Posted on 05/11/2009 9:48:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Now a Creationist
CMI Ph.D. scientist and author explains to an outside website what turned him to biblical creation
How does someone with an essentially secular upbringing and secular education become a staunch supporter of biblical creation? (See also previous Boundless article A Theory of Creation). There was no single reason, but many pieces of evidence that accumulated into an overwhelming case...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Ping!
There are lots of fellows like this Jonathan Sarfati PHD out there, but you’ll never get an acknowledgment from the fr evolutionist crusaders.
Money quote!:
‘How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software? … Nobody knows … ’—Paul Davies
I always thought that it took more faith to believe in evolution than in a creator. Of course both take faith but I would expect that the continual advances in biochemistry might change minds. I know that sometimes the more your understand about the world around you, the more you are amazed at the result!
Not to knock all you atheists/evolutionists, but really, doesn’t’ it take a lot more faith to belief in evolution?
Oh well, can we at least say that either takes a lot of faith! Micro evolution maybe, macro evolution - a great stretch...
Very interesting, thank you for posting about this gentleman.
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My pleasure :o)
I’ll check it out. I’ve always wondered about Dr. Wilder-Smith. I have never been directly impacted by his work, but there are plenty of scientists who I admire who were profoundly influenced by him.
All the best—GGG
BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.
PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS.
Heh...right on... what I was getting at anyway... Yep, if you look at some of the jumps in so-called evolution, you could not imagine that they could occur! Some of these so called evolution changes requires many changes at once. Now just how is that going to happen via evolution?
Can’t..., but there is not discussion about it...
Here's the link:
That's what bugs me about this whole argument - what justifies this "turn around"? Why not admit that evolution could at least be part of a Divine Mechanism? Or at least admit that science cannot rule out such a conclusion?
After all, Heisenberg mathematically proved that that mathematics can never determine Prime Cause, and what is science without mathematics (which includes logic itself)?
Wow...now you are getting into the more complex areas of our beginning... Just where did it all begin? It is a wonderful question though.. Mercy, everything begins from the same atoms (or most of all atoms). It really is a wonder and really, how could anybody think that it just “happened”?
Well, there are those that think that this just occurred naturally - the universe just happened. Wish them well, but come on....
Thanks for the ping!
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"I had several discussions with Heisenberg. I lived in England then [circa 1972], and I visited him several times in Munich and showed him the whole manuscript chapter by chapter. He was very interested and very open, and he told me something that I think is not known publicly because he never published it. He said that he was well aware of these parallels. While he was working on quantum theory he went to India to lecture and was a guest of Tagore. He talked a lot with Tagore about Indian philosophy. Heisenberg told me that these talks had helped him a lot with his work in physics, because they showed him that all these new ideas in quantum physics were in fact not all that crazy. He realized there was, in fact, a whole culture that subscribed to very similar ideas. Heisenberg said that this was a great help for him. Niels Bohr had a similar experience when he went to China. "
– Fritjof Capra, interviewed by Renee Weber in the book The Holographic Paradigm (page 217–218)
If there were to be any proof of the existemce of “God”, for me at least, It is based upon what science can tell us about Physics. I only skimmed the article, which is great and compelling, but these are not new revelations in reguards to biology and Chemistry. I guess for the anylitical mind such as mine, the evidence within the Physical sciences, (Cosmoligy, and sub nuclear), In support of the “Big Bang” theory, is a closed case in support of a creator. No atheistic cosmoligist, or partical physisist can prove a theory in which evidence can only exist in an alternate universe we can never observe. But I do give credit where credit is due, good science came forth from the “atheistic stubborness” of Physicists like Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow, trying to prove “Steady State” theory.
I’m not confilicted, God exists, and indeed, “God is in the details”.
O.K., but let’s talk about something really serious.
This is the title of another thread recently posted,
“Evolution is slowing snails down”.
You really have to read this (bring your own garlic butter).
Thanks for posting!
Saving this one.
“That’s what bugs me about this whole argument - what justifies this “turn around”? Why not admit that evolution could at least be part of a Divine Mechanism?”
The article doesn’t state it, but perhaps the author, in the process, has met the Creator, and knows better now.
That is because we recognize Jonathan Sarfati's "just so" story is a lie. He bolstered a failing scientific career with a twist toward the bizarre.
Yep..that is a grand question... Just how did those atoms happen to align just so...and how did they combine to create life... It is a wondrous question. Just happenstance just does not seem to answer the question. Anyone who studies either chemistry or biology has to eventually come upon the question of evolution and question it...
There are scientists (Ilya Prigogine, Stuart Kaufman... ) who have even hinted that life came from spontaneous creation of order out of disorder- just like that! “Self Organizing structures” I believe they call it. Scientists will postulate one cockamamie theory after another to deny creationism.
“What is all the fuss about anyway? “
Biblical inerrancy.
Yes...just another of those questions that we can NOT answer... Either atoms and the wonderful mathematical collaboration between them existed at the beginning or and it just all happened to come together (evolution theory), or something greater had a hand. Our choice - and isn’t is nice that everything requires faith in one or the other. If you look at the overall collection of science on the matter, it is really hard to believe that it just was an accident...
Seems to be based on something I’ve read somewhere - heh...
*Yawn*
What manner of “scientist” is this that dismisses “deep time” on questions about sedimentary rock formation, and doesn’t even address the radiometrics that are actually used to estimate the age of the Earth?
In all cases, each person ended up accepting the Bible as Fact, proved using their scientific or legal training.
Or else, we need to burn him at the bunsen burner as a heretic.
sweet!
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Because he had come to the obvious conclusion that evolution was not a mechanism at all, but just a series of hopes for a mechanism, and the final realization the the shear power of God was the only mechanism that could do the job.
Occasionally, when trying to repair something, I can visualize a tool that would make the job go smoothly, and eliminate the frustration that I may happen to be experiencing, but rarely does such a tool as I have imagined, or even faintly similar, really exist. I think that this is where the author found himself WRT evolution - it doesn't really exist, and wishes ain't horses.
This is really all you have, isn't it!
In each of the thosands of times that your system of unbelief is shattered, all you have to do is call it all a lie. No need for evidence, nor logic, nor reason; just pbbbbttt!
The only sad thing about this story is that a Jew felt he had to become a chr*stian in order to defend the Torah. G-d help us.
I can see why you believe in Creationism. You "know" things that you could not possibly know. You know that my system of unbelief has been shattered thousands of times. How do you know this? You conjured it up in your own little mind. No need for evidence, nor logic, nor reason; just pbbbttt!
Look at the guy's biography. He started off strong, really strong, but petered out. He needed something to bring his ego back up. He was a small fish in a big pond in the science community. He switched to the Creationist community where he could be a big fish in small pond.
I’m no scientist, but common sense tells me.. there are no ‘accidents’.. The only thing we have control over is our ‘reactions’.
True that Sopater.
The more that is learned about the intricate complexities in the field of microbioligy, the better - reguardless of any conclusions or opinions of those that research or study it, it benifits mankind as a whole.
That said, ID (aka God), gets a real boost of creedence in all sciences when concidering how the physical laws of Entropy and Thermodynamics deny the fundamental precepts of evolution.
The book of Genisis mirrors more of proven science, for in it we can see the devolution of nature.
Flip the coin, and we can see where the DEA has brought our youth, to where we are now.
ID does not stand a chance in the public school arena, the wisdom of the bible shows us how mankind fell from ‘grace’, or, our own “devolution”. This fall from grace cotinues to this day in many forms, the most disgusting and disturbing of which is the way in which kids in Pubic Skools are still tought Charles Darwins theorys - this creates more chaos, confusion, and more doubt, about “a God” existing.
Thanks to many educators of our youth, Darwinian concepts spawned evil Eugenics, soulessnes, and animalistic subhuman behavior upon those kids that did not recive enough - or any - parental or spiritual guidance.
As a Christian, I am appalled (sp) at what I see going on now in the schools, Darwin was bad enough, but now we teach our youth how to put plastic sheathes on long vegitables, the schools practically teach kids that they ARE pollution.
If you are a parent, talk to, and teach your your kids as best you can, let them know that they are more than a sack of cells hormonally bound to do stupid things. Teach them as you see fit, but let them know they are more than mere animals, and for goodness sake, if you know that the school is teaching them goofy things, let your voice be heard.
I think it’s great you can do that for your kids Sopater, AND I’ll go one further and say if there were any justice, You’d get a juicy tax break. That said:
God bless those in Acedemia that put thier accredited PHD based careers on the line in opposition to evilution.
Your bitterness, and arrogance are so thick that one could build a house on them for starters.
Then there's the fact that your comments were so far from reality; completely imagined.
Nods and smiles.
Sorry to pop your bubble, but massive, overwhelming evidence exists in innumerable instances of evolution being an obvious and abiding mechanism for change in nature, found virtually everywhere. For one small (but illustrative) example, I recommend a book called "The Beak of the Finch."
However, the real, scientific argument against evolution is that it doesn't seem to be enough of a mechanism to enable the gross changes we find in the fossil record. That's why science developed the theory of Punctuated Equilibrium, to somehow postulate that evolution can bring about a crisis in development that enables some sort of "jump" (which has never been proven).
But of course, the very need for such a theory points directly to the weakness of evolutionary theory - not as a viable mechanism per se, but powerful enough one.
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