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Obama may need veto threat to keep Gates tanker plan
Reuters ^ | May 4, 2009 | Jim Wolf

Posted on 05/04/2009 2:43:55 PM PDT by jazusamo

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama may have to use a veto threat to preserve Pentagon plans for a winner-take-all competition to start a new multibillion-dollar U.S. aerial-refueling fleet, the head of the House of Representatives' Armed Services Committee said on Monday.

"That is probably where we'll start and end," Rep. Ike Skelton, a Missouri Democrat, said in reply to a question about moves in Congress that would guarantee Air Force purchases from both rival tanker suppliers -- Boeing Co and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp and Europe's EADS.

Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat who chairs the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee, and other powerful lawmakers have endorsed a dual-source strategy as a means of jump-starting the long-delayed acquisition of an initial 179 new tankers valued at $35 billion.

Rep. Neil Abercrombie, a Hawaii Democrat who heads another subcommittee that oversees Air Force programs, says this may be the only practical way to break a political logjam.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has strongly opposed dividing the tanker acquisition, saying it would double combined development costs, to $14 billion.

Skelton, speaking at a defense-industry conference organized by Jane's, a publisher of military-related material, declined to discuss his personal stance on dividing the tanker buy. The issue is due to figure in debate on Obama's budget request for the 2010 fiscal year starting October 1. The detailed budget is due to be sent to Congress on Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; aerospace; bhodod; boeing; gates; murtha; northropgrumman; skelton; tankers; usaf
Looks like Fat Jack Murtha is behind this, he isn't taking a "no" on this from Gates or Obama.
1 posted on 05/04/2009 2:43:55 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
Unless Boeing wins, we'll just keep having 'competitions' until they do. Northrup Grumman won the last one fair and square.

Remember, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago now.

Can't have those tankers built in a blue state like Alabama, huh?

2 posted on 05/04/2009 2:49:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Nortrup Grumman cheated like crazy.

Also, the Air Force did not factor in the cost of rebuilding hangers that are the wrong size.

The Air Force also did not factor in rebuilding runways that are the wrong size.

Also, MOST of the AIRBUS deal (very little done by Northrup) -— most of the Airbus deal would hire foreign workers.

Most of the Boeing deal would hire AMERICAN workers.

The tax revenue from the American workers should be considered as a REDUCTION in the cost of using Boeing.

3 posted on 05/04/2009 2:54:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: blam

You may be right. Murtha was in the tank for Boeing from the beginning then he came up with this split thing a few months ago to try to appease his cronies in the House after NG got the last bid.


4 posted on 05/04/2009 2:54:46 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kansas58

Good post and the IG agrees with you.

Boeing “never” protests, except for this one time, and for good reason, from the info you listed, to the fact the tanker could not re-fuel all the jets the Air Force stated in the RFP, to violating rules by distributing a “fact sheet” to attendees at the AFA conference when the source selection was underway and no such activities/contacts were allowed by law.


5 posted on 05/04/2009 2:59:51 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka
My Representative, Todd Tiahrt, has done GREAT work on this issue, teaching both Democrats and Republicans in Congress how this process works, or is supposed to work.
6 posted on 05/04/2009 3:04:06 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Hope others are listening and learning.


7 posted on 05/04/2009 3:07:50 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: jazusamo

Its the “Soul Plane!”

http://www.soulplane.com/


8 posted on 05/04/2009 3:11:42 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Hulka

Yup, its definitely the “ Soul Plane” Refule fleet.

http://www.soulplane.com/intro.html


9 posted on 05/04/2009 3:13:34 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: blam

Yes, congress has to pimp out this refule plane, :the “soul plane.”

You can too:

http://www.soulplane.com/main.php


10 posted on 05/04/2009 3:16:37 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: jazusamo
The thought of stocking repair parts for two different aircraft, training mechanics for two different aircraft, and keeping pilots current in two different aircraft, is frightening.
11 posted on 05/04/2009 3:36:28 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney
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To: JoeFromSidney

Exactly...It would be a real can of worms plus the extra billions in cost now and the ongoing cost.


12 posted on 05/04/2009 3:40:22 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kansas58

Great analysis! Airbus NEVER should have been considered as we were giving the Tanker contract to a foreign source.

One thing Boeing can build is wide bodied aircraft with their ton of experience not to mention they have experience with tankers.

NG cheating? No shock there!


13 posted on 05/04/2009 4:25:06 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010!)
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To: jazusamo

Everything fatso does seems contrary to honesty and the best interests of the USA.


14 posted on 05/04/2009 4:33:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: blam
Unless Boeing wins, we'll just keep having 'competitions' until they do. Northrup Grumman won the last one fair and square. Remember, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago now. Can't have those tankers built in a blue state like Alabama, huh?

Exactly right, it's all political rather than buying the best plane for our fleet, though the Boeing drones on this board will say differently. The Northrop plane will be built in Alabama, not in France.......

15 posted on 05/04/2009 7:03:36 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

“The Northrop plane will be ASSEMBLED in Alabama, not in France.......”

Fixed.


16 posted on 05/05/2009 2:50:32 PM PDT by Hulka
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