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'Microstamping' keeps track of handguns (NY)
Albany Times Union ^ | April 30, 2009 | RICK KARLIN

Posted on 04/30/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Bill awaits Senate action to help trace pistols; opponents question cost, effectiveness

ALBANY — As the state Assembly passes a number of gun control measures, members of the newly Democratic state Senate joined gun control advocates to push for a proposal to mandate "microstamping" on semiautomatic pistols sold in the state. "This is a tough-on-crime, smart-on-crime proposal," said Sen. Eric Schneiderman, D-New York City, who is shepherding the measure through the Senate.

The plan, originally put forth by Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel, D-Great Neck, already passed in the lower house, where Democrats hold a 109-to-41 majority.

But with the Senate this year under a new 32-to-30 Democratic majority, advocates are hoping microstamping and other gun measures will pass there as well.

Microstamping is a process in which lasers put a distinctive mark on a weapon's firing pin. That mark is then etched into each cartridge casing when the gun is fired. Supporters including police and prosecutors say it could help them better match shell casings to a given weapon.

But the plan has opponents too, including representatives of gun manufacturers who question whether the stamps couldn't be tampered with by criminals.

Others say they fear it would add to the cost of weapons, although proponents say microstamping would add a few dollars at most.

Either way, some of the upstate-downstate divisions on this issue were on display at the Capitol on Wednesday.

Shortly after the news conference promoting microstamping, gun enthusiasts — including many from upstate — gathered at the Capitol to lobby lawmakers against enacting the proposal.

The Schneiderman-Schimel proposal would mandate microstamping for handguns made after Jan. 1, 2011.

California has passed a similar law that takes effect in 2010.

Rick Karlin can be reached at (518) 454-5758 or rkarlin@timesunion.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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1 posted on 04/30/2009 1:33:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?


2 posted on 04/30/2009 1:35:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Paladin2

Or to obliterate it with a dab of hard silver solder...


3 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Paladin2

About 1 or 2 dozen rounds through it has, IIRC, been proven to remove it. Just moron politicians placating idiot voters, nothing to see here, move along...


4 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:35 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Paladin2
How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?

Or to replace the firing pin. Not hard at all, but I think you know that's not the point of the legislation.

5 posted on 04/30/2009 1:38:52 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: neverdem
"This is a tough-on-crime, smart-on-crime proposal," said Sen. Eric Schneiderman, D-New York City

Translation: "when my stupid idea doesn't accomplish anything demonstrably productive, I'll get even more meaningless laws passed so that stupid Obama-voters will vote me back into office."

6 posted on 04/30/2009 1:39:00 PM PDT by kromike
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To: neverdem
For this to be effective, first we must ban these.


7 posted on 04/30/2009 1:39:07 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: neverdem

The company pushing this has the sole patent for this technology.

Expect at least $100 cost (and price) additions for each firearm with this technology, for research, development, testing and manufacturing costs.


8 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:17 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Paladin2

Not very, but there’s no need to do even that when the microstamp isn’t registered to you but to the person you stole it from. Or more likely, isn’t registered at all because it was originally stolen in another state without this requirement.

Being more creative, how hard would it be to pick up microstamped brass at a public range and drop it at the crime scene?


9 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:22 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: neverdem
Liberalism is a mental desease and gun-grabbing is a cult.


10 posted on 04/30/2009 1:41:35 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem

How about just replace the firing pin? They’re usually pretty common replacement parts for any firearm.


11 posted on 04/30/2009 1:42:14 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Or just buy a revolver.


12 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:16 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: neverdem
hmmmm, and just how will they get the spent casings from revolvers?

anyone???

13 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:20 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Expect at least $100 cost (and price) additions for each firearm with this technology, for research, development, testing and manufacturing costs.

Handgun manufacturers will simply quit selling firearms in NY. A lot of them already have. I just hope that they decide to not sell to LEOs in NY as well.
14 posted on 04/30/2009 1:43:37 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Paladin2
I'm sure there will be a strongly worded clause in the finished law that will prevent anyone from tampering with the micro-stamping.
15 posted on 04/30/2009 1:44:44 PM PDT by VRWCtaz (Please add "Palin" to our spell check.)
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To: neverdem

You could always just pick up your brass or use a revolver so the casings won’t eject until you want them to. It’s really a stupid idea if anyone just thinks about it. Then again, we’re talking about legislators.


16 posted on 04/30/2009 1:44:48 PM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: neverdem

File meet firing pin.

If I were inclined to preplanned criminal activity and I owned a weapon covered under this proposed law, you can bet I’d have the semiautomatic pistol equivalent of keeping two sets of books: multiple barrels, firing pins and extractors. One set for storage and one set for “business.”


17 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:10 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: neverdem

Schimel and Schneiderman. I’m continually amazed, though no longer surprised, that the demographic that was nearly made extinct by state murder is always the one crying the loudest to make the next round of state murder easier.


18 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:12 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: andy58-in-nh
"Or to replace the firing pin."

Even if they "microstamped" spare parts, firing pins would have to be about the very easiest piece of any weapon for a shade-tree machinist to replicate, if not mass produce. There may be a few weapons with inertial pins or some other manufacturing complications, but I doubt it's that many...

19 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Paladin2

Just use a revolver.


20 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:17 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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