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Netanyahu Rejects Obama's 'UN Flag at Kotel'; Star of David to Remain
Israel National News ^ | May 22. 2009 | Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Posted on 05/22/2009 3:12:26 AM PDT by Tzvi INN.com

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu vowed at the Mercaz HaRav yeshiva in Jerusalem Thursday night that the Israeli flag will continue to fly over the Western Wall (Kotel).

The first prime minister in years to appear at the venerable yeshiva on Yom Yerushalayim (Jerusalem Day), he ignored U.S. President Barack Obama’s apparent trial balloon that he wants to see the United Nations flag fly over the Old City holy sites.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhoun; holyland; israel; obama; un; wall
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1 posted on 05/22/2009 3:12:26 AM PDT by Tzvi INN.com
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To: Tzvi INN.com

I think Obie has tipped his hand on where he really stands.


2 posted on 05/22/2009 3:13:37 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Could Obomber be any more of a terrorist supporter?


3 posted on 05/22/2009 3:15:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Tzvi INN.com

That would be two leaders in two days who have told Obama....”you’re wrong”.....code for “ignorant”.


4 posted on 05/22/2009 3:16:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL; GodGunsGuts

[0] “wants to see the United Nations flag fly over the Old City holy sites”

That’s 100% antichrist material, right there.


5 posted on 05/22/2009 3:17:20 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
Bibi to Bamo: "I won."


6 posted on 05/22/2009 3:26:57 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Where's my bailout, Obama?)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to Obama...
“I’ll fly the UN flag in Jerusalem when you fly the Kenyan flag over the Whitehouse.”


7 posted on 05/22/2009 3:29:35 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Obama is no friend of Israel


8 posted on 05/22/2009 3:33:46 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Obama isn’t a friend of the US, either. (But you knew that.)


9 posted on 05/22/2009 3:39:19 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

you bet.

Atlas is warming up those shrugging muscles


10 posted on 05/22/2009 3:41:09 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Good for Bibi. Decent people all over the world need to see opposition to the arrogant anointed one. Time to isolate him.


11 posted on 05/22/2009 3:50:55 AM PDT by Think free or die (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M.Thatcher)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
**** the un... and come to think of it... **** hussein millhouse obama too.

LLS

12 posted on 05/22/2009 3:51:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

The UN presence has served as a safehouse for terrorists in the Middle-East. Obama is an anti-semite.


13 posted on 05/22/2009 4:02:14 AM PDT by etradervic (The first 100 days have been the worse 100 days)
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To: DJ Frisat

Bibi to Bamo: “I won.”

HA! LOVE IT!


14 posted on 05/22/2009 4:05:22 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: Jeremiah Jr
U.S. President Barack Obama’s apparent trial balloon that he wants to see the United Nations flag fly over the Old City holy sites.

"The Globe, in blue, represents the spreading of Islam and its civilization in the world."


15 posted on 05/22/2009 4:05:38 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Here is what I don’t get. Libs act (and I say act because it’s an act, they don’t really want it because actions speak louder than words) like they want freedom for all. Obama ACTS like he is not a muslim, but his ACTIONS are different because he wants to make this go in reverse.

“Between 1949 and 1967, the religious sites in the City, as well as all of Judea and Samaria, had been under the control of Jordan, which forbid entry of Jews to the Western Wall (Kotel) and other holy places, as well as barring Christians from churches. Israel immediately opened all holy sites to all religions after the entire city was re-united in 1967, returning the Old City to Israeli sovereignty after nearly 2,000 years.”

So Obama and the rest of the world want the Temple Mount to be restricted to Jews and Christians again, and yet Israel (the supposed Devil to libs and Muslims) is keeping it open to ALL religions?

I think Ann Coulter is right. Liberalism is a mental illness because there is no rhyme or reason to it and it contradicts itself over and over.


16 posted on 05/22/2009 4:12:00 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: GeronL
I think you're absolutely correct.

It will be fun to watch him go down in flames as:

1. He learns that the enemies hate the US not because of anything we do, but because we exist and live differently than they do. And no amount of buttery talk will change that. They will continue to attack us.

2. Most citizens of most nations like their nations and don't want to see them dissolve and be absorbed by this global/UN BS. People will fight for their sovereignty.

Obammie the Commie will eventually crash and burn like all egotistical, narcissistic tyrants.

17 posted on 05/22/2009 4:25:14 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Thank you, Mr. Netanyahu, I don’t care for the UN either.


18 posted on 05/22/2009 4:25:56 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
Netanyahu is going to put his foot right up Hussein's rear end.

This will not end well.

19 posted on 05/22/2009 4:27:53 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
1. He learns that the enemies hate the US not because of anything we do, but because we exist and live differently than they do. And no amount of buttery talk will change that. They will continue to attack us.

He will seek to have live like them and become like them.

2. Most citizens of most nations like their nations and don't want to see them dissolve and be absorbed by this global/UN BS. People will fight for their sovereignty.

Tell that to the European Union of Socialist States, their laws are made in Brussels. The national governments make only 15% of their laws now.

20 posted on 05/22/2009 4:42:30 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
"That's 100% antichrist material, right there."

This from a blog "The Curt Jester":

As for Obama being the antichrist, St. John described that there are many antichrists and not just the figure foretold at the end of the world. Those that oppose Christ are in effect an antichrist. People that support infanticide, abortion, ESCR, cloning, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage are opposing the will of Christ.

Besides Obama is too much of an amateur to be "the" Antichrist. Though form over substance will certainly be an attribute of the Antichrist and the fawning largely uncritical reaction will likely be there also.

Described my thoughts exactly, so I just copied and pasted.

21 posted on 05/22/2009 4:45:56 AM PDT by avenir
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To: avenir

Sure, I broadly agree, and I didn’t say he was.

The point is, that is 100% antichrist material, right there. UN flag on the Western Wall.

Many will come, and will decieve many. Hitler also had the antichrist spirit.


22 posted on 05/22/2009 4:50:13 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: autumnraine
If the UN were responsible for all holy sites it will end up like Bethlehem now being run by the Arabs. No one is safe and no one goes so the dollars dry up for the locals.
23 posted on 05/22/2009 4:53:30 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - MARSOC DAD)
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To: Rome2000

........Netanyahu is going to put his foot right up Hussein’s rear end.......

Both are posturing,Acting a part if you will.

Neither wants much of a change. Acting out roles is quite effective in the process of actually doing nothing.

Obama seems to be pro Arab because he needs stability. He is a domestic President. Problems in Egypt or Jordan or Saudi Arabia would rock the boat.

Palestine will continue to fester but an application of Neosporin from time to time will prevent it from becoming fatal


24 posted on 05/22/2009 4:54:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: GeronL

Yes, against the will of large numbers of their population.

They’ll remain in the EU as long as it is working. As soon as the going gets rough, they’ll dump it.


25 posted on 05/22/2009 4:58:44 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: avenir

I’d like to think that any antichrist worthy of the title would not be reduced to a stammering, stuttering a—hole by a teleprompter malfunction.

Guess they don’t make antichrists like they used to.


26 posted on 05/22/2009 4:59:10 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Hold onto your hats boys and girls.

Genesis 12: 2-3
“I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you I WILL CURSE; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”


27 posted on 05/22/2009 5:15:47 AM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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To: Tzvi INN.com

I had no idea Obama had even “asked” this...

HOW FREAKING INSULTING!!

PM Netanyahu — THank you for your stand. Some of us REAL Americans got your back!


28 posted on 05/22/2009 5:24:50 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: autumnraine
Here is what I don’t get. Libs act (and I say act because it’s an act, they don’t really want it because actions speak louder than words) like they want freedom for all. Obama ACTS like he is not a muslim, but his ACTIONS are different because he wants to make this go in reverse.

“Between 1949 and 1967, the religious sites in the City, as well as all of Judea and Samaria, had been under the control of Jordan, which forbid entry of Jews to the Western Wall (Kotel) and other holy places, as well as barring Christians from churches. Israel immediately opened all holy sites to all religions after the entire city was re-united in 1967, returning the Old City to Israeli sovereignty after nearly 2,000 years.”

So Obama and the rest of the world want the Temple Mount to be restricted to Jews and Christians again, and yet Israel (the supposed Devil to libs and Muslims) is keeping it open to ALL religions?

I think Ann Coulter is right. Liberalism is a mental illness because there is no rhyme or reason to it and it contradicts itself over and over.

Liberals are *not* mentally ill. They're extemely consistent but they have an entirely different set of premises than you or I do.

For instance, liberals tend to be humanistic. They believe that all cultures are equal and that only bad environments and poor infrastructure lead to situations which act against our interest. They don't really have a concept of good or evil. If you do something bad, you do it because you had a bad environment, you're mentally deficient etc...

If you understand that viewpoint Obama's actions make sense. In the ME there's no good or evil just bad environments. Palestinians commit terror? Obviously their environment isn't very good. So how do you get rid of terrorism? You give Palestinian's their own state and self determination and you help them develop their infrastructure. In addition their "human rights" trump Israel's right to security(because everybody's inherently good and if you just talk about things all the problems in the ME will disappear).

Conservatives keep trying to pigeonhole liberals into their own worldview and liberals do the same thing.

Never make the mistake of thinking Obama is insane. Obama is the most talented politician to show up since WWII. He's got people skills, confidence and the utter ruthlessness to do what he wants. Imagine Clinton's political acumen, W's people skills and Nixon's cunning all with JFK's smile. He has the power to fundamentally redefine america and that is exactly what he's doing.

Underestimate him at your peril.

29 posted on 05/22/2009 5:32:42 AM PDT by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu

I’ll disagree with the part about people skills.

We keep reading, time and time again, how people come away with the impression of arrogance and patronizing attitude.

He’s terrible at giving gifts and he writes checks he cannot cash.


30 posted on 05/22/2009 5:36:14 AM PDT by Scotswife
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31 posted on 05/22/2009 5:46:17 AM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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To: patriot preacher
PM Netanyahu — THank you for your stand. Some of us REAL Americans got your back!

I couldn't agree more.
I LOVE "BiBi". He's got more backbone and conviction (of the right kind) than any world leader.
Pray for Israel.
32 posted on 05/22/2009 5:47:18 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Quix; Joya; TaraP; F15Eagle
I just thought you might want to see this article and perhaps share if you see fit...

[Writing this note after the fact: My apologies (I think) that this is so long... I really got onto a bit of a roll below when it comes to faith, and trusting in our Lord, and what I see coming, and a call for prayers... (For some reason the word horizon is prominent in my mind right now, perhaps someone else will read this and have another piece of the puzzle on that...) I just felt compelled to say the things that follow, and I have promised the Lord that from now on when I feel His hand upon me, prompting me to write, that I will not hesitate due to my human nature which seeks to suppress things such as this due to the world we live in, and fear of man's persecution due to my belief in Him. It's also hard for me when writing and trying to appeal both to Jews and Christians alike, for there is much we share in our faith in God, but I believe our Messiah has already come, and is coming again, and my wish is not to offend my Jewish friends by combining pleas and prayers for them with my beliefs in Jesus. That said, here goes! LOL - LR]

I hadn't known that Obama called for the UN flag to fly over the Western Wall. I pray that Bibi continues to stand strong in his promise to never divide Jerusalem. There is a LOT of pressure on him right now from many sides - earthly and definitely spiritually as well - may the Lord's Angels surround him and keep at bay the demons who seek to torment him and influence his decisions. I do believe he needs our prayers for strength, and courage. The decisions that will be made in the ensuing weeks and months are not going to be easy in the least.

As for those within Israel who call themselves “secular” Jews I pray that they will come to see the truths evident before their eyes. The Muslims will NOT concede to sharing Jerusalem, nor the Temple Mount — their signatures, and/or oaths are worth nothing when it comes to Israel. I pray that they are opened up to hearing God's word, and will stand together as a nation of God's Chosen people against the aggression coming towards them at this very moment. They have clearly stated their intentions for many years now, and their promises of peace ring hollow, and they are full of deceit.

I would hope the Israelis know that even if our usurper Pres_ent sides with the Muslims and Terrorists against Israel that many, many here in the US, both Christian and Jews alike, will be standing with them in spirit, and will be sending our earnest prayers, that they may stand tall with courage, knowing and believing in God's promises.

I believe we should start praying in earnest for those Jews (as well as Christians) here in America who have lost their way, and have been deceived and have turned their backs on Israel, and in doing so really have turned their backs on the one and only God. Maybe, just maybe they will awaken from their slumber and repent before it's too late for what they have done in voting for Obama before they too have blood on their hands by standing in league with Satan, and seeking the destruction of Israel, and the Jewish people.

I fear there is not much time left for the “Liberal” Jews in our nation to realize their mistakes and repent. May God have mercy on their souls, for they have truly FORGOTTEN their ancestors, and their heritage, and their faith, and the covenant God made with them. There is a great need for repentance among those Jews in America who continue to be deceived by the lies of Obama, which indeed are the lies of Satan.

Woe to those who have set their faces against God, and who seek the destruction of the Holy Land of Israel, and who seek to tear apart the Holy City of Jerusalem, and to those who seek the annihilation of Jews and Christians alike -- those who seek to destroy our Faith in God through oppression of all means, and outright violence against us.

May the lies and deception of Satan that hides in the dark places of men's souls and hearts be exposed through the light of our Lord God, may those who attempt to fool the people be caught up with twisted tongues, and words that betray their intentions. And, may the people of this world take heed of that which has been written in the Holy books of the Torah, and the Bible.

I also pray for the souls of the wayward, that they may find the light, and peace only found in the Lord God. That many may seek His forgiveness, and truly learn of the truth of Faith that sustains us in our darkest hours.

May the people of the world recognize evil for what it is, and turn away from their sin. May their eyes be opened to see, and their ears be opened to hear the TRUTH, for He is coming upon the Horizon. May God have mercy on us all.

Woe to those who stay stuck in their anger, their fear, and their worldly affairs and fail to accept the love of our Lord God and the Messiah Jesus Christ who was sent to save the souls of men, for He is coming on the horizon, and though we do not know the day nor the hour of His return, those who have eyes to see and ears to hear are coming to trust the feelings they have in their souls, and are beginning to awaken and recognize the signs He has told us about even centuries ago... Daily I see evidence of more and more people being awakened to the truth.

Praise God Most Holy, Our Creator, the TRUE and only ONE, the Alpha and the Omega, Father in Heaven! May God have mercy on our souls, and if it be His will may he have mercy on those who are yet weak in their Faith and truly struggle in a spiritual battle of which they may not even be aware of. May He sustain those who are yet seeking to understand all of His truths, and may He make all of their paths clear and straight that they may too be saved.

33 posted on 05/22/2009 6:28:10 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

No disagreement here.


34 posted on 05/22/2009 6:37:14 AM PDT by avenir
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To: Yankee; All

He is only paving the way. And, IMHO, is an object lesson to the world regarding how easy it will be for Satan to deceive those who are not filled with the spirit of the Lord God. Just imagine... Obama is merely a man, an evil man, one who has devoted his life to crime and deception, but merely a man, not a god nor a messiah as he himself believes, as well as those who follow him. When the Falst Prophet appears with his ability to create miracles on behalf of the REAL Anti-Christ how many more will fall on their knees in worship, and blind devotion.

I believe Obama is a warning sent to us all — another sign that the dark days are coming... Perhaps sooner than ANY of us think. It’s definitely time to repent, and prepare — for truly, even if these are not the end times spoken about in the Bible, we as individuals never know when God will call us home to account for our lives.

As for those who follow Obama — they have been sorely deceived. We really should be praying that the blinders are torn from their eyes, and that he is exposed for the fraud that he is.

I know that we as humans cannot prevent that which has been written of centuries ago — that which the Lord hath proclaimed will be, will be. The only thing we can do at this point, IMO, is continue to speak out the TRUTH, be strong and bold in our faith, and refuse to back down though it may even mean our very lives. If we are truly to walk in the path of the Lord we should all be prepared to do the same as He did for us. Greater love hath no man than he who lays down his life for a friend — and we also must remember — God, Jesus, the Angels in Heaven, THEY are our friends and we must NEVER forget them as we struggle in this world, and especially in the times to come.


35 posted on 05/22/2009 6:40:19 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Excellent post.


36 posted on 05/22/2009 6:55:40 AM PDT by avenir
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To: GeronL

I think we already knew where he stood ... last year I said he was a better fit for the U.N. than the U.S. - he’s Kofi Annan in a different suit.


37 posted on 05/22/2009 7:05:39 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: avenir

Thank you for the compliment. :)


38 posted on 05/22/2009 7:06:30 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Just paving the way for the Antichrist ... the U.N. will greet him with open arms ...

Daniel 11:39 (King James Version)

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god,
whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory:
and he shall cause them to rule over many,
and shall divide the land for gain.

Daniel 8:25 (King James Version)

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

Joel 3:1-2 (King James Version)

1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time,
when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations,
and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat (Meggido),
and will plead with them there for My people
and for My heritage Israel,
whom they have scattered among the nations,
and parted My land.

Leviticus 25:1, 23 (King James Version)

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
23 The land shall not be sold for ever:
for the land is Mine,
for ye are strangers and sojourners with Me.

Daniel 12:4 KJV

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words,
and seal the book, even to the time of the end:
many shall run to and fro,
and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9 KJV

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel:
for the words are closed up
and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 2:47 KJV

The king answered unto Daniel, and said,
“Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods,
and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets ...”


39 posted on 05/22/2009 7:11:20 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

bingo


40 posted on 05/22/2009 7:13:09 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6HF_8axllQ


41 posted on 05/22/2009 7:14:22 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

“arise out of Europe”

the Roman Empire wasn’t just Europe. A lot of people are reading that differently now.


42 posted on 05/22/2009 7:25:57 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

True. They’re taking that from “the prince of the people who shall destroy the city and sanctuary” from Daniel.

Guess we’ll see ...


43 posted on 05/22/2009 7:31:09 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

Some are reading it as the particular legion, which was made up of locals. I don’t know, but I would avoid being blinkered to one view. Much of Daniel is being unlocked though, as we get close.


44 posted on 05/22/2009 7:41:32 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
Sorry Fuerer BOZerO of the world. Get used to this flag for a long time.


45 posted on 05/22/2009 7:43:14 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: missnry

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to Obama...
“I’ll fly the UN flag in Jerusalem when you fly the Kenyan flag over the Whitehouse.”


Well-put!


46 posted on 05/22/2009 7:45:09 AM PDT by bushwon (If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it is free PJ Orourke)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
"Jordan’s King Abdullah II said the president put forward the proposal during his visit to the White House last month."

Would Abdullah lie about this? I think not. The question needs tobe brought up to Gibbs....or Obama.

47 posted on 05/22/2009 7:47:07 AM PDT by cookcounty (He who controls the Language controls the Debate.)
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To: bearsgirl90

Wish Bibi was the USA President instead of the illegal alien!


48 posted on 05/22/2009 7:55:00 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: bushwon; missnry

don’t give the undocumented Kenyan any ideas ...


49 posted on 05/22/2009 8:02:20 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: LibertyRocks

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


50 posted on 05/22/2009 8:11:36 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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