Don't know who owns the World Tribune
Posted on 05/02/2009 1:01:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Maybe now that President Obama’s in charge of the war in Iraq, and there’s no need to lie, distort, or half quote truths to oppose the war (can’t oppose it if it’s run by a Democrat)…maybe now people will realize:
1) the matter was never closed by any investigation
2) there’s hundreds of times more information demonstrating ties than there is dismissing them
BAGHDAD — The government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said Al Qaida worked closely with former operatives in Saddam Hussein regime.
Officials said leading members of the Al Qaida network have coordinated operations with Saddam aides since 2003. They said Al Qaida and Saddam forces attacked Shi’ites in an effort to spark a civil war in Iraq.
“They agreed that Al Qaida would carry out the suicide attacks, while the Baathists [Saddam's ruling party] would do the remote-control bombs,” Al Maliki said.
The Al Qaida-Saddam link, asserted by then-U.S. President George Bush in 2002, came in wake of the reported capture of a leading Al Qaida commander in Iraq.
At the very least, it’s 100% clear (hindsight is 20-20) that yes, Saddam’s regime and the Al Queda network did have operational ties in 2003, and that means the invasion of Iraq
HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE WAR ON TERROR.
ht regimeofterror
Mark Eichenlaub
Of course we knew it all along. But the MSM controls the narrative...
Your right. The MSM will never report this.
Iraq prime minister ties Saddam regime to captured Al Qaida commander ( Thursday, April 30, 2009 )
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BAGHDAD — The government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki said Al Qaida worked closely with former operatives in Saddam Hussein regime.
Officials said leading members of the Al Qaida network have coordinated operations with Saddam aides since 2003. They said Al Qaida and Saddam forces attacked Shi'ites in an effort to spark a civil war in Iraq.
"They agreed that Al Qaida would carry out the suicide attacks, while the Baathists [Saddam's ruling party] would do the remote-control bombs," Al Maliki said.
The Al Qaida-Saddam link, asserted by then-U.S. President George Bush in 2002, came in wake of the reported capture of a leading Al Qaida commander in Iraq.
The government has determined that an Iraqi Sunni arrested in April 2009 was Abu Omar Al Baghdadi, identified as the head of the the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella group that contained Al Qaida.
"This terrorist had deep ties with the former regime and created with its followers a devil's pact reflected in bloody scenes of carnage involving innocent children and women and the elderly," Al Maliki said.
Can’t be. Life under Saddam was hunky dory, Sean Penn said so..
We shouldn't let this stuff just pass by this time like we did after WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. This time there are network executives, newspaper publishers, managers, editors, reporters, writers and pressmen who must be rounded up and made to pay the full price for treason.
Don't know who owns the World Tribune
fyi
Confirming what we already knew.
And the Lefties and their MSM continues to deny!
Thank you very much my FRiend, I just did my little duty. I am glad that we were right and we are finally vindicated, our troops are vindicated, and President Bush is vindicated.
PING!
Al Qaida worked closely with former operatives in Saddam Hussein regime says Iraqi PM.
As I interpret it the Iraqi PM talks about post-invasion co-operation, but apparently these entities very soon after the fall of Baghdad founded strong links. Impressive to do that without any former contacts (/sarc).
In addition, there was ample evidence that WMDs did exist and were moved shortly before the war. But these stories had “no legs” in the MSM.
Lots of people knew this seven years ago......the MSM is simply NOT going to report it.
Don’t you just hate the mainstream media? Arogant, stuffy, condescending, conceited, brats.
Yes.
ping
Post the photo of Baghdad Bob.
Again? ;’) It’ll get wide coverage now that Zero is president and needs to build a meme to expand the WoT (whatever it’s being called now) into some new areas, such as Pakistan, Gaza, Lebanon...
Thanks Ernest.
“Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called Abu Omar al-Baghdadi “the head of evil” and accused him of trying to incite a sectarian civil war and working with other insurgents who remained loyal to Saddam Hussein.
“This criminal had close relations with the former regime and maintained a sinister alliance with Saddam's followers,” he said in a statement released by his office.”
“In addition, there was ample evidence that WMDs did exist and were moved shortly before the war. But these stories had “no legs” in the MSM.”
Why then didn’t the Bush administration go all out, to make this information known?
People at the level of Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice could have the microphone when they wanted it.
I suppose the ineptitude of the Bush administration will make a good book.
Ahhh..what say you, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Pravda, et al?
HF
there was ample evidence that WMDs did exist and were moved shortly before the war. But these stories had “no legs” in the MSM
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That was my understanding as well.
So how does the former POTUS publicly state that there were NO WMDs and that their intelligence was wrong???
About time the Iraqi government started to support the facts.
Even if there were no ties to Al Qaeda there was very sound strategic reason to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam.
I had never bought in on the obvious stupidity that a man who so tightly controlled his country was not aware of Al Qaeda training camps within his borders. Nor, did I think he was too stupid to see the use he could get out of terrorist groups which could strike his enemies yet leave him innocent appearing.
The left wing nuts need to lie to themselves as much as they do to us to buy into the crap they believe.
Those who were going to believe it were going to believe it no matter what — and they still are. Those who accepted the truth right along didn’t need the expose’. And look what happened to the WMD debate — it got turned into the straw man referendum on the liberation of Iraq. Know when to hold ‘em, and when to fold ‘em. GWB turned the 2006 election defeats into a referendum on the war much moreso than had the Demwits — basically the “lame duck” president called their bluff and pushed The Surge. Support the troops, do ya? Write the checks, and do it now. The Demwits lost.
Whether it had any real impact on the outcome or was just a well-timed PR stunt to which is attributed the fruition of the steady progress that had been made will be debated for years I suspect (it has been debated around here, I’ve been in a few of those) — but the fact is, the Demwits in Congress continued to look like a-holes until Zero got elected and sworn in. They’ve been at the trough ever since, and his main goal is to marginalize anyone who doesn’t owe their job / status to him. He may pull it off (with lots of sideline coaching and help) but he’s already been handed a legacy of failure and stupidity, by the Congress, and in addition to the failures and stupidities that will be uniquely his.
He’ll be reelected in 2012, and it won’t even be close. Doesn’t matter who runs against him.
love your tagline and argument
Perhaps he meant that the intelligence was wrong to indicate that the WMDs would be there to find. But that's splitting hairs
As a communicator, he was a public relations nightmare.
Bump for later reference
GREAT POST
These what we have:
Iraqi Documents that I translated and posted on FR which clearly showed that Saddam intelligence service did train foreign terrorists but they did not call them Al Qaeda. One document was about a directive from Saddam on April 4 2003, shortly before the fall of his regime, where he ordered the foreign terrorists (they call them foreign Moujahdeen) to be treated with the same level as Iraqi Special Operations. These are the foreign terrorists who later joined terrorist Zarqawi and Al Qaeda or may have been under Zraqawi and Al Qaeda to begin with.
I translated and posted on FR an Al Qaeda document written by one of Al Qaeda terrorist leaders called "Saif Al Adel" about Zarqawi and his terrorist coming to Iraq in 2002 before the war to fight our US troops. Despite that the document did not say that there were any cooperation between Saddam regime and Al Qaeda the document stated that Zarqawi and his terrorists establish their cells in the Sunni areas in central Iraq. These areas were under the full control of Saddam regime and it would have been impossible that they were not aware of Zarqawi and his terrorists presence there. They just turned a blind eye and let them establish their terrorist cells.
Let me know if yo need some of the documents that I mentioned above and I will give you the FR links to read it.
Not if the economy isn't significantly improved, and there's every indication that his hard leftist command and control policies will tend to hamper recovery rather than help it.
Thanks for the ping!
I was about to post this at my site.
I think I know the answer....
1980s : (ABU ABDULLAH ASHAFEI JOINS THE IRAQI ARMY - HE WOULD LATER GET INVOLVED WITH ANSAR AL ISLAM AND REPORTEDLY BE KILLED IN IRAQ IN THE GWOT) The original leader of Ansar al-Islam, Mullah Krekar, is in jail in Holland and the PUK said the group is now led by Abu Abdullah Ashafi, a low-born Kurd who joined the Iraqi army in the 1980s before turning to Islam and spending four years in Afghanistan. ———— “Saddam’s agents launch bloodbath against West’s allies ,” By Wendell Steavenson in Halabja , London Telegraph , (Filed: 23/12/2002)
1992 : (IRAQ : ELEMENTS OF AL QAEDA INCLUDING AL ZAWAHIRI ARRIVE IN BAGHDAD) Prisoner #2 [Abu Iman al-Maliki was an Iraqi intelligence officer for 20 years. (ABCNEWS.com)] : Al Qaeda Members Met With Saddam- Abu Iman al-Maliki was convicted of spying on the Kurds as an Iraqi intelligence officer. He says he worked as such for 20 years. Al-Maliki chain-smoked Marlboros as we talked, sitting on a metal chair in a T-shirt advertising a martial arts school that strained against his bulk. He is, simply put, a huge man. “The U.S. believes Iraq has had contact with al Qaeda,” I said, “Do you know that to be a fact?”
“Yes. In ‘92, elements of al Qaeda came to Baghdad and met with Saddam Hussein and among them was Dr. Al-Zawahiri.” Ayman Al-Zawahiri, you may recall, has been identified as a top lieutenant of bin Laden’s, and is widely thought to be a mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
“There is a relationship between the governments of al Qaeda and the Iraqi government,” he continued. “It began after the events of Kuwait approximately. That is when the relationship developed and many delegations came to Baghdad. There are elements of al Qaeda training on suicide operations, assassinations, explosions, and the making of chemical substances, and they are supervised by a number of officers, experts from the Iraqi intelligence, the Explosives Division, the Assassinations Division, different specialties.”
Al-Maliki’s specialty is somewhat more disturbing. He says he was part of a group of officers ordered by Saddam to hide chemical weapons throughout the Iraqi countryside. When I asked him if the U.N. weapons inspectors might find anything if they return, he smiled and said, “No. They will find nothing.” -————— “Direct Links Detailed : Three Prisoners in N. Iraq Outline Links Between Al Qaeda and Iraq,” Reporter’s Notebook
By Don Dahler, ABCNews.com, Sept 27,2002
1995 : (IRAQ SENDS ITS MUKHABARAT AGENT ABU WAEL TO AFGHANISTAN TO AL QAEDA - ABU WAEL WOULD LATER BE PART OF ANSAR AL ISLAM) According to the PUK, one of the two dominant Kurdish political parties, Ansar al-Islam is supplied with weapons and money by the Iraqi Mukhabarat, Saddam’s intelligence service, to destabilise the region.
A Mukhabarat agent called Abu Wa-il is said to be among the [Ansar al Islam] group. This is confirmed by Abu Iman al-Baghdadi, an ex-Mukhabarat officer now in jail. If true, it means Ansar al-Islam could have a wider global aspect because al-Baghdadi says Saddam sent Abu Wa’il to Afghanistan in 1995 where he formed links with al-Qa’eda.
Al-Baghdadi said he knew this because he was in the bodyguard of Saddam’s son-in law at the time and had been in a training camp with some of the agents they sent to Afghanistan.
“Saddam sent agents to Afghanistan to al-Qa’eda,” said al Bahgdadi. “But they had their own agenda and orders from Baghdad.” The peshmerga commander of the area, Sheikh Jafar Mustapha, says Ansar al-Islam has killed 130 of his men and 20 local villagers have died in crossfire or by stepping on scattered land mines. ———— “Saddam’s agents launch bloodbath against West’s allies ,” By Wendell Steavenson in Halabja , London Telegraph , (Filed: 23/12/2002)
1990s mid : (PAKISTAN : IRAQI EMBASSY HOSTS IRAQI BIOCHEMICAL SCIENTISTS : IRAQI SCIENTISTS MEET WITH AL QAEDA OPERATIVES INCLUDING ZARQAWI AT THE NEARBY TALIBAN EMBASSY) It is widely known that Zarqawi, al Qaeda’s chief biochemical engineer, was at the safe house in Afghanistan where traces of Ricin and other poisons were originally found. What is not widely known-but was briefly alluded to in Sec. Powell’s U.N. address-is that starting in the mid-1990s, Iraq’s embassy in Islamabad routinely played host to Saddam’s biochemical scientists, some of whom interacted with al Qaeda operatives, including Zarqawi and his lab technicians, under the diplomatic cover of the Taliban embassy nearby to teach them the art of mixing poisons from home grown and readily available raw materials. CIA Director George Tenet confirmed the outcome of this arrangement last week in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee when he said that “…Iraq has provided training in poisons and gases to al Qaeda… the results of which were successful…” - “Hand in Glove (Iraq and al Qaeda) ,” by Mansoor Ijaz, National Review , Feb.18, 2003
NOVEMBER 19?, 1998 Monday : (IRAQ : POIC??) “.An Islamic group in Iraq has called for a holy war against the United States, according to a broadcast by Baghdad’s government radio. The Popular Organization of Islamic Conference issued a statement in Baghdad calling for a jihad, or holy war, “by Muslims throughout the world against the U.S. administration,” according to a Baghdad Radio broadcast on Monday. The group’s statement said “striking [the U.S. administration’s] interests has become a holy and legitimate duty recognized by divine and human laws so as to protect societies against U.S. injustice.” The Iraqi group stated that the Clinton administration “supports the Zionists, who have usurped holy Arab and Muslim places,” and said Muslims should “seriously work to confront U.S. tyranny and condemn its hostile acts against faithful Iraq.” .”—————Drudge - THE WASHINGTON TIMES 11/19/98 Bill Gertz
SEPTEMBER 1999 : (NINTH POPULAR ISLAMIC CONGRESS) Baghdad, 23 May (AKI) - The number two of the al-Qaeda network, Ayman al-Zawahiri, visited Iraq under a false name in September 1999 to take part in the ninth Popular Islamic Congress, former Iraqi premier Iyad Allawi has revealed to pan-Arab daily al-Hayat. In an interview, Allawi made public information discovered by the Iraqi secret service in the archives of the Saddam Hussein regime, which sheds light on the relationship between Saddam Hussein and the Islamic terrorist network. He also said that both al-Zawahiri and Jordanian militant al-Zarqawi probably entered Iraq in the same period.
“Al-Zawahiri was summoned by Izza Ibrahim Al-Douri – then deputy head of the council of the leadership of the revolution - to take part in the congress, along with some 150 other Islamic figures from 50 Muslim countries,” Allawi said.
According to Allawi, important information has been gathered regarding the presence of another key terrorist figure operating in Iraq - the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
“The Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi entered Iraq secretly in the same period,” Allawi affirmed, “and began to form a terrorist cell, even though the Iraqi services do not have precise information on his entry into the country,” he said. Allawi’s remarks come after statements to al-Hayat by King Abdallah II of Jordan over Saddam’s refusal to hand over al-Zarqawi to the authorities in Amman.
On this question Allawi said: ‘’The words of the Jordanian King are correct and important. We have proof of al-Zawahiri’s visit to Iraq, but we do not have the precise date or information on al-Zarqawi’s entry, though it is likely that he arrived around the same time.”
In Allawi’s view, Saddam’s government “sponsored” the birth of al-Qaeda in Iraq, coordinating with other terrorist groups, both Arab and Muslim. “The Iraqi secret services had links to these groups through a person called Faruq Hajizi, later named Iraq’s ambassador to Turkey and arrested after the fall of Saddam’s regime as he tried to re-enter Iraq. Iraqi secret agents helped terrorists enter the country and directed them to the Ansar al-Islam camps in the Halbija area,” he said.
The former prime minister claims that Saddam’s regime sought to involve even Palestinian Abu Nidal - head of a group once considered the world’s most dangerous terrorist organisation - in its terrorist circuit. Abu Nidal’s organisation was responsible for terrorist attacks in some 20 countries, killing more than 300 people and wounding hundreds more. He added that Abu Nidal’s refusal to cooperate with Islamist groups was the reason for his death in Iraq, in the summer of 2002. -—— (Ham/Aki) 23-May-05 12:08-——IRAQ: FORMER PM (ALLAWI) REVEALS SECRET SERVICE DATA ON BIRTH OF AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ it)
| May 23, 2005 | AKI
marked for later.
Surprise, surprise..
The left wing nuts need to lie to themselves as much as they do to us to buy into the crap they believe.
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This is the foundation of the problem. THEY LIE TO THEMSELVES! That is why they can print and broadcast such absolutely backwards information with no qualm of conscience.
Example: A New York Times “White House reporter” uses his opportunity at a Presidential Press Conference-Prime Time to ask a touchy-feely question when there are at least 5 major issues that the president should be grilled on.
For this reporter, asking a hard question would be counter-productive to maintaining the image of Obama as a competent head of state.
And if the economy is worse, do you think most voters who supported him before (besides the built-in black vote) will want to give up their entitlements?
He’ll be reelected.
Thanks!
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