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Gravity: A Theory in Crisis (no joke!)
CEH ^ | May 5, 2009

Posted on 05/06/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Gravity: A Theory in Crisis

May 5, 2009 — Note: This is **not** a joke. How could gravity be a theory in crisis? Isn’t gravity one of the best-understood facts of nature? Don’t we all avoid jumping off cliffs because of the law of gravity? Gravity is doing just fine, thank you. It’s our theory of gravity, and the cosmology built on it, that is in crisis – according to a report on PhysOrg today: “Study plunges standard Theory of Cosmology into Crisis.”...

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To: Pox
No no no! You see, the whole point behind the regular posting of this gibberish by GGG is to try and convince people that if any possible flaw in any theory that does not support creation has been found, any reworking of said theory is pointless and useless as the flaw implies that creationism is the only alternative and creationism MUST be the correct answer.

That's a novel theory. I'd always thought the point was to try to convince the world that conservatives are creationist loonies, being done on a grant by the Democrat Party.

41 posted on 05/06/2009 11:05:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625

Now you’ve gone and done it, bringing in facts and stuff... how dare you?


42 posted on 05/06/2009 11:05:28 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I don’t ‘know’—as in scientifically proven; I rely upon inference ... what is it about mass (that’s an accumulation of particles) that warps spacetime? Something in the particles is responsible as they accumulate. Add to that question that ‘speed’ of an object influences the temporal passage for the object in motion—or an object caught in a gravitational field such a black hole.


43 posted on 05/06/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Could it be that mass is an accumulation of temporal quanta? Isn't a particle merely a little bit of space and a smidgen of time wrapped up with energy? If the warping of spacetime is what gravity is, why have we left the temporal accumulation out of the reasoning?

Wonderful questions, MHGinTN! Somebody ought to be chasing them down.

[BTW, how's your book coming along???]

44 posted on 05/06/2009 11:10:45 AM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'd always thought the point was to try to convince the world that conservatives are creationist loonies, being done on a grant by the Democrat Party.

Actually, THAT makes a lot of sense.

45 posted on 05/06/2009 11:12:15 AM PDT by Wissa (I despise the liberal media.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The money quote:

“it is conceivable that we have completely failed to comprehend the actual physics underlying the force of gravity”....”.

Give the man a prize for understatement! We may not be able to fully comprehend how gravity works. So far the descriptions have fallen short and describing a thing is not the same as understanding it, a start, yes, but not the same.

If the nature of gravity is not completely understood it's not surprising theories based upon our very imperfect and limited understanding prove to be faulty.

46 posted on 05/06/2009 11:13:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ZULU
"How much does a breeze weigh?"

Today in Fort Worth, it's weighing in at around 29.9 and rising.

47 posted on 05/06/2009 11:19:24 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: betty boop

Thanks for asking ... I’m about to finish it and move on.


48 posted on 05/06/2009 11:19:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

OK, bottom line - does this mean that the next time I step on the scales I will weigh less?


49 posted on 05/06/2009 11:20:39 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Proud Veteran - Sworn to Defend The Constitution! - Caution: That makes me a Right-Wing Extremist.)
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To: PapaBear3625; Monty Python; Pox; editor-surveyor

==Any changes to theory will still have physics and astronomy being incompatible with the notion that the universe was created 6,000 years ago (or 10,000 or anything less than billions of years).

Not at all. Creation cosmologists have already demonstrated that it is possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and both be the result of the SAME creation event. See the following for more:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf


50 posted on 05/06/2009 11:20:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I see you want to get right to the very heart of the matter!

PS Cool screen name!


51 posted on 05/06/2009 11:24:24 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: MHGinTN; betty boop
If the warping of spacetime is what gravity is, why have we left the temporal accumulation out of the reasoning?

Indeed, many physicists - even knowing and accepting General Relativity - tend to check "time" at the door.

The subject of time, particularly when one considers the possibility of additional temporal dimensions wrecks havoc on presuppositions, especially physical causality (Vafa, Wesson et al).

52 posted on 05/06/2009 11:44:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

I firmly believe that the terms “dark matter” and “dark energy” are gonna sound awfully foolish at some point in the future.

Let’s face it, they’re made up concepts to reconcile the failings of current understanding.

Not much more than alchemy in that sense...


53 posted on 05/06/2009 11:48:17 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

I’ve always had a feeling that the existence of “dark matter” was simply a cosmic accounting error that was throwing off our understanding of mass in the universe.


54 posted on 05/06/2009 11:57:24 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Even if it does exist, dark matter would be unable to reconcile all the current discrepancies between actual measurements and predictions based on theoretical models.”

The problem is not with the theory, it’s the parameters of the model that are flawed.


55 posted on 05/06/2009 12:05:58 PM PDT by FormerRep
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To: andy58-in-nh
Quantum mechanics is definitely not for lightweights. Some of the theoretical implications are so paradoxical that trying to wrap your mind around them is like trying to nail water to a wall - with a hammer made of light and a faucet that wasn’t turned on until tomorrow.

LMAO!!!

(Thanks for the laugh! My son loved it, too!)

56 posted on 05/06/2009 12:18:59 PM PDT by Marie
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To: lafroste

Could you point me to your novel, please? :)


57 posted on 05/06/2009 12:23:31 PM PDT by Marie
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To: theFIRMbss

“What Can You Do About Sagging Breasts?”

Wear two Sagging Gut devices.


58 posted on 05/06/2009 12:27:17 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; PapaBear3625
Maybe you can explain what it is about physics that necessitates an old earth?

You won't get a cogent answer. The only thing about physics that necessitates an old earth is the devotion of the physics community to the Temple of Darwin.

Physics has been contaminated with evolutionary nonsense since after Maxwell's time.

59 posted on 05/06/2009 12:27:35 PM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: MHGinTN
[ Isn't a particle merely a little bit of space and a smidgen of time wrapped up with energy? ]

Thats cute.. well said.. could be kinda/fairly true..

My problem is with space/vacuum.. Space cannot be empty..
It must be filled with something.. What is nothing?..
If space is nothing, what is that nothing?.. the nothing must be something..

Dark matter/energy?.. I can live with that..
Even though we cannot see, touch or measure it..
It is there.... Where ever there is..
Dark whatever can also probably be here.. I sometimes know where here is..

Did I say anything?..

60 posted on 05/06/2009 12:27:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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