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Does Cheney Help or Hurt the GOP?
The Washington Post ^ | May 14, 2009; 7:48 AM ET | Doug Feaver

Posted on 05/14/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by lewisglad

Dan Balz has stirred up partisans in writing that Cheney is "the most visible critic of President Obama's national security policies and, to the alarm of many people in the Republican Party, the most forceful and uncompromising defender of the Bush administration's record."

Republican-sounding readers cite the article as another proof that the MSM is a bunch of left-wing loonies and Democratic-sounding readers mostly attack Cheney and his role in the Bush Administration and cheer him on, thinking he helps their cause.

But CUPPAJO said, "I don't think it is the Reps that are wincing. I think you in the media and the Democrats are wincing. Cheney is basically saying to put it all out on the table. The media and the Democrats don't really want that b/c it will show just how hypocritical you and the Democrats are."

aelemay wrote, "The real problem the Post and all the other leftist main stream press organizations have is that Cheney is right. Obama's perspective on national defense is a Pollyanna-like belief that if we are nice to the terrorists they will be nice to us, and a completly unfounded belief that we are at fault for a lot of the world's problems. It is hard to believe anyone could be so foolish..."

iamwhoistillam1 wrote, "It's about time a spokesman for many of us out here has the courage to tell the truth about what is going on in what I used to think was still the America I knew. It is well on it's way to being quite unrecognizable. Bring it on."

kypriotis said, "This Republican isn't wincing, Dan Balz. Hooray for Dick Cheney! Someone in the GOP has to have the guts to tell the truth about the two commies, Obama and Pelosi, who are strong-arming running this nation to oblivion..."

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1 posted on 05/14/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by lewisglad
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To: lewisglad

I like Cheney alot better than the Republican Party. He can speak for me anytime. The more the better.


2 posted on 05/14/2009 8:09:49 AM PDT by dead
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To: lewisglad

It’s not about the party, it’s about national security, stupid.


3 posted on 05/14/2009 8:10:56 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: lewisglad

I think Cheney is ill. Something about him just doesn’t seem healthy. I believe this is his farewell tour.


4 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:05 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: dead
per thread rules!


5 posted on 05/14/2009 8:12:44 AM PDT by lewisglad
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To: dead

Me too. Further, I like the WAY he speaks. Clear, declarative statements.


6 posted on 05/14/2009 8:14:53 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: lewisglad

Cheney is one of the most capable and intelligent men to serve as VP and to serve as a spokeman for our party

The problem is, he is hated by 75 percent of the country

Do I like what he is doing and saying? Yes, the man is very much on his game.

The only statement I have never liked out of Cheney’s mouth is “deficits don’t matter” Took some luster away from him in my opinion


7 posted on 05/14/2009 8:14:59 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: lewisglad

I am a registered Republican and a conservative. I don’t care what those people in the GOP (or the Democratic party) say about Vice President Cheney, he speaks the truth. He loves this country and has given many years of service to it. He does not have to say what he is saying but he shows his love by speaking the truth. I say to the GOP and its leadership, get over it and start supporting what is right and stand firm against what is wrong!


8 posted on 05/14/2009 8:15:24 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: lewisglad

MSM preaches HATE Cheney for years....does NOT MEAN Americans share the “opinion”.

Saying it ad Nausem doesn’t make it mainstream.......Rove is on FOX....AND DOING FINE. Enter Cheney.....and doing better.....exit MSM.


9 posted on 05/14/2009 8:15:57 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: lewisglad

I think he hurts most Washington GOP politicians by making them look like a bunch of little girls.


10 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:38 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: dead

Cheney should replace Steele as head of the RNC. No question where I stand.


11 posted on 05/14/2009 8:16:47 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (I plan to give the new President the same respect and dignity the other side gave Bush.)
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To: lewisglad

If he hurts the Colin-Meghan wing of the GOP, that’s fine by me.


12 posted on 05/14/2009 8:17:16 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: lewisglad
HIT PIECE ALERT...Photobucket The obvious answer to this question is that he HELPS the GOP... why else would the MSM put together this piece....DUH!!!!!!!!! Just another way for these nuts jobs to keep the focus off of themselves so they can continue to poliferate LIES!!!! Just as Peolsi is doing right now by saying that the intelligence she got was full of inaccuracies and incomplete information.....what an old HAG!
13 posted on 05/14/2009 8:18:10 AM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: lewisglad

...the Cheney attacks will continue till they sink themselves!...so there!


14 posted on 05/14/2009 8:19:06 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: dead

Cheney and his wife two of a handful of adults in national politics. The vast majority of national politicians are spoiled juvenile brats fast regressing to early childhood.


15 posted on 05/14/2009 8:20:02 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Buddygirl
The problem is, he is hated by 75 percent of the country

I don't believe this is true. I believe this is what the left and the MSM WANT us to believe.

16 posted on 05/14/2009 8:20:24 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: zimfam007

we have a winning response! the MSM now frames the question not as ‘is Dick Cheney right? ‘ but as ‘is he good/bad for the GOP’


17 posted on 05/14/2009 8:20:24 AM PDT by lewisglad
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To: lewisglad

Cheney should be the head of the RNC, not Steele.


18 posted on 05/14/2009 8:21:24 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: lewisglad

“You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said “thank you,” and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.”

“A Few Good Men” Colonel Nathan R. Jessup

Dick Cheney has the stones to do for the USA what most of Capitol Hill is afraid to even THINK.


19 posted on 05/14/2009 8:21:25 AM PDT by mo
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To: lewisglad

Well, according to the p0p media and Potomac sipping RINOs, Cheney is bad and a Democrat like Powell is good. That says all that is needed about Cheney’s value to the Republican Party. Notice how you don’t hear nonsense like this when it comes to the Socialist Democrat Party. Democrat leaders can say any idiotic thing they want, and the media never frets about whether or not so-and-so is good for Democrats. Is Pelosi good for the Democrat Party? Are the blue dogs good for the Democrat Party? Republicans should help Democrats through these tough decisions.


20 posted on 05/14/2009 8:22:08 AM PDT by pallis
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To: MadIsh32

“The problem is, he is hated by 75 percent of the country>”

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I don’t know about that.

But making a very large assumption that this is true, the vast majority of those “75%” have absolutely no idea why they hate Cheney.


21 posted on 05/14/2009 8:22:34 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: MadIsh32

No, he’s HATED by about 30-35% of the country the other 30-35% are just regurgitating the propoganda they 30-35% that hate him have been spewing for the last 8 years. I will never ever ever understand why the Bush administration did such a horrendous job at public relations.

They let the radical idiots just attack and attack with little to no counters offered to any of it. Cheney sat muzzeled for 8 years while they made him out to be Satan. Now the muzzel is off, and he can go out there and speak the truth to the lies these idiots and morons have been spewing for 8 years, and he’ll show just how inept this administration is. Cheney will do to Teleprompter Turd the same thing he did to Breck Girl.. he’s the only adult in the GOP it seems today.

Those 30-35% who just hate him because they were told to, will quickly realize they were wrong, the 30-35% who are radical leftists aren’t going to change their minds no matter what, so who cares.

The real question is WHY IS CHENEY THE LONE VOICE OUT THERE ON THIS? The Republican Party while its made more than its share of mistakes that I’m angry as hell at them for over the last 8 years, the WAR ON TERROR is definately NOT one of them. Stand up to the lies these brain dead idiots are spewing by simply stating the truth, loudly, articulately and repeatedly. That’s all that needs to be done to show these fools to be the children and liars they are.


22 posted on 05/14/2009 8:24:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: lewisglad

If Cheney isn’t helping the GOP why does the MSM continue to advise him to be quiet?


23 posted on 05/14/2009 8:25:43 AM PDT by hflynn ( The One is really The Number Two)
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To: monocle

AMEN!! Cheney is the adult on the playground, the other kids want him to just go away and stop spoiling their fun.

What passes for leadership today is comical.


24 posted on 05/14/2009 8:25:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: lewisglad

hurt


25 posted on 05/14/2009 8:26:00 AM PDT by jern
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To: dead
RE :”I like Cheney alot better than the Republican Party. He can speak for me anytime. The more the better.

I am not as thrilled with him as many here are for other reasons. His current strategy will only hurt Obama if there are attacks on US or soldiers and the MSM reports it. Right now with Obama holding back the prison pictures his popularity will be high.

See : Do Deficits Matter?:It depends on where you sit...(from 2005, How about now? )DICK CHENEY SAID, "Deficits don't matter,"

26 posted on 05/14/2009 8:28:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: HamiltonJay

Cheney’s an honest straight shooter.


27 posted on 05/14/2009 8:28:31 AM PDT by Broker (Reward: $100.00 for the lost book of Islamic Praise Songs.)
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To: lewisglad

“Is Chaney Good or Bad for the GOP?”

I think it’s so nice that the Washington Post is concerned about the image of the Republican party. It just warms the cockles of my heart.


28 posted on 05/14/2009 8:30:37 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: lewisglad

Garrison Keillor:

“...I went to a party the other day and heard the word “torture” and said that I didn’t think we should prosecute the Bush lawyers who wrote those torture memos, and people jumped all over me like I was an escaped Nazi, so as long as I was persona non grata, I said some more stuff — that America would be a better country if we took the vote away from people over 65 because they are selfish and greedy. People about dropped their drinks. And then I said that cat ownership is a sign of emotional immaturity. I saw lifelong friends turn away in disgust. And you know something? I Don’t Care. It felt good.

Liquor wasn’t the cause. Crankiness was. And crankiness is the birthright of Republicans.

As Cheney said, “We are what we are. We’re Republicans. We have certain things we believe in. And maintaining our loyalty and commitment to those principles is vital to our success.” A good thing to say, and many a president of the Elks, the Odd Fellows, the Moose, the Knights of Pythias and the Ancient and Mystic Order of Hoot Owls has said something similar: We will not bend our principles so as to please people we didn’t like in the first place.

As Proust said in his “Remembrance of Things Past” — or, in French, “A la recherche du temps Perdu,” his memoir of doing research, or recherche, as a temp at Purdue and of the mysterious Madeleine, who was one of the things he remembered, but don’t let me give away the whole book, you should read it for yourselves — “Nous sommes qui nous sommes”: We are what we are, and that is the heart and soul of Republicanism today.

It is like one of those old men’s choirs who get together one Friday night a month to sing “On the Road to Mandalay” and “Stout-Hearted Men” and “Finlandia.” Other choirs are ambitious to venture into African idioms and Ojibway chanting and Bulgarian nose flute music, but these old men gather in their old blue blazers and sing “Juanita,” and doggone it, I really, really love “Juanita.” And it’s about time I admitted this.

The old men’s choirs were established by immigrants who had left their homeland, their families, their language, and come to live on a strange flat place called Minnesota, and they felt a great loneliness that could be assuaged only by standing shoulder to shoulder with other baritones and singing “Juanita.” We are what we are.

And that’s the Republican Party. Once a bulwark of All We Hold Dear, it’s now a statistical subgroup.

oldscout@prairiehome.us


29 posted on 05/14/2009 8:32:00 AM PDT by flowerplough (It's never fun. I hate cheesecake. I hate emoticons. -Danny Donkey, Pearls Before Swine, 3/8/09)
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To: dead
"I like Cheney alot better than the Republican Party. He can speak for me anytime. The more the better."

Ditto.

30 posted on 05/14/2009 8:34:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: lewisglad

I don’t give a damn about the GOP. He is a conservative and he helps conservatives. For that I stand and applaud him. If the GOP decides to take a leftward stroll, a new conservative movement will arise. The GOP is simply breaking down as a vehicle. The conservative movement is alive and well.


31 posted on 05/14/2009 8:38:08 AM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: lewisglad

Whenever my enemy tells me what I “need to do” to get my house in order, I simply remember that the advice is coming from my “enemy”.

What’s so hard to understand?

But hey, the idiots in the MSM really do believe that we are stupid enough to take their advice.


32 posted on 05/14/2009 8:39:49 AM PDT by sneakin (Remember, always pillage BEFORE you burn.)
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To: MadIsh32

He is hated because the MSM tells us he is hated. The only people who dislike him that I have met are Dems/Libtards. He is articulate, concise, and he knows his facts. I wish more politicans spoke like him!


33 posted on 05/14/2009 8:40:23 AM PDT by cups
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To: Broker

“Cheney’s an honest straight shooter.”

Bingo!

I agree solidly with all but one the comments so far on this thread (#27 at this time).

What confounds me greatly, as it apparently does attorney Mario Apuzzo in his Kerchner lawsuit, is why in the face of the national outrcry Cheney on Jan 8 did not call for objections to the electoral votes cast for O.

If Cheney is the guy we think he is with a better grasp of the big picture than any of us, his non-call for objections suggests he was aware of larger issues than just O’s failure to present his suspect qualifications.

We should look forward to that lawsuit unfolding.


34 posted on 05/14/2009 8:44:40 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Socialism is inconsistent with the Constitution and is one of the "domestic enemies".)
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To: cups

I agree with you. However if you haven’t noticed, in politics perception is reality (see Palin, Sara)

Thusly in the overall public picture, even though the former VP IS CORRECT in what he is stating, his mere presence hurts us right now


35 posted on 05/14/2009 8:55:24 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (The token Muslim :))
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To: lewisglad

He helps a lot....most GOP talking heads on TV are pussaayes


36 posted on 05/14/2009 8:58:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: lewisglad
Cheney calls it like he sees it, that's a rare trait in politics.

I'll stand with him!

37 posted on 05/14/2009 8:58:52 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: lewisglad; Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...

“Does the WaPoo want to see the GOP help or hurt in future elections?”


38 posted on 05/14/2009 9:01:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (If you like the Dept. of Motor Vehicles, the IRS, and the Post Office, you'll love govt Health Care)
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To: flowerplough
America would be a better country if we took the vote away from people over 65 because they are selfish and greedy.

Garrison Keillor is such a jackass, and all his words about not thinking it was right to prosecute the Bush Lawyers who wrote the torture memos aside, he is still a jackass, a smug, superior, arrogant insufferable wanker.

Hey Garry -- America would be a better country if we took the vote away from people who don't pay income taxes.

How much you wanna bet that Keillor, when he turns 65, would be the first to claim exception to the rule of giving up his vote because of being "selfish and greedy." I think the reason he has such a pug nose is because he got deservedly punched a lot when he was younger. He needs to be punched some more. Decades ago, I used to listen to his show ... loved it, but even then thought he was a condescending prig underneath all that Mark Twain-like humor. I had no idea how right I was!

39 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:37 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: lewisglad

Screw the WP, all part of an agenda to pollute the republican party with moderates. The republican party will do best if it gets rid of the RINOS and reestablishes a firm conservative base. I cannot wait until Colin Powell makes his announcement that he is a democrat. Good riddance to a guy who would have never made it to where he is if not for affirmative action policy in the Army...if he were white he may have made Colonel, but likely would have retired as LTC.


40 posted on 05/14/2009 9:03:20 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: lewisglad
The important thing is whether Cheney is good for the country. Apparently BO seems to think so, because he's beginning to follow Cheney's advice.

Cheney seems to be having the same kind of effect on Barack Obama that Gingrich's Congress had on Bill Clinton.

41 posted on 05/14/2009 9:05:07 AM PDT by AZLiberty (New York flyover: America, you're pwned -- Love, Barack and Michelle)
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To: MadIsh32
I just got put on a 2 week hold on another conservative forum, basically for not being tactful. Thing is, I'm just not good at being mush mouthed.

Kind words and negotiations got us into this mess, and they will not get us out of it.

I'll continue on the attack as long as the threat continues. I do not want to give the impression, for one instant, that I approve and support the liberal agenda.

42 posted on 05/14/2009 9:06:44 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: monocle

“Cheney and his wife two of a handful of adults in national politics.”

His daughter too.


43 posted on 05/14/2009 9:07:18 AM PDT by eCSMaster
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To: lewisglad

He is filling a vacuum left by the national Republican “leadership”.


44 posted on 05/14/2009 9:10:49 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: flowerplough
I said that cat ownership is a sign of emotional immaturity. -- Garrison Keillor

I think this is Garry's way of digging at Rush Limbaugh. Cats probably instinctively hate Keillor because they sense that he is stunted in compassion compared to normal humans. The fool Garry doesn't seem to ken that cats have been as important as dogs in the surival of humans in agrarian (and with cats, urban) societies. Cats eat disease-carrying, grain-eating rats and keep people warm at night. I wonder if cats didn't first develop their symbiotic relationship with humans in the eary days when humans and cats benefitted from shared warmth in cold weather.

I know I should pity Keillor, poor bitter bastard. Mostly, though, I just feel for him extreme contempt.

45 posted on 05/14/2009 9:15:51 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Carley

Very true. Cheney, like Bush, never put politics ahead of national security interests.


46 posted on 05/14/2009 9:16:25 AM PDT by bw17
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To: lewisglad

Cheney is and has been the most stable figure in the past administration. A man who holds to his convictions AND doesnt give a rats ass what anyone says about him.
Nothing rattles the man. It drives his enemies completely nuts.


47 posted on 05/14/2009 9:22:25 AM PDT by crz
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To: lewisglad

Dumb Question! Of course he helps


48 posted on 05/14/2009 9:22:25 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: HamiltonJay
Excellent take.

Even a resident libtard in my company had this to say about him: Anybody who shoots a lawyer, even accidentally, can't be all bad.

49 posted on 05/14/2009 9:49:16 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: sickoflibs
I say you can't see the forest for the trees. What Cheney is about is what right for America, not what's right for W and his Administration.

W never responded to the left because he was too much a “compassionate conservative” and went by the axiom of turn the other cheek. This was the wrong way to deal with leftists who will subvert every single thing they can get away with. Dick Cheney is not..... repeat IS NOT like W.

America and conservatism desperately needs someone to speak the truth regardless of who it may offend, that patriot is Dick Cheney.

CHENEY-PALIN 2012 . Start the movement.

50 posted on 05/14/2009 10:38:43 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo Tea Party - CHENEY-PALIN 2012)
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