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Gravity: A Theory in Crisis (no joke!)
CEH ^ | May 5, 2009

Posted on 05/06/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Gravity: A Theory in Crisis

May 5, 2009 — Note: This is **not** a joke. How could gravity be a theory in crisis? Isn’t gravity one of the best-understood facts of nature? Don’t we all avoid jumping off cliffs because of the law of gravity? Gravity is doing just fine, thank you. It’s our theory of gravity, and the cosmology built on it, that is in crisis – according to a report on PhysOrg today: “Study plunges standard Theory of Cosmology into Crisis.”...

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1 posted on 05/06/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/06/2009 10:29:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I said Obama had no gravitas. Now they elected him and the entire universe is flying apart.
3 posted on 05/06/2009 10:31:15 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m not sure how much weight to give this.


4 posted on 05/06/2009 10:32:04 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Good one!


5 posted on 05/06/2009 10:34:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: andy58-in-nh

Heavy subject, man...


6 posted on 05/06/2009 10:38:34 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: GodGunsGuts; SunkenCiv; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
I have no doubt that gravity is a spacetime phenomenon. My question is, however, what is it about mass that generates this phenomenon? ... Could it be that mass is an accumulation of temporal quanta? Isn't a particle merely a little bit of space and a smidgen of time wrapped up with energy? If the warping of spacetime is what gravity is, why have we left the temporal accumulation out of the reasoning?
7 posted on 05/06/2009 10:39:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, I have been feeling a bit light-headed.


8 posted on 05/06/2009 10:39:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: andy58-in-nh

How much does a breeze weigh?


9 posted on 05/06/2009 10:40:02 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: ZULU

Depends on what substance the breeze consist of and how much gravity is present


10 posted on 05/06/2009 10:42:09 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I’m not sure how much weight to give this.

The physg.org article:

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The creation crap article:

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11 posted on 05/06/2009 10:42:47 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: andy58-in-nh

When I read this my lower jaw was attracted to the floor.


12 posted on 05/06/2009 10:43:32 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ummmm. I may check this out the next time I fly my Cessna Skyhawk. I'll let you all know if I keep flying when I pull the power back to idle.
13 posted on 05/06/2009 10:43:53 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: SERKIT
>Heavy subject, man...


"Worries about sagging breasts are very common in women as they age. All women want to retain the pert, firm look they had as teenagers and they despair of the natural drooping and sagging of breasts that tend to occur, due to the effects of gravity over time. ..."

What Can You Do About Sagging Breasts?
14 posted on 05/06/2009 10:44:17 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: ZULU
How much does a breeze weigh?

That depends on how hard it blows.

15 posted on 05/06/2009 10:44:27 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Any changes to theory will still have physics and astronomy being incompatible with the notion that the universe was created 6,000 years ago (or 10,000 or anything less than billions of years).


16 posted on 05/06/2009 10:45:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: theFIRMbss

That hit me like a ton of bricks.


17 posted on 05/06/2009 10:45:39 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Impeach now!)
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To: MHGinTN
Ow...that made my brain hurt

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18 posted on 05/06/2009 10:47:36 AM PDT by txroadkill (Tax Day Tea Parties 4/15/09 - - The day we won one for the Gipper.)
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To: SERKIT

Quantum mechanics is definitely not for lightweights. Some of the theoretical implications are so paradoxical that trying to wrap your mind around them is like trying to nail water to a wall - with a hammer made of light and a faucet that wasn’t turned on until tomorrow.


19 posted on 05/06/2009 10:51:39 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
You don't have to believe in gravity to be affected by it!

He ain't heavy, he's my g = 9.8 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2.

20 posted on 05/06/2009 10:52:55 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: PapaBear3625

Maybe you can explain what it is about physics that necessitates an old earth?


21 posted on 05/06/2009 10:53:48 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MHGinTN
I rarely say it, but I have what appears (to me at least) to be a coherent theory of gravity. SImply put, mass is it's own dimensional phenomenon and remains at all TIMES constant. Spacetime warp is simply a function of mass and absolute velocity (implying, of course that a set of absolute zero conditions, including velocity, exists). As a mass moves through this time wrp, it's apparent 4th dimensional energy state is altered in such a way as to keep its 5th dimensional "q" constant.

The theory has a lot of fascinating corollaries, and even suggests a method for building anti-gravity engines. Interested parties, see my tagline.

22 posted on 05/06/2009 10:54:19 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Radioactive decay and the resulting extra heat produced by accelerated decay.


23 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:27 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: La Lydia
Have you met my brother? Yeah, he's heavy.

He'd be heavy on the Moon.

24 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:36 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weight-lifting sessions each week and...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Naturalism, a Religion in Crisis!


25 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: PapaBear3625

No no no! You see, the whole point behind the regular posting of this gibberish by GGG is to try and convince people that if any possible flaw in any theory that does not support creation has been found, any reworking of said theory is pointless and useless as the flaw implies that creationism is the only alternative and creationism MUST be the correct answer.


26 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:54 AM PDT by Pox
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To: MHGinTN

[[If the warping of spacetime is what gravity is, why have we left the temporal accumulation out of the reasoning?]]

Because evolution hasn’t equipted us to deal rationally with such warped discussions


27 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:55 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: La Lydia

I’m sorry to admit I actually got that reference. Maybe it’s because I’m getting older and parts of my body are falling.


28 posted on 05/06/2009 10:57:11 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: CottShop
"Because evolution hasn’t equipted us to deal rationally with such warped discussions"

But-but, that's twisted reasoning.

Sorry, had to.
Metaphors run amok do this to me. :o)

29 posted on 05/06/2009 10:58:28 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

It’s funny what sticks in my mind.


30 posted on 05/06/2009 10:58:39 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: andy58-in-nh

[[Quantum mechanics is definitely not for lightweights. Some of the theoretical implications are so paradoxical that trying to wrap your mind around them is like trying to nail water to a wall - with a hammer made of light and a faucet that wasn’t turned on until tomorrow.]]

Yep but hte great thing is that if you mistekenly come up with a wrong answer, you can just sleep Backwards that evening, and wake up the day before, and start all over again


31 posted on 05/06/2009 10:58:53 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The mass of my upper and lower eyelids increased significantly while I was reading this article, causing them to irresistably attract each other.


32 posted on 05/06/2009 10:59:05 AM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: mosaicwolf
"I'll let you all know if I keep flying when I pull the power back to idle."

And I'll hold my breath until we receive your report...

33 posted on 05/06/2009 10:59:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Some hope remaining.

LOL


34 posted on 05/06/2009 11:00:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: Some hope remaining.

[[The mass of my upper and lower eyelids increased significantly while I was reading this article, causing them to irresistably attract each other.]]

His one eye was in love with his other- they kept starign at each other


35 posted on 05/06/2009 11:01:30 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: PapaBear3625
"Any changes to theory will still have physics and astronomy being incompatible with the notion that the universe was created 6,000 years ago"

Relax! There's no incompatibility; it fits like glove when you leave out the fairy tales of naturalistic religion.

36 posted on 05/06/2009 11:01:40 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 05/06/2009 11:01:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Maybe you can explain what it is about physics that necessitates an old earth?

Oh, little things like geology, fossils arranged in neat layers where you never find modern mammals or humans mixed with dinosaurs, stuff like that.

As far as astronomy is concerned, the idea that things are billions of light years away implying that the universe is older than 6,000 years is a start.

38 posted on 05/06/2009 11:02:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: MHGinTN
temporal quanta

How do we know that "temporal quanta" exist?

39 posted on 05/06/2009 11:03:58 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: CottShop

I disagree, but that’s grist for another mill.


40 posted on 05/06/2009 11:04:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Pox
No no no! You see, the whole point behind the regular posting of this gibberish by GGG is to try and convince people that if any possible flaw in any theory that does not support creation has been found, any reworking of said theory is pointless and useless as the flaw implies that creationism is the only alternative and creationism MUST be the correct answer.

That's a novel theory. I'd always thought the point was to try to convince the world that conservatives are creationist loonies, being done on a grant by the Democrat Party.

41 posted on 05/06/2009 11:05:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625

Now you’ve gone and done it, bringing in facts and stuff... how dare you?


42 posted on 05/06/2009 11:05:28 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I don’t ‘know’—as in scientifically proven; I rely upon inference ... what is it about mass (that’s an accumulation of particles) that warps spacetime? Something in the particles is responsible as they accumulate. Add to that question that ‘speed’ of an object influences the temporal passage for the object in motion—or an object caught in a gravitational field such a black hole.


43 posted on 05/06/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Could it be that mass is an accumulation of temporal quanta? Isn't a particle merely a little bit of space and a smidgen of time wrapped up with energy? If the warping of spacetime is what gravity is, why have we left the temporal accumulation out of the reasoning?

Wonderful questions, MHGinTN! Somebody ought to be chasing them down.

[BTW, how's your book coming along???]

44 posted on 05/06/2009 11:10:45 AM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: PapaBear3625
I'd always thought the point was to try to convince the world that conservatives are creationist loonies, being done on a grant by the Democrat Party.

Actually, THAT makes a lot of sense.

45 posted on 05/06/2009 11:12:15 AM PDT by Wissa (I despise the liberal media.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The money quote:

“it is conceivable that we have completely failed to comprehend the actual physics underlying the force of gravity”....”.

Give the man a prize for understatement! We may not be able to fully comprehend how gravity works. So far the descriptions have fallen short and describing a thing is not the same as understanding it, a start, yes, but not the same.

If the nature of gravity is not completely understood it's not surprising theories based upon our very imperfect and limited understanding prove to be faulty.

46 posted on 05/06/2009 11:13:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ZULU
"How much does a breeze weigh?"

Today in Fort Worth, it's weighing in at around 29.9 and rising.

47 posted on 05/06/2009 11:19:24 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: betty boop

Thanks for asking ... I’m about to finish it and move on.


48 posted on 05/06/2009 11:19:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

OK, bottom line - does this mean that the next time I step on the scales I will weigh less?


49 posted on 05/06/2009 11:20:39 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Proud Veteran - Sworn to Defend The Constitution! - Caution: That makes me a Right-Wing Extremist.)
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To: PapaBear3625; Monty Python; Pox; editor-surveyor

==Any changes to theory will still have physics and astronomy being incompatible with the notion that the universe was created 6,000 years ago (or 10,000 or anything less than billions of years).

Not at all. Creation cosmologists have already demonstrated that it is possible for the Earth to be thousands of years old, and the outer reaches of the Universe to be billions of years old, and both be the result of the SAME creation event. See the following for more:

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf


50 posted on 05/06/2009 11:20:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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