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The Tentacles of Taxachusetts (forcing NH businesses to collect it's sales tax)
American Spectator ^ | May 13, 2009 | Daniel J. Flynn

Posted on 05/13/2009 5:47:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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Last week, Massachusetts' Supreme Judicial Court heard arguments in Town Fair Tire v. Massachusetts. In the coming months, the Supreme Judicial Court will decide the issue at hand: whether Massachusetts has the right to force businesses in New Hampshire to collect Bay State sales taxes when selling items to Massachusetts residents. Given the recent vote in the Massachusetts House of Representatives to increase sales taxes by 25 percent, the impulse to dam the flood of Massachusetts shoppers into sales-tax-free New Hampshire grows stronger among Bay State officials perpetually frustrated with potential tax dollars flowing north across the border.

Town Fair Tire v. Massachusetts revolves around a tax bill presented to three New Hampshire Town Fair Tire (TFT) stores by the Massachusetts Department of Revenue. The bill stems from a Massachusetts audit of the New Hampshire stores covering the period of October 2000 to April 2003. The Bay State estimated that it lost revenue justly owed to it due to more than 300 border-crossing shoppers, and demanded that TFT -- which has numerous stores in Massachusetts as well -- pony up $108,947 in taxes, interest, and penalties.

TFT's invoices revealed customers listing Massachusetts addresses. "Based upon the evidence, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the [Tax] Board inferred that the vehicles owned or operated by Massachusetts residents also bore Massachusetts registration plates ('license plates') and certificates of inspection ('inspection stickers'), which provided additional evidence to TFT of the intended place of use of the tires," the state's appellate tax board judged. Massachusetts assumed that the addresses on the invoices were connected to cars with Massachusetts plates and inspection stickers, the presumed sight of which should have prompted tire technicians to alert clerks to assess a 5 percent tax upon the sale.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: donttreadonme; economy; salestax; taxachusetts; taxes; townfairtire

1 posted on 05/13/2009 5:47:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Ugh, the “it’s” should be “its” in the title.


2 posted on 05/13/2009 5:48:24 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

This is comical to the extent that MA liberals go into NH to avoid sales taxes even though they impose on themselves some of the highest rates of taxation in the country. It makes one doubt the intelligence of John F. Kerry, EMK, and indeed the MA voters themselves. But they know everything in MA, right?


3 posted on 05/13/2009 5:53:28 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: reaganaut1

The Mass DOR can make the IRS look like amateurs.


4 posted on 05/13/2009 5:53:39 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: reaganaut1
TFT's invoices revealed customers listing Massachusetts addresses. "Based upon the evidence, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the [Tax] Board inferred that the vehicles owned or operated by Massachusetts residents also bore Massachusetts registration plates ('license plates') and certificates of inspection ('inspection stickers'), which provided additional evidence to TFT of the intended place of use of the tires,"

My inference would be that former Massachusetts residents were escaping the socialist government of that People's Republic, moving to a state with more individual rights and freedom, and that the "intended place of use of the tires" was outside Massachusetts. Of course, I would expect a mechanic installing tires to pay more attention to my tires than to speculation on my future plans. I hope TFT wins in court. If not, I hope they stop collecting addresses and ignore the socialist government to the south.

6 posted on 05/13/2009 5:55:08 AM PDT by TurtleUp
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To: reaganaut1
It's important to note that NH stores do not collect sales tax at all. They have no mechanism for it. MA is trying to mandate that private businesses, in another state, spend money to implement tax collection activities, and forward that money out of the state, in order to benefit MA.

It's like NH is paying tribute ($) to the Liberal elite of MA. Was there a war? Did NH lose?

7 posted on 05/13/2009 5:58:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: reaganaut1

There is a mall in Nashua right by the Massatwochits border where folks love to shop. Rumor was, when it was built, a corner of the building was on the Mass border. Mass. tried collecting taxes from that store. So the mall built a wall inside that store, and knocked down the corner so it no longer resided on the Mass property.


8 posted on 05/13/2009 5:58:10 AM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspell.)
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To: reaganaut1

If the Massachusetts DOR was serious, it would go after the customers individually for unpaid use taxes, as it is probably already empowered to do. The businesses operating outside of MA should tell the DOR to go screw itself.


9 posted on 05/13/2009 5:58:15 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: TurtleUp

Cash is king.


10 posted on 05/13/2009 5:58:29 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Was there a war? Did NH lose"

I believe that NH was invaded and taken over by Massholes. Much less "Live Free or Die" there today.

11 posted on 05/13/2009 6:00:11 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: reaganaut1
...Massachusetts has the right to force businesses in New Hampshire to collect Bay State sales taxes when selling items to Massachusetts residents

Heck, why stop with New Hampshire? Go for the other forty-eight states! And don't let those Bay Staters on European and Caribbean vacations get off either!

12 posted on 05/13/2009 6:02:40 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: reaganaut1
Well, I imagine that the Federal courts will, in the end, inform Mass that they are, in fact, not a Federal government and that the provisions of the Commerce Clause are not the purview of the respective States.
13 posted on 05/13/2009 6:03:45 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: reaganaut1

I would like to apologize to all the residents of New Hampshire for all of the Mass-holes that left Taxachusetts and moved to your state and started voting for the same type of liberals up there that they were trying to get away from down here.


14 posted on 05/13/2009 6:05:02 AM PDT by massmike
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To: pnh102
If the Massachusetts DOR was serious, it would go after the customers individually for unpaid use taxes, as it is probably already empowered to do. The businesses operating outside of MA should tell the DOR to go screw itself.

Exactly! There is a vehicle in place already to collect these taxes from individuals. I don't see how they have any jurisdiction over the businesses outside of massachusetts, even if there are stores in Mass.

TFT and every other business should be working VERY hard to kill this likely precedent-setting measure post haste!

15 posted on 05/13/2009 6:10:26 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: reaganaut1
If fast Eddie Rendell hears about this he may set up road blocks on the Delaware-Pa. border for those of us who live in SEPa.If it is expensive and we can carry it,(or borrow a truck) we buy it in Delaware where there is no sales tax. Drive down US 202 into Delaware and the state line is marked by the retail buildings on either side of the road. Philadelphia is instituting a 5 year “temporary” sales tax increase to 8% (2 points higher than the rest of the state)to help with the “fiscal” crises. Yeah, that will help. Not that far to Delaware from Philly.
16 posted on 05/13/2009 6:15:20 AM PDT by pennboy
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To: reaganaut1
New Hampshire has no state sales tax and no mechanism to collect one. The one-party dictatorship of Massachusetts has no right to impose a requirement that makes other states act as tax collectors for them. I expect the Federal courts will tell them to go pound sand.

It's bad enough that NH residents who work in Massachusetts have to pay income tax to the People's Republic - that's what used to be called "taxation without representation" in less "enlightened" times. And now, the same greedy legislators who drive their taxpayer-fueled SUV's up here on weekends to stock up on tax-free liquor, smokes, etc. want NH businesses to help them steal more income from Massachusetts residents? As Howie Carr would say: "Hey: screw!"

17 posted on 05/13/2009 6:20:24 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: massmike

“I would like to apologize to all the residents of New Hampshire for all of the Mass-holes that left Taxachusetts and moved to your state and started voting for the same type of liberals up there that they were trying to get away from down here.”

hey i fled to NH from MA and voted my conservatism in every election thus far. Unfortunately my wifes career may take us back to MA - YUCK


18 posted on 05/13/2009 6:23:10 AM PDT by DM1
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To: pnh102

The businesses operating in New Hampshire also operate in Massachusetts and Massachusetts can and will litigate them into bankruptcy if they don’t comply.


19 posted on 05/13/2009 6:23:26 AM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
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To: reaganaut1

Mass. has a list of customers who purchased in NH? Go after the customers, then!

Oh wait, that might affect votes...


20 posted on 05/13/2009 6:26:47 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Paladin2
Much less "Live Free or Die" there today.

The originators of that phrase were just a little off. it should have said "I Live Free or They Die!"

21 posted on 05/13/2009 6:35:48 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

So as a NH resident, when I buy something in Massachusetts, will they not collect the 5% sales tax on me? Only seems fair.


22 posted on 05/13/2009 6:46:21 AM PDT by AStack75
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To: reaganaut1
from a Massachusetts audit of the New Hampshire stores

Well, right there's the problem.

23 posted on 05/13/2009 6:49:24 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (God's Riches At Christ's Expense.............Selah.)
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To: reaganaut1

First the Massholes invade New Hampshire, and now, they’re trying to impose Masshole taxes on New Hampshire businesses. Geesh!


24 posted on 05/13/2009 6:58:17 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: pennboy
Actually many years ago when we moved into either MD or MA they wanted us to pay tax on the furniture that we brought into the state. I also had to pay a tax on my 1960 Falcon's assessed value. They assessed it at $700 and I said sold and they got angry. I said you can drive it away for that because it was a high mileage junker.

New York state collects sales tax on sales outside of the state which are shipped in. And so the story goes in the land of the free and the home of the brave. The end may be in sight.

25 posted on 05/13/2009 6:58:18 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: pennboy

Here in Maryland, Martin O’Moron and his friends in the Legislooture raised the sales tax from 5% to 6%. So now, my home improvement goods come from Delaware. :-)


26 posted on 05/13/2009 7:02:18 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: reaganaut1

I love watching these spend addicted liberal states go crazy as their tax revenues go down.


27 posted on 05/13/2009 7:02:40 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: arthurus

Then they need to close their Mass. operations.

Why do people keep supporting these leftist azzholes?


28 posted on 05/13/2009 7:11:12 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: pnh102

It’s cheaper for Mass to force others to do their own work, doncha know!


29 posted on 05/13/2009 7:16:42 AM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: arthurus
"The businesses operating in New Hampshire also operate in Massachusetts and Massachusetts can and will litigate them into bankruptcy if they don’t comply."

Or, the companies will merely close their MASS stores and operate only in NH. That will be a huge victory for Mass!

30 posted on 05/13/2009 7:18:27 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: reaganaut1

Remember to pay your homestate for all hamburgers you purchase at McDonalds and other chains while out of state...


31 posted on 05/13/2009 7:18:51 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (What happened to the end of the politics of personal destruction that Obama claimed to be bringing?)
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To: reaganaut1

I find I live in what I would call a tax utopia: In Washington State near the Oregon border. We have no state income tax, but a high sales tax. Oregon has no sales tax, but a high income tax. Solution: Live in Washington and shop in Oregon.


32 posted on 05/13/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
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To: reaganaut1

Town Fair Tire has a records keeping problem.


33 posted on 05/13/2009 7:30:57 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: AStack75

Great thought.


34 posted on 05/13/2009 7:33:22 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: a fool in paradise
Actually many states tax rules require residents to pay taxes on all purchases ought of state which did not include a sales tax,plus so-called use taxes on purchases at yard sales,private sales,mail-order sales.

Cash is best ,but giving your name and or phone number to the merchant means you are in the databases.

About 5 years ago Wal-Mart would not sell me tires without my handing over my driver's license ;I walked out and have bought 5 full sets of tires elsewhere without their BS.Still even the shop I generally buy from has gotten more computerized and less personal.

35 posted on 05/13/2009 7:38:06 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: andy58-in-nh

It’s even worse. If the hike the sales tax to 6.25% not only will they add a $15/1000 reason to travel to NH, they will also enforce the NH trip as a way to tell Devall to f-off. Tires, paint, cigarettes, liguor, door hardware, appliances, ammunition...there are so many ways to make a trip to NH pay now. It is going to make retailers in Mass within 20 miles of the border obsolete.


36 posted on 05/13/2009 7:45:06 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: MSF BU
Well, from my point of view it would be great, because it will help boost New Hampshire's retail economy. Years ago, when I lived in Massachusetts (within 10 miles of the NH border) we'd make the trip at least a couple times a week. Today, the cost savings would be incredible, and I although do sympathize with the Mass. retailers who will suffer as a result, somebody keeps voting for those same people and party over and over again...
37 posted on 05/13/2009 7:53:12 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: reaganaut1
Joined the Army out of Maryland as a teenager. Of course for years afterward I was assessed, and had to pay, Maryland state income tax simply because it was my “home of record”. Even though I owned nothing that was in Maryland.

After the third year of this I wrote a letter asking why I had to pay income tax to a state I no longer resided in.

They actually told me that it was the law and that I was paying them back for all the services I used over the prior 17 years. Of course, they made no mention of the taxes my parents paid.

As soon as I was legally able, I changed my state of residence to Texas for the remainder of my time in the service. Ever since I have endeavored to spend as little money as possible in Maryland.

38 posted on 05/13/2009 8:04:12 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama has raised gas prices 40%. Thank you Obamanation!)
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To: pnh102
>>If the Massachusetts DOR was serious, it would go after the customers individually for unpaid use taxes, as it is probably already empowered to do.<<

Yep. However, I think the problem is that this is not as cut and dried as mail order, where there is a beautiful money/delivery trail right to your door. This is a touch more complicated and/ therefore, more litigious.

39 posted on 05/13/2009 8:07:22 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: arthurus

Or vice-versa.


40 posted on 05/13/2009 8:08:54 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In washington state, the sales tax is approaching 10%, but there is not tax on food.

Most of my purchases no (the gross majority, actually) is through craigslist, garage sales, or mail order.

We completely upgraded the furnishings of our five bedroom home this year with all antiques and leather, every single piece of which came from craigslist. Even our stereos, my basses, amps and recording equipment came from craiglist or out of state mail order. Likewise my cigars.

I did buy a cheap light duty power washer at Harbor Freight for $79 (plus tax).


41 posted on 05/13/2009 8:14:43 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: sportutegrl

Have you noticed the tax rate in Longview is several points lower than the rest of the state? Good ol’ competition.


42 posted on 05/13/2009 8:15:52 AM PDT by RobRoy (I'm wearing a cast on one hand. My spelling and clarity may not be up to par right now.)
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To: reaganaut1

This is insane.

These people have lost all ability to have rational thoughts.


43 posted on 05/13/2009 8:21:55 AM PDT by CriticalJ
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To: pnh102
From a legal standpoint, you are correct. A mail order business shipping to Massachusetts from New Hampshire would, under the supreme court ruling Quill vs. North Dakota have an obligation to collect and remit sales tax when shipping to Massachusetts addresses. However, even that 1980's ruling has subsequently depended on compacts between states as an enforcement mechanism. I can't imagine that New Hampshire would be in such a compact since it would have nothing to gain.

When it comes to purchases made in one state and brought into another, the state of the resident may mandate that the resident has the obligation to declare and pay tax on their purchase. Most have chosen not to do so simply because the enforcement mechanism is not there. Subsequently, my state (Pennsylvania) which has no sales tax on clothing, sees a lot of visitors from neighboring states buying clothing. It is actually one of the few bright spots in our economy here. The politicians, as dense as they are otherwise, actually realize the taxes they miss on clothing are more than made up by payroll taxes, busines taxes and income from clothing shopping tourists.

There are numerous examples elsewhere in the nation which have major economic impact. Bottom line is that the Massachusetts DOR can regulate their own citizens (if they can), but they cannot require businesses in another state to do their work for them absent an interstate compact to do so.

44 posted on 05/13/2009 8:44:47 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Theodore R.
Massachusetts is way over-rated in the taxation department. Come on down to Connecticut! We're number 1!
45 posted on 05/13/2009 8:49:54 AM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: theDentist
Yeah, that's the Pheasant Lane Mall.

Right down the street is a Jordan's Furniture store that is located in NH, but the store has 2 other locations in Massachusetts (they decided to expand to NH when the Mall was announced).

They collect Mass sales tax in that store. When my wife and I shopped there, we decided we weren't going to by there for that reason.

Ironically, there is a Bernie and Phyl's furniture store that is almost right across the street from that mall, and to the best of my knowledge, they don't collect sales tax (from NH residents, at the very least. We bought a mattress there, and we paid no sales tax on it).

They tried to do this a few years ago with liquor sales. Mass would send Gestapo state troopers up looking for Mass license plates in liquor store parking lots. The Governor's office got wind of what was happening, and ordered it's own state troopers to intervene, telling the Mass cops if they didn't bug out, there were subject to arrest.

The Governor also told Mr. Dukakis that under no circumstances would this type of behavior be permitted, and it would be in everyone's best interest if he just forgot about engaging in such folly.

Of course, that was during the Reagan years. I don't have to elaborate on that....

CA....

46 posted on 05/13/2009 8:52:06 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Chances Are

I remember that! Yes, when ol’ Mikey asked for a legal assessment of if NH could arrest his Staties, he was told yes. He said they had weapons to defend themselves, and was told that NH State Police had them too, and did he really want this to become a national issue?

Looks like a new battle may be brewing. I wonder what NH pols think of this?


47 posted on 05/13/2009 9:02:18 AM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspell.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

NY sent people to NJ shopping centers to check on NY cars in their parking lots. The malls told them to screw off and if they found license plate checkers in their parking lots writing down license plate numbers, they’d have them arrested for trespassing.


48 posted on 05/13/2009 9:03:21 AM PDT by goldi
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To: reaganaut1

I wouldn’t do it anyway If I were the business, what are they going to do “card” everyone??

If MA fines them, then go to their own General Court, and Griviences and petition to STOP MA(SS)’s unconstitutional and tyranous power grab. I am not in NH, but I sympathize MA can *go to hell and Deval should fail as a Governor!


49 posted on 05/13/2009 9:45:10 AM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: pnh102
If the Massachusetts DOR was serious, it would go after the customers individually for unpaid use taxes, as it is probably already empowered to do. The businesses operating outside of MA should tell the DOR to go screw itself.

It's always easier to go after one big target than thousands of small targets, especially since the yield per small target (average Massachusetts shopper) is so small, and so difficult to calculate and tax. Besides, these little Massachusetts taxpayers actually have the right to vote. Horrors, they might start calling their representatives on the Massachusetts Senate and House of Representatives and venting their rage. I'm certain that these representatives will be just so happy to give the Massachusetts DOR people a big hug and a sloppy kiss for jamming their phone lines.
50 posted on 05/13/2009 11:41:06 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's a sin to mock a killing bird. And in general very risky.)
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