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SHACKLING NY: WHY STATE IS IN DECLINE
New York Post ^ | 5/5/2009 | Steven Malanga

Posted on 05/06/2009 10:00:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

'FREEDOM in the 50 States" is the most comprehensive ef fort to date to rank states by how their public policies influence "individual freedom in the economic, social and personal spheres."

New York state is dead last in the freedom index "by a wide margin," the new study by George Mason University's Mercatus Center reports.

The study includes dozens of variables, from social and personal freedoms (such as parents' rights to educate their children) to regulatory freedom (such as the degree of occupational- licensing requirements) to fiscal liberty (as measured, for instance, by states' debt burdens, which represent a constraint on future generations).

That New York's economic freedom is poor won't astonish businesses operating here, which must deal with an octopus-like regulatory regime, a civil-justice system that favors plaintiffs over defendants, high taxes and crushing per-capita government debt. But New Yorkers, who like to consider themselves enlightened and socially permissive, might be surprised at where their state ranks on the study's personal-freedom index -- third from the bottom.

Why? Because in New York, personal freedoms are often narrowly defined as liberties that Albany politicians deem suitable. Otherwise, state policy is extremely restrictive. While New York has liberal gambling laws, it regulates home schooling extensively, seizes property often through eminent-domain laws and imposes health-insurance mandates that limit choices.

What are the consequences of this lack of freedom? The best way to judge is to look at the collective condition of the states with the worst rankings. (New Jersey is in 49th place, following California and Rhode Island.)

Together, New York, New Jersey and California face some $65 billion in budget deficits in 2009, amounting to more than two-thirds of the budget gaps faced by all 50 states. These states' stratospheric spending and taxes have stifled economic growth

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: decline; newyork; ny

1 posted on 05/06/2009 10:00:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Here's the full list. You'll notice it is heavily libertarian (gay marriage is a freedom, according to the study), but I don't disagree with its outcome. New York is a wretched hellhole.
2 posted on 05/06/2009 10:04:36 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also note these from the article :


Together, New York, New Jersey and California face some $65 billion in budget deficits in 2009, amounting to more than two-thirds of the budget gaps faced by all 50 states. These states’ stratospheric spending and taxes have stifled economic growth and left them scarily unprepared for the economic downturn.

Job growth has lagged, too. New Jersey in the last decade saw virtually no private-sector job gains, even counting the boom years before this steep recession. California’s unemployment rate is the country’s fourth highest, and Rhode Island’s is sixth. The bottom-rankers also have reputations as the places that citizens most want to flee for other states.

What a contrast with the study’s freest states: New Hampshire, Colorado, South Dakota, Idaho and Texas. They all have unemployment rates at or below the national average. (New Hampshire’s is 6.2 percent, or two full points below the nation’s, according to recent Labor Department statistics.) Every one is also a net winner in terms of domestic migration, with far more citizens entering than leaving.


3 posted on 05/06/2009 10:05:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sad to see what is happening to the state where I was born and grew up. Unfortunately, the NY Republicans are no better. They’re Rockefeller Republicans to this day. The state needs a real conservative.


4 posted on 05/06/2009 10:09:34 AM PDT by TBP
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To: SeekAndFind

But, but, but, we had the 2 best Senators, Schumer and Clinton, how could this be possible? s/


5 posted on 05/06/2009 10:11:22 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (tagline under renovation, will return soon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“New York, New Jersey and California face some $65 billion in budget deficits in 2009, amounting to more than two-thirds of the budget gaps faced by all 50 states.”

The Democrats in these pathetic failed states think they are “progressive” when they are worse than broke. The bill collectors are at the door and they are still paying off voting blocs, leveraging shrinking tax revenues in a way that would make Wall St. blush. If the USA were a business, we would simply liquidate them and close their doors.


6 posted on 05/06/2009 10:11:48 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s scary is NY Gov Paterson’s 2009 budget. Spending increased, taxes increased, and it has been shored up with about $2bil in federal stimulus funds. What happens when you have to reconcile your new higher budget without the extra income?

I feel bad for the people left behind after the people who can move, will (except those who vote these morons into office).


7 posted on 05/06/2009 10:12:59 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: TBP
Unfortunately, the NY Republicans are no better. They’re Rockefeller Republicans to this day. The state needs a real conservative.

Unfortunately, the best the GOP can get who has a reasonable chance of becoming governor is Rudy Giuliani.

And he isn't even guaranteed to win if Andrew Cuomo enters the race. This state is doomed.

Florida and North Carolina beware because a lot of boomers in this state are coming your way and bringing their votes with them.
8 posted on 05/06/2009 10:13:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Bringbackthedraft
But, but, but, we had the 2 best Senators, Schumer and Clinton

Well, SHrillary is gone, but is the replacement any better ?
9 posted on 05/06/2009 10:14:24 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: TBP

The Vampire State


10 posted on 05/06/2009 10:14:30 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rudy would be better than most people available in New York, which is a sad commentary. He was a GREAT Mayor. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’d be a great governor, senator, or president.


11 posted on 05/06/2009 10:14:39 AM PDT by TBP
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, SHrillary is gone, but is the replacement any better ?

Yes, yes and yes. She's at least NRA approved and pro gun (or has been when she represented NY's 20th). But who knows which way she'll vote now that she represents the whole state.

12 posted on 05/06/2009 10:17:32 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: Dan Nunn
Nunn dare say it.

NYS is a wretched hellhole because its Third World-derived population now outnumbers the useful, productive citizenry. I.E., Those who produce the income that provides the goods and services the Third Worlders need to survive.

BFD, welcome to the New World.

13 posted on 05/06/2009 10:19:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

NY State, along with MI and CA and a handful of other blue states, are in decline because the majorities of their voters choose it. Why else would they elect socialists into office?


14 posted on 05/06/2009 10:28:29 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

NY and Caleyfornia, Conn,Mass,NJ are near communist states this is why they fail.


15 posted on 05/06/2009 10:30:32 AM PDT by NoObamaFightForConservatives
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To: TBP

I think this article hits the nail on the head...

What ails New York can’t be boiled down to any one of its curbs on freedom — whether it’s a high in- come-tax rate, restrictions on development or a bureaucratic licensing regime.

It suffers from the vise grip such Albany politicians as Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver have put on life in general. Reform won’t be as simple as cutting a tax or eliminating a regulation. New York needs fundamental change to make the state democratic again, and it needs reform candidates willing to push for that change.

Such candidates would fight to take away legislative redistricting power from state lawmakers — who protect themselves when they draw voting districts to the point that 98 percent get re-elected — and give it to a nonpartisan commission charged with redrawing districts to make them competitive again, as states like Iowa and Arizona have done.


16 posted on 05/06/2009 10:42:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: TBP
The state needs a real conservative.

What I need to do is LEAVE. Conservatives have left in droves over the past few years....I would like to do the same. it is gonna be tough to find many real conservatives here.

17 posted on 05/06/2009 10:44:39 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
NY and Caleyfornia, Conn,Mass,NJ are near communist states this is why they fail.

The fiscal policies of the above states make the ChiComs and the Russians look like Barry Goldwater Conservatives.

18 posted on 05/06/2009 10:45:49 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: SeekAndFind

We need Guiliani to run for Governor! Let him do for NY state what he did for NY City.


19 posted on 05/06/2009 10:46:35 AM PDT by classical artist
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To: Vaquero

You’ll run out of conservatives before you run out of fingers to count them on.


20 posted on 05/06/2009 10:47:27 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: SeekAndFind

ping


21 posted on 05/06/2009 10:50:01 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: SeekAndFind

One idea that MIGHT help NY State........separate NYC,Long Island, Rockland County and Orange County from the rest of the state......


22 posted on 05/06/2009 10:55:42 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: classical artist

I agree about Giuliani for Governor...or Senator..

....but he is in no uncertain terms, NOT a conservative.

He is the best NY can expect...but he is no conservative....and I would never vote for him in a presidential primary.....

....but for NY????...he can only make things better.


23 posted on 05/06/2009 10:57:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SeekAndFind
New Yorkers get both my sympathy and scorn. On the one hand I know business is "up against it" in NY state. I've know New Yorkers who have left the state for this reason. To a very large extent the state is becoming deindustrialized. Yes some companies are staying but not many new companies are moving there and those who are there will not expand there.

About the only thing left is the money changers in NYC.

But New Yorkers have brought this type of thing upon themselves. THEY have elected the types of politicians who were insatiable in their desire to regulate and tax. So who's to blame. The Zeitgeist of the state of New York.
24 posted on 05/06/2009 10:59:41 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
you would still have Albany, Buffalo, Binghamton, Syracuse, Ithaca and a few other large population liberal bastions. the people who live in the majority of the land mass are conservative, but there just so many leftists in the large population centers......
25 posted on 05/06/2009 11:02:00 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kenny Bunk; All
Nunn dare say it. NYS is a wretched hellhole because its Third World-derived population now outnumbers the useful, productive citizenry. I.E., Those who produce the income that provides the goods and services the Third Worlders need to survive. BFD, welcome to the New World.

Yes kudos for having the "stones" to speak the truth. You have the courage to speak what many only think. It's a start. Keep it up and don't be afraid. We have the same problem in CA. The idiots in Sacramento are no better than the idiots in Albany. They may even be dummer. They are "killing the goose" and they are too stupid to know it.
26 posted on 05/06/2009 11:03:57 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: SeekAndFind
What is really sad is that when the conditions in the aforementioned “least free” states becomes unbearable for business and citizens, they move to other states ... and then influence those states in exactly the same direction as the one they just left. (See: Colorado, et al.)
27 posted on 05/06/2009 11:10:31 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The majority of NY residents receive some form of city, state or federal largesse . . . and they are very protective about them goodies. They have chosen “safety” over liberty. Remember what Franklin said about those who made such a choise.


28 posted on 05/06/2009 11:13:42 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: SeekAndFind

I had a great uncle who lived in NY State. He was a Catholic priest. I used to kid him that he was the only person I knew who could afford to live in NY State, as he had taken a vow of poverty...


29 posted on 05/06/2009 11:15:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dan Nunn

>>>Here’s the full list.

The funniest (saddest?) part is on page 23 which shows the inverse correlation that the increasing number of Democrats have on a states freedom scores. The more Democrats, the lower your states freedom.

Ha Ha Ha! I knew it, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen it graphed.

The details are most interesting.


30 posted on 05/06/2009 11:33:25 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: TBP

Rudy is a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal. Which is exactly what the State of NY needs! Someone who can be voted into office on the social issues but fix the budgetary problems!

I am not a huge Rudy fan, because he is RINO flavored, but for the State of NY - he is their ONLY hope!!


31 posted on 05/06/2009 11:55:15 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: SeekAndFind

Permission to engage in hedonistic, and often unconventional expression, is used as a substitute for tangible liberty in liberal run cities and states. It is a poor substitute.


32 posted on 05/06/2009 12:05:34 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing new here. I’m a lifelong NYer & I can’t wait to move my family out of here. The cost of living is obscene, the government is extremely overbearing (especially for small businesses) & the populous is becoming more and more liberal by the day. My family & my business will be in Texas in the next 2 to 3 years.


33 posted on 05/06/2009 12:14:33 PM PDT by ccc_jr (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

[RE: separate NYC,Long Island, Rockland County and Orange County from the rest of the state......]

The only part of NYC that isn’t liberal is Staten Island. The other borroaghs are as liberal as they come.

As for Long Island, yeah it used to be conservative, but with the recent election results, I’m not sure anymore.


34 posted on 05/06/2009 12:48:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


35 posted on 05/06/2009 1:39:10 PM PDT by The Mayor ( In Gods works we see His hand; in His Word we hear His heart)
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To: SeekAndFind

btt


36 posted on 05/06/2009 1:52:05 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: SeekAndFind
Why is NY an economic basket case:

taxes

government spending and handouts

regulation

litigation

unions

liberals

democrats

37 posted on 05/06/2009 1:54:19 PM PDT by wny
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To: TBP

Once you leave New York city and gowest and north, you will see how bad things are. The southern tier of New York is dying.


38 posted on 05/06/2009 3:05:11 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: SeekAndFind
a civil-justice system that favors plaintiffs over defendants

I used to practice law in New York. I now practice in California. New York's civil justice system is actually not bad for defendants, at least in commercial cases (I can't really speak to personal injury lawsuits, because that's never been my field). California's civil justice syatem, in contrast, is horrendous for defendants.

39 posted on 05/06/2009 3:14:05 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: wny

You forgot th emedia, liberals, non-profits, unassimilated immigrants...


40 posted on 05/06/2009 3:29:35 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: kittymyrib
as long as my retired at age 56 yro old sibling gets his nice pension, none of this matters.....its about the govt workers you know...its all about them......the rest of the citizens....just tough.....

this is the name of the game........provide and protect the govt workers, get their money in Pacs....and screw the rest of the citizens....

41 posted on 05/06/2009 6:19:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: SeekAndFind
But New Yorkers, who like to consider themselves enlightened and socially permissive, might be surprised at where their state ranks on the study's personal-freedom index -- third from the bottom.

The main difference between a New York Lefty and the average Nazi is that the Nazis weren't as pig ignorant as New Yorkers.

42 posted on 05/06/2009 6:20:04 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
NYS is NOT a wretched hell hole......far from it...

don't equate the stupidity and crookedness of its political establishment with the good, fine people who otherwise have no voice in state politics....its the city, the city, the city.....they run the show....

NYS has wonderful forests, orchards, lakes, rivers, farmlands,wineries,first rate colleges both public and private, a rich heritage of Poles,Irish,Germans,Russians, etc...

I just feel bad for the state...it was my place of birth also, and I still go back there.....

it has been ruined like lots of states....the state workers obscene pensions and benefits.....

43 posted on 05/06/2009 6:24:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Vaquero

remember the difference between fiscal conservative and social conservative.....Rudy would run a clean state IMO with budget restraint.....


44 posted on 05/06/2009 6:26:10 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
remember the difference between fiscal conservative and social conservative.....Rudy would run a clean state IMO with budget restraint.....

and he would be tough on crime....which is a social conservative thing. He has a little of both...

I reject his anti gun policies.....his pro-gay thing, not the best with illegals and his poor pro-life policies...

but he would be a breath of fresh air from the Spitzers, Cuomos, Patersons and Shelly Silvers of NY.

45 posted on 05/06/2009 6:33:41 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Well, maybe once you leave Westchester. Westchester County seems to be OK. The other counties, however, is in trouble.


46 posted on 05/14/2009 3:44:14 PM PDT by TBP
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