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Huge sweeps target Latino gangs that allegedly attacked blacks
LA Times ^ | May 21, 2009

Posted on 05/21/2009 9:00:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Federal authorities said they would announce today a huge sweep of Latino gang members allegedly responsible for violence against law enforcement and racially motivated attacks against blacks.

The announcement followed the arrests of dozens of suspected gang members during raids early this morning. A news release from the U.S. attorney's office called it the "largest gang takedown in United States history."

The indictment is the latest of several investigations that found gangs participating in race-based violence. Federal prosecutors two years ago charged members of a Latino gang with a violent campaign to drive blacks out of the unincorporated Florence-Firestone neighborhood that allegedly resulted in 20 homicides over several years.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: crimaliens; gangs; immigration; latinogangs; mexico; racism

1 posted on 05/21/2009 9:00:52 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: SoCalPol; Current Occupant; holdonnow

ping


2 posted on 05/21/2009 9:02:48 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Who gives a damn what race they are or whether or not their crimes are “racially motivated”? Get them **ALL** off the streets and into cells.And once the ones who are illegals have finished their sentences kick their a$$es over the border.


3 posted on 05/21/2009 9:06:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Blacks are afraid of Latin gangs.


4 posted on 05/21/2009 9:07:45 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: scooby321

“It’s not a gang, it’s a club.”


5 posted on 05/21/2009 9:10:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: scooby321
Blacks are afraid of Latin gangs.

No doubt.It's reasonable for *anyone* to be afraid of *any* gang...black...white....brown....yellow.

6 posted on 05/21/2009 9:10:34 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ok, where’s that little screaming “That’s Racist” guy?


7 posted on 05/21/2009 9:11:24 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nobody seems to care when Hispanics attack whites, but now that they are attacking blacks something has to be done.


8 posted on 05/21/2009 9:12:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yay for diversity!


9 posted on 05/21/2009 9:14:22 AM PDT by villagerjoel (Have a blog? Send me the link! I'm looking for good blogs to add to my reader.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I guess that’ll teach ‘em to attack whites next time.


10 posted on 05/21/2009 9:23:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:
Since January,2008 more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.
You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military. According to Mexicans their military has even become part of the problem. The US Border Patrol has complained to the Bush administration about Mexican military incursions to no avail.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says The liberal LA Times is now reporting that Mexico's drug wars are now north of the borders--but soto voce. Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

Yes, according Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC Alas, the Washington DC pictures have recently been taken down.

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs. One woman in San Francisco who had her family killed by an illegal is even demanding the city to drop its sanctuary city status. Illegals themselves have become the targets of kidnappers Mexican style in Arizona where drug money from south of the border is often parked.

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

That said, the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts. DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens. The Center For Immigration Studies has provided a detailed account of the illegal alien gang problem


11 posted on 05/21/2009 9:24:57 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: scooby321

From some of what I’ve read, the hispanic gangs take it to a whole new level and engage in what amounts ethnic cleansing.

Things like kill the gang member and burn his family out of their homes.


12 posted on 05/21/2009 9:25:07 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"There is no doubt that Mexicans, filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States"

-- Vincente Fox

13 posted on 05/21/2009 9:32:41 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: willgolfforfood

Definitely racial profiling!


14 posted on 05/21/2009 9:43:18 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“racially motivated attacks against blacks.”

What’s this? I thought only Whites were racists. Actually this has been known for a long time put hushed up by the media and the dimocRATS.


15 posted on 05/21/2009 9:44:25 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This will only get better as multiculturalism along with the invasion continue.


16 posted on 05/21/2009 9:45:14 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
This will only get better as multiculturalism along with the invasion continue.

Sounds like a plan to me!

17 posted on 05/21/2009 9:50:34 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So it was ok for hispanic gangs to blight their neighborhoods, terrorizing and killing hispanics but they can’t shoot black people?


18 posted on 05/21/2009 9:54:07 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Alleged Latino gang members.
19 posted on 05/21/2009 10:00:37 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ckilmer
Ok, what does all this violence have in common? The one thing that allows it to continue and for the gangs to be well armed and the one thing that makes it all worthwhile for gangs to go about killing each other and innocents? Money is the one thing and where does this money come from? Illegal drugs. legalize most drugs, most of this sh** would come to a halt. Take the money out of if and it will slow way down and stop altogether in some areas.

however, the moralistic among us will deny this, they think it is better that people are slaughtered each year over money gained from selling illegal drugs than to actually let people do what they want with their own bodies.

Stop the war on drugs, legalize them, take the money out of it, pure and simple.

20 posted on 05/21/2009 10:17:23 AM PDT by calex59
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“however, the moralistic among us will deny this, they think it is better that people are slaughtered each year over money gained from selling illegal drugs than to actually let people do what they want with their own bodies.”

It’s important to be able to stand up self-righteously and claim you moral superiority. Who cares how many people are slaughtered as long as they can feel good about themselves.


21 posted on 05/21/2009 10:21:09 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Venturer
“Nobody seems to care when Hispanics attack whites, but now that they are attacking blacks something has to be done.”

You are correct, of course. Reminds me of an old joke about Saddam Hussein complaining to Yasser Arafat: “How come you and I are basically the same, but the world hates me and rewards you with Nobel prize?” Arafat: “My friend, unlike you, I only kill Jews.”

22 posted on 05/21/2009 10:39:43 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: AliVeritas

Brown vs. Black, not a new situation.

Another interesting one are the Horn of Africa folks vs. American Blacks


23 posted on 05/21/2009 12:19:45 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Venturer
Nobody seems to care when Hispanics attack whites, but now that they are attacking blacks something has to be done.

Whatever the reason, they at least finally did do something about this particular gang. This operation was in response to one of its members killing a sheriff's deputy.

P.S. The following is a very long press release from the Dept. of Justice.

Massive Racketeering Case Targets Hawaiian Gardens Gang Involved in Murder of Sheriff's Deputy, Attacks On African-Americans and Widespread Drug Trafficking
U.S. Department of Justice
21 May 2009

LOS ANGELES, May 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In the nation's largest-ever gang sweep, approximately 1,400 law enforcement officers this morning swept across the City of Hawaiian Gardens to arrest dozens of people named in a federal RICO indictment that describes a war against the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, as well as systematic efforts to rid the community of African-Americans with a campaign of shootings and other attacks.

The investigation into the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang began after the fatal shooting of Los Angeles Sheriff's Deputy (LASD) Jerry Ortiz, who was gunned down four years ago by a gang member he was attempting to arrest on suspicion of shooting an African-American man. While the gang member, Jose Orozco, was quickly apprehended and currently sits on death row, the shooting of Deputy Ortiz sparked an investigation that culminated with today's takedown that has dealt a severe blow to the gang that has terrorized Hawaiian Gardens for nearly 50 years.

During today's enforcement action, which was part of "Operation Knock Out," 88 defendants were arrested on federal and state charges. Sixty-three of those arrests were pursuant to five federal indictments, which name a total of 147 defendants. With 35 defendants already in custody, there are now 98 defendants ready to be prosecuted in federal court. The remaining 49 defendants named in the federal indictments are either fugitives being sought by authorities or individuals who investigators are working to identify. Additional arrests are expected in this case.

"Operation Knock Out has led to federal indictments against 147 gang members, making it the largest gang sweep in U.S. history," said United States Attorney Thomas P. O'Brien. "More than 50 members and associates of the Hawaiian Gardens gang are charged with violating the federal RICO statute -- the same law that we used to knock out the mafia and which we have used with great success in Southern California in recent years to dismantle other criminal gangs."

LASD Assistant Sheriff Paul Tanaka stated, "Jerry Ortiz was an outstanding deputy sheriff and a good family man who was murdered by a cowardly Hawaiian Gardens gang member. The senseless murder of Deputy Ortiz brought new-found attention to the fact that this multi-generational gang had been terrorizing neighborhoods, running drugs, and committing violent crimes for many years. The primary purpose of 'Operation Knock Out' was to make the community a safer place for all those who had suffered under the oppressive reign of this gang. May Deputy Ortiz rest in peace."

In addition to the murder of Deputy Ortiz, the racketeering indictment discusses other violent attacks, drug trafficking, carjackings and kidnappings. For example, George Manuel Flores, the lead defendant in the RICO indictment and a longtime member of the Hawaiian Gardens gang, allegedly ordered the murder of another gang member who was believed to be cooperating with law enforcement and Flores allegedly provided a young gang member with a weapon and instructed him to shoot African-Americans who lived nearby.

"The careful process of building a racketeering case, while demanding, resulted in an unprecedented number of people being charged, to include top-echelon members of the gang," said Salvador Hernandez, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI in Los Angeles. "The law abiding citizens of Hawaiian Gardens have endured terrorizing witness intimidation, ethnic bigotry and violence around every corner for decades. Today's arrests are paving the way to justice and a better way of life for those residents."

During this investigation, approximately 31 pounds of methamphetamine were seized, along with lesser quantities of other narcotics. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) Special Agent in Charge Timothy J. Landrum stated, "Today's arrests send a message to those who are responsible for bringing violence and distress onto the streets of Los Angeles, that law enforcement is working together to take back our neighborhoods and get violent drug traffickers and street gangs out of our communities."

Below is a breakdown of the cases unsealed this morning as part of Operation Knock Out:

United States v. Flores, et al., the racketeering indictment that was returned by a federal grand jury on May 6. This indictment charges 57 defendants. Out of the 57 defendants in this indictment, 21 are already in custody and 36 were subject to arrest today.

United States v. Henley, et al., which was indicted on April 8. This case charges 20 defendants linked to the Hawaiian Gardens gang, 13 of whom where subject to arrest today, in a scheme to distribute crack cocaine, heroin, powder cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana. Four of the defendants in this case are already in custody. Three of the defendants have yet to be identified.

United States v. Barajas, et al., which charges 20 defendants in a superseding indictment returned on April 8. In this case, two defendants are already in custody and five defendants, three of whom are believed to be in Mexico, have not been fully identified. Therefore, 13 of the defendants in this narcotics case were subject to arrest today.

United States v. Sotelo, et al., which was indicted on April 29. This indictment charges 21 members of several street gangs, two of whom are already in custody and two of whom have not been fully identified, in a wide-ranging conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine. Seventeen defendants in this indictment were subject to arrest today.

United States v. Ramirez, et al., is a 29-defendant indictment that was returned on May 14 and charges members and associates of a Paramount-based gang. Out of the 29 defendants accused of conspiring to distribute a variety of narcotics, 25 were subject to arrest today as four are already in custody.

The defendants arrested this morning will be making initial appearances this afternoon in federal court in both Los Angeles and Santa Ana. If convicted of the charges alleged in the indictments, all of the defendants face mandatory minimum sentences and approximately 15 defendants face mandatory sentences of life without parole.

During "Operation Knock Out," investigators seized approximately 105 firearms. "We took some very violent criminals off of the streets today and seized the tools of their trade -- firearms," said John A. Torres, Special Agent in Charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Los Angeles Field Division. "ATF will now continue the process of tracing these firearms and targeting those who illegally supplied them to these ruthless gang members."

Robert Schoch, Special Agent in Charge of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Office of Investigations in Los Angeles, stated, "Today's operation should leave no doubt about our collective resolve to attack and dismantle the street gangs that are terrorizing our neighborhoods. ICE will continue to use its unique immigration and customs authorities to target these organizations and combat the violence and intimidation they use to hold our communities hostage to fear."

Leslie P. DeMarco, Special Agent in Charge of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) - Criminal Investigation's Los Angeles Field Office, commented, "Today's enforcement operations mark the beginning of the end of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens street gang. As a part of the HIDTA task force, IRS - Criminal Investigation specializes in following the money in illegal narcotic and criminal racketeering operations, with the intent to financially disrupt and dismantle these organizations, enabling increased criminal prosecutions and asset forfeitures."

"Operation Knock Out" was an investigation into Varrio Hawaiian Gardens conducted by the Los Angeles High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Task Force, which is comprised of agents and officers with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE); and IRS-Criminal Investigation.

The following agencies provided extraordinary support during the investigation and this morning's operation: the United States Marshals Service, the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement, the Long Beach Police Department, the Ridgecrest Police Department, the Downey Police Department, the Kern County Sheriff's Department, the Bell Gardens Police Department, the Costa Mesa Police Department, the California Highway Patrol, the Joint Forces Joint Training Base at Los Alamitos, the Los Angeles Police Department, the South Gate Police Department, the Hawthorne Police Department, the Montebello Police Department, the Santa Monica Police Department, PROAC, the Ontario Police Department, the San Diego Narcotics Task Force, the Riverside Sheriff's Department, LA Impact, the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, and the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services' Multi Agency Response Team, which rescued 26 children this morning.

SOURCE U.S. Department of Justice

24 posted on 05/21/2009 3:15:07 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

Will this mean much if the prisoners still are ganged up in prison? There’s a value to a Hell’s Island or a Gitmo for such had cases. No prison rehabs a man — but a hell hole way outside their normal experience gives them a chance.


25 posted on 05/21/2009 3:19:09 PM PDT by bvw
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To: DumpsterDiver

Edit to last “No prison rehabs such men” — the gang culture is full of ex-cons and cons still operate in the gang while in prison. Prisons BUILD the strength of the gangs as far as I understand.


26 posted on 05/21/2009 3:26:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Will this mean much if the prisoners still are ganged up in prison?

Probably not.

There's a value to a Hell's Island or a Gitmo for such had cases.

I agree.

Edit to last "No prison rehabs such men" — the gang culture is full of ex-cons and cons still operate in the gang while in prison. Prisons BUILD the strength of the gangs as far as I understand.

Well, if they're convicted it's OK with me if we just shoot 'em.

27 posted on 05/21/2009 3:33:24 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: ckilmer

I enjoy watching Gangland. I can’t wait to see this “take down” on the next season.


28 posted on 05/21/2009 3:37:28 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: DumpsterDiver

Hmmm ... if the level of violence is great, yes they could be shot under Natural Law principles — just for wearing gang colors while a disturbance is underway, or if making a threatening move!

It’s a form of war and terrorism, like piracy. Any act that identifies as person as a member of such a terrorist group makes that person an enemy combatant, subject to that which is done only in war — killing the enemy.


29 posted on 05/21/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Venturer
funny that you should mention that.... most ... er some Hispanics have a very unfavorable opinion of melanocyte enhanced individuals and see them as targets.

Just my little observation.

30 posted on 05/21/2009 4:39:46 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: bvw
Prisons BUILD the strength of the gangs as far as I understand.

nope.

Gangs are what fills the void when police and criminal justice system will not keep an area "safe".

That's how all gangs start... for protection, Strength in numbers... always.

When the cops leave an area the gangs are there to protect their turf. ... of course they want to be paid for this service, just like city taxes... except it's protection money.

All the gangs have to do in order to continue to survive is kill anybody that messes with their turf. Latin Kings, Mexican Mafia and MS-13... aren't about flash... their all about power.

The "strength" of the gang is its willingness to kill in order to intimidate. That's a big step, murder, but one that many gang bangers usually are not afraid of doing in order to "represent" or "show" their fellow punks how "el bario primero"... por la vida loca.

31 posted on 05/21/2009 4:50:42 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: bvw
Prisons BUILD the strength of the gangs as far as I understand.

nope.

Gangs are what fills the void when police and criminal justice system will not keep an area "safe".

That's how all gangs start... for protection, Strength in numbers... always.

When the cops leave an area the gangs are there to protect their turf. ... of course they want to be paid for this service, just like city taxes... except it's protection money.

All the gangs have to do in order to continue to survive is kill anybody that messes with their turf. Latin Kings, Mexican Mafia and MS-13... aren't about flash... their all about power.

The "strength" of the gang is its willingness to kill in order to intimidate. That's a big step, murder, but one that many gang bangers usually are not afraid of doing in order to "represent" or "show" their fellow punks how "el bario primero"... por la vida loca.

32 posted on 05/21/2009 4:50:42 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

http://www.amazon.com/Mexican-Mafia-Tony-Rafael/dp/1594031959


33 posted on 05/21/2009 4:53:07 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: erman

Good points! Excellent points.

But mine is true too.

Australia was populated by street thugs and hangers-on in order to make London safe again.


34 posted on 05/21/2009 4:58:03 PM PDT by bvw
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