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Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice
Eagle Tribune ^ | May 16, 2009 | Paul Tennant

Posted on 05/17/2009 5:12:32 PM PDT by Sawdring

HAVERHILL — Keni Garcia told police he intended to use the 30,000 bullets they found in his car and home for target practice.

That is hard to believe, the prosecutor at Garcia's arraignment said, because if he were to fire a gun for eight hours a day, it would take weeks for him to use all of it.

Garcia, who allegedly bought thousands of rounds of ammunition and had 10,000 bullets in his car when he was stopped by police Thursday, was ordered held on $500,000 cash bail yesterday.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ammo; ammunition; banglist; beauacraticlunacy; donttreadonme; donutwatch; guns; jackbootedthugs; jbt; leo; lping; ma; massachusetts; policestate; preparedness; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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1 posted on 05/17/2009 5:12:32 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; SLB

I’m not sure, but I think that I am fairly close to this number.


2 posted on 05/17/2009 5:14:01 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: Sawdring
Man accused of buying weapons arsenal
3 posted on 05/17/2009 5:14:15 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Ammunition hoarder!!!


4 posted on 05/17/2009 5:16:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Sawdring

Well, it’s a good start.


5 posted on 05/17/2009 5:16:46 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Sawdring

Exactly what crime is he accused of?


6 posted on 05/17/2009 5:17:21 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sawdring

What’s the crime for which he’s being required to post this half a million in bond?


7 posted on 05/17/2009 5:17:27 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Sawdring

Practice makes perfect.


8 posted on 05/17/2009 5:17:30 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Emmett McCarthy

“What’s the crime for which he’s being required to post this half a million in bond?”

He lives in Massachusetts.


9 posted on 05/17/2009 5:18:59 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: Sawdring

Is it illegal to have that much ammo?

If not, this is blasphemy.

What grounds do police have to arrest someone collecting a perfectly legal product?


10 posted on 05/17/2009 5:19:01 PM PDT by JenB987
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To: Sawdring

Why was he stopped—and what do they imagine he was going to do with the ammo, besides shoot it up?


11 posted on 05/17/2009 5:19:24 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Sawdring

Is there a limit to how much ammo you can legally have?


12 posted on 05/17/2009 5:20:01 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Sawdring

Does the average SEAL team fire that much in a year?


13 posted on 05/17/2009 5:20:06 PM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: Jeff Head

They think he is buying the ammunition to bring it to the Dominican Republic to sell it. Other than that, I don’t know.


14 posted on 05/17/2009 5:20:21 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

If there is not something more to this story this is outrageous.

Only corrupt governments fear armed law abiding citizens...oh, this is Massachusetts.

Nevermind.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 5:20:30 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: Misterioso

sagging springs....


16 posted on 05/17/2009 5:20:43 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

WTF?! A half mil for owning alot of ammo? Methinks there’s more to this.


17 posted on 05/17/2009 5:21:45 PM PDT by misanthrope (Liberals just plain suck!!)
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To: usmcobra
LOL!
18 posted on 05/17/2009 5:22:11 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Sawdring

I think I must have that much in various .22 rimfire alone. Actually over 90% of my ammo is .22. Nearly all of the .22LR fit into a single .50 cal ammo can. It is so heavy I can’t lift it. I am in the process of moving and had to have two teenage boys lift it.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 5:24:08 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: misanthrope

I clicked the link and read the story. Apparently they think he was sending this stuff out of the country, had more than one driver’s license and was not a citizen.


20 posted on 05/17/2009 5:24:30 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Was he Amish?


21 posted on 05/17/2009 5:25:58 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Jeff Head

Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said...

The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms. Such ammunition is “like gold in the Dominican Republic,” he said.


22 posted on 05/17/2009 5:26:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Sawdring

Too bad he has only “bullets.” 30,000 cartridges is a decent start on a good ammo supply.


23 posted on 05/17/2009 5:26:05 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Typical "Rightwing Extremist")
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To: JenB987
The prosecutors can't seem to get their story straight. He is accused of buying ammunition without a license (!!!). On the other hand, they accuse him of buying ammunition to ship to the Dominican Republic.

About the only thing I can see that he's guilty of is scaring a mob of Massachusetts liberals right out of their red diapers.

24 posted on 05/17/2009 5:26:36 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Sawdring
Does this mean the one year supply of food I have in my basement is illegal just because I can't use it up this week? Even if I ate it for eight hours a day, it would take me weeks to use it up.

Am I subject to a $500,000 cash bail if I can't?

What's wrong with this picture?

25 posted on 05/17/2009 5:27:35 PM PDT by Gritty (To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them-George Mason,Founding Father)
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To: Brilliant

So he’s guilty of being a savvy capitalist?


26 posted on 05/17/2009 5:27:55 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Sawdring

Dollar going down, stocks going down, I would buy that much ammo as an investment in the future.


27 posted on 05/17/2009 5:28:33 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: misanthrope; Sawdring
I read the article. It is for possession of illegal firarms (3 hand guns which he bought legally while living in New Hampshire) and illegal possession of ammunition...whatever that is.

Apparently the MASS prosecutor is contending that the man, who was supposed to have become a citizen the day after his arrest, was going to ship the ammo to the Dominican Republic for sale...although there is no evidence of that other than the man is originally from the Dominican Republic.

They found 10,000 rounds in his car and another 20,000 at his home. And here's another catcher...they also found 25,000 in cash at his home and confiscated it.

Draconian, guilty unitl proven innocent tactics not worthy of the United States of America...not to mention the conflict of interest for law enforcement on the cash.

His lawyer is arguing that no law was broken and that by law he had 60 days to get his firearms registered in MASS.

28 posted on 05/17/2009 5:29:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sawdring

FTA:

“Garcia is charged with three counts of possession of a high-capacity firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegal storage of a firearm.”

“The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms.”

“Where is the crime?” [Attorney Socrates de la Cruze] la Cruz asked. The lawyer said Garcia had lived in New Hampshire for three years before recently moving to Haverhill.”

“He bought the guns legally,” de la Cruz said. “He never hid the fact that he had them.”

“Furthermore, de la Cruz said that when Garcia moved to Haverhill, he had a 60-day grace period to obtain a Massachusetts firearms card.”

“There is no crime committed,” he argued, saying there was no evidence that Garcia was shipping guns or ammunition to the Dominican Republic.”


29 posted on 05/17/2009 5:30:30 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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To: Gritty
As for taking "weeks" to use up that much ammo, I sure have my doubts. I blew through a 50 round box of 9mm this Saturday in less than five minutes.

All target practice, nothing more.

30 posted on 05/17/2009 5:30:48 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Gritty
Shhh...they'll come for you as a dastardly horder!
31 posted on 05/17/2009 5:31:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sawdring

That’s $50/bullet for his bail. 10,000 bullets in his car and he gets $500,000 bail.


32 posted on 05/17/2009 5:31:28 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Jeff Head
"Exactly what crime is he accused of?"

Conspiracy to commit capitalism .... my guess.

33 posted on 05/17/2009 5:31:59 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

More to this I think.


34 posted on 05/17/2009 5:34:55 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: knarf

Exactly! See my post 28.


35 posted on 05/17/2009 5:35:09 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Sawdring

By tomorrow this will be tied to the shadowy US/Mexican gun runners and be the CNN/MSNBC orgasm of the day.


36 posted on 05/17/2009 5:37:08 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: behzinlea
I regularly go through several hundred rounds in an afternoon with my FAL and min-14s.

This looks like a BS charge by a prosecutor who, as Freeper knarf says, is wanting to make a criminal of that dastardly ammunition and insinuate that the man is also a captialist.

37 posted on 05/17/2009 5:37:20 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: knarf

NOT GUILTY!


38 posted on 05/17/2009 5:44:30 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Sawdring

It looks like they will get gunowners one at a time with these same tactics while everyone stands around and watches. My advice would be that if you have money or ammo in abundance squirreled away, move it into safe areas in small lots.


39 posted on 05/17/2009 5:45:38 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

He is not Guilty of Breaking any Law...

show your objection by buying more ammo...and Give some to Him.

the time is near.


40 posted on 05/17/2009 5:47:24 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

same here. 30 thou huh, well that holds me until about noon most trips to the ‘therapy facility’.


41 posted on 05/17/2009 5:47:33 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Sawdring

This sounds like one of those stories where someone is arrested on suspicion of being a bomb maker, because he has “electronic parts and chemicals that could be used to make a bomb.” Except that he is an electronics technician by trade, and his bomb making chemicals are Sani-flush, Drano, and a gallon can of gasoline he uses to fill his lawn mower.


42 posted on 05/17/2009 5:49:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sawdring
They arrest him and confiscate his ammo and then offer to drop the charges in exchange for not contesting the seizure.

It's a standard technique in any police state.

43 posted on 05/17/2009 5:50:23 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70; Emmett McCarthy
He lives in Massachusetts.

Prima facie evidence of criminal intent. Guilty.

44 posted on 05/17/2009 5:51:47 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

It isn’t as much as it sounds.

Someone could blow off 500 rounds shooting with a friend for a few hours.


45 posted on 05/17/2009 5:55:47 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: Sawdring

Letsee, I think I’ve got somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000-5000 rounds. Is there a limit? I need to know so I can make sure I’ve over it.


46 posted on 05/17/2009 5:59:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Sawdring

I’ve come home with over 12k rounds and run out within months. I shoot at least 100 rounds every day, or every other day at the least.


47 posted on 05/17/2009 6:00:06 PM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Sawdring

What did they arrest him for? Surely not for having the ammo. Why in he** do reporters always print “bullets” when they mean ammo?


48 posted on 05/17/2009 6:00:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Sawdring

That’s funny, that’s the same thing my husband told me after I reached the 4000 mark. He said, do you know how long it would take to use all those? I have since added another 800 rounds. So there.


49 posted on 05/17/2009 6:02:13 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force." George Washington)
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To: Nat Turner

When I was younger I used to fire 6,000 rounds of 30-06 ammo alone. That’s not counting the .22 and various pistol ammo I would shoot up target practicing. 30,000 rounds just isn’t that big of an amount and it cannot be the reason he was arrested. Many people in the US own that much ammo and some even more.


50 posted on 05/17/2009 6:02:49 PM PDT by calex59
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