algore can't add much less understand planetary science or climatology or even thermodynamics.

This is junk science and panic mongering.

14 posted on 05/23/2009 8:26:17 AM PDT by caddie ("Every cat is a masterpiece." -- Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: PROCON

Why would a biologist know more than a butcher or shoe salesman about weather?


15 posted on 05/23/2009 8:26:52 AM PDT by dead
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To: RC2

Virtually everything the government has overseen or run has phailed or is on the verge of phailing:

Amtrak
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Welfare
USPS
etc.


16 posted on 05/23/2009 8:27:50 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Luke21
Apologies to all, Luke.

I was moving through articles too fast and should have realized that this article is far from barfingl over!

17 posted on 05/23/2009 8:29:09 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: PROCON
Dr. Brian Moench another MD who thinks his medical degree makes him an instant expert on everything.
18 posted on 05/23/2009 8:29:57 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: PROCON

The Earth survived times when it was a lot hotter than now and times when it was a lot colder than now.

Actually, it THRIVED when it was hotter than now! Mother Earth needs your CO2!! Feed your Mother.


19 posted on 05/23/2009 8:31:26 AM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: PROCON

“Journalists” who continue to lie in the face of overwhelming facts, are idiots.


20 posted on 05/23/2009 8:31:50 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Waterboard Pelosi NOW!)
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To: PROCON

We GET IT!

A completely CRASHED and useless industrial economy produces no gasses of any kind. We’ll all just grow and eat veggies in our back yards and dance hand-in-hand under the clear blue skies with flower wreaths on our heads.


21 posted on 05/23/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Gaffer; All
Dr Moench is a MEDICAL doctor. So why does he think HIS opinion about gorebull warming is more accurate than those “politicians” he condemns in his opening statement?

How on earth can someone like him write this without seeing a big flashing neon sign above him saying HYPOCRITE!

22 posted on 05/23/2009 8:35:12 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
From his website of which he is president

UPHE Goals • All new electric energy supplies for the state of Utah should come from renewable resources. • State-of-the-art controls on existing plants • Reduction of the speed limit to 55mph when air pollution exceeds EPA limits • Public subsidies for mass transit, free ridership and expanded service • A 20% emissions reduction strategy by the Air Quality Board • State funding for more extensive environmental monitoring; • Strategies to increase public awareness • Encouragement for school districts to use school buses that run on alternative fuels • Policies that prohibit school buses should from idling in school yards while waiting for students • Establishment of air pollution warning indices that promote the safety of pregnant women and their unborn children. • Goal of attaining 25% renewable energy sources by the year 2020 • Educate people about the sources of pollution and their health consequences • Provide medical expertise to organizations working on urban planning, renewable power, increasing fuel efficiencies, and transportation alternatives.

He is nothing more than a Democratic ecofreak shill for the liberal maniacs in this world...why anyone would post anything he has to say on this forum is beyond me.....

23 posted on 05/23/2009 8:44:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: PROCON

Based on his own standards, he has no room to speak. So STFU, dear doctor.


24 posted on 05/23/2009 8:45:18 AM PDT by thecabal (Hey Obama, when you gonna start sharin' the sacrifice?)
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To: PROCON
Politicians who deny human-caused climate disruption elevate their own opinions above the expertise of not only climate scientists, but biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists.

What about climate scientists, biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists who disagree with climate scientists, biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists?

It's not arrogant denial, it's real scientific disagreement.

25 posted on 05/23/2009 8:46:23 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: PROCON

He’s an anesthesiologist, so this makes him an expert on global climate?

Hey, Moensch, what about all that evil laughing gas you’re releasing into the atmosphere?


26 posted on 05/23/2009 8:52:25 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Gaffer
Establishment of air pollution warning indices that promote the safety of pregnant women and their unborn children.

I thought an unborn child was just a fetus with no reason to protect it according to the left....

27 posted on 05/23/2009 8:53:20 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: PROCON
So physicians are now experts in global climate change as well?

The world population is rising, so naturally there will be more people affected by disease and malnutrition. Once they have the power to regulate carbon emissions, the next step will be to regulate reproduction.

I've heard statistics that say doctors are the third leading cause of death in the US. They need to concentrate on cleaning up their own profession instead of preaching to the rest of us about climate change.

BTW at the bottom of the page, you can give this article a thumbs down.

28 posted on 05/23/2009 9:00:18 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: PROCON

Why dont people believe in climate disaster?

Perhaps our exerience with the other predicted disasters:
Global cooling
Y2000
Acid Rain
The ozone hole
DDT
PCBs
Mercury in fish
Genetic engineering
genetically modified food
Alar
Nuclear power
pesticides/silent spring
rain forest
human caused plant and animal extinction
food shortages and starvation from over population


29 posted on 05/23/2009 9:03:42 AM PDT by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: freedumb2003

“Over 30,000 Scientists, most of them Life Scientists, are on record saying that AGW is wrong AND attempts to stop it are dangerous and counter-productive.”

You’re right, but of course that story got spiked.

The consensus people prefer to trot out their list of social workers, educators, business administrators, nurses etc. with BSs after their names and ignore our list of climatologists, physicists etc.


30 posted on 05/23/2009 9:05:20 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: PROCON
The left must be loosing the argument else this article would not exist. Wait until the cost of the “Climate Change” idiocy hits the public. They will vote supporting politicians out in droves.
31 posted on 05/23/2009 9:06:08 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: PROCON

read later


32 posted on 05/23/2009 9:09:46 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Laserman
There is NO evidence that higher global temperatures will have negative health consequence

Higher temperatures can create more food, therefore obesity.


/Grin

33 posted on 05/23/2009 9:12:03 AM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: PROCON
One question I never get answered; What is the appropriate earth-normal temperature?

When "Dr." Gore diagnosed the earth with a fever, against what objective measure was he comparing the current average temperature?

If a patient were brought into the ER suffering with hypothermia and the (real) Dr. noted, after treatment, a rise in temperature, doing anything to stop the rise might be considered malpractice.

34 posted on 05/23/2009 9:12:26 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: PROCON

The first order of business with these loons is to ignore the fact that the earth is not warming but is actually cooling.


35 posted on 05/23/2009 9:12:51 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: PROCON
"The inequity of climate change -- with the rich causing most of the problem and the poor initially suffering most of the consequences -- will prove to be a source of historical shame to our generation if nothing is done to address it."

Pure Marxism- not Science!


36 posted on 05/23/2009 9:13:09 AM PDT by DaveyB (A government's ability to give is proportionate to their power to take away!)
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To: PROCON

The science behind global warming is like testing a drug using a computer model to determine how humans will react to it. The ‘science’ of global warming is based on computer models which generously know about 10% of how our global environment behaves. Anyone who says the science is settled isn’t scientific.


37 posted on 05/23/2009 9:20:51 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Q. What do you call someone who got all C's in medical school?

A. Doctor.

Signed,

PhD Chemical Physicist.

Cheers!

38 posted on 05/23/2009 9:26:35 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Gaffer
You missed the obvious.

Does he favor socialized medicine ("cap and trade" on payments to doctors)?

Cheers!

39 posted on 05/23/2009 9:28:30 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: PROCON
elevate their own opinions above the expertise of not only climate scientists, but biologists, physicists, chemists and ecologists

I am a physicists, do I get a pass to disagree; or is herd mentality the order of the day?

40 posted on 05/23/2009 9:29:27 AM PDT by eclecticEel (I don't want Obama to fail, I want him to fail quickly.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"A completely CRASHED and useless industrial economy produces no gasses of any kind. We’ll all just grow and eat veggies in our back yards and dance hand-in-hand under the clear blue skies with flower wreaths on our heads."

Until a more reality based country comes in and finishes making real slaves of us.

The "victim" minorities in this country look constantly backwards. If the Muzzies, China, Russia take over, they will look back to the good old days they loved to hate.

I guess it is up to we, the people to drag we, the sheeple along from the brink if we can muster the strength.The alternative is unthinkable.

vaudine

41 posted on 05/23/2009 9:36:42 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: PROCON
...the expertise of not only climate scientists...

He could actually type that with a straight face? The global warming, er, oh, I'm sorry, since that hasn't panned out for them it is now called "climate change" ... crowd has been wrong at every turn. Their so-called science has been shown to be based on shaky data, ill-advised and unsupportable methods, and down right lies.

It's as arrogant and inexplicable as claiming they know more about how to launch rockets than NASA, more about building skyscrapers than architects and more about computers than geeks.

If those groups had the same track record as the so-called "climate scientists" who attempted to foist global warming on us, and who are now engaged in a re-spin of the same power grab as "climate change"... well, then yes, I would claim to know more than them. I happen to know a thing or two about large-scale computer modelling of complex systems with emergent behaviours. The GW/CC crowd apparently does not - or more precisely knows just enough to manipulate the inputs, models, and results to support their agenda. They should be ashamed to call themselves scientists. They have no respect for the scientific method. Their bald-faced lies are not the results of scientific research, but mere hunting for propaganda materials.

42 posted on 05/23/2009 9:39:59 AM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: freedumb2003

“Over 30,000 Scientists, most of them Life Scientists, are on record saying that AGW is wrong AND attempts to stop it are dangerous and counter-productive.”

Could you provide me some more information on this. Could be very useful information, if it is from a reliable source.


43 posted on 05/23/2009 9:47:11 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: PROCON
You forgot the

Alert ...

44 posted on 05/23/2009 9:49:00 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Clinton was our first black President ... Obama is our first French President.)
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To: ga medic

There is a thread about it here .. I just read it but forgot to bookmark it :(


45 posted on 05/23/2009 9:49:21 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: PROCON
Here ya go ...

Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment
For additional information email
Dr. Brian Moench, President
at shaunamoench@yahoo.com

46 posted on 05/23/2009 9:52:38 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Clinton was our first black President ... Obama is our first French President.)
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To: PROCON
I noticed there is a thumbs-up / thumbs-down thing in the article's comment box. Should you wish to make like the Romans more than once, you need to clear your tribtowns.com (note: not sltrib.com) cookies in between votes.
47 posted on 05/23/2009 9:53:19 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: grey_whiskers
Correct sir... same sentiment, but I've heard it as:

Q. What do you call a person who graduated last in the class in medical school?

A. Doctor.

48 posted on 05/23/2009 9:59:39 AM PDT by ken in texas (come fold with us - team #36120)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
He’s right. We can no longer simply ignore the hoax of anthropomorphically caused GW.

We must actively denounce it as the path to tyranny that it is.

At this rate, CO2 emissions will soon be used by the government to decide who is allowed to breath.

49 posted on 05/23/2009 10:38:56 AM PDT by Barnacle (God help us.)
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To: PROCON

More false made up garbage by university idiots!


50 posted on 05/23/2009 10:41:27 AM PDT by dalereed
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