Posted on 04/30/2009 10:32:47 AM PDT by steve-b
Within just a few days this month, the push for gay marriage found a wave of fresh momentum. A unanimous state Supreme Court decision legalized the practice in Iowa. The state legislature overrode a gubernatorial veto and instituted the practice in Vermont. And Democratic Gov. David A. Paterson announced plans to push legislation that would open the door to the practice in New York.
Beyond the political and legal arguments on the issue, however, are demographic shifts indicating that the controversy over same-sex unions may eventually fade altogether. Younger Americans are far more supportive of civil unions and gay marriage than older generations; in December, pollsters for Newsweek found that 51 percent of people between ages 18 and 34 support gay marriage, compared with 39 percent of all respondents.
Leaders of evangelical Christian organizations — the most vocal opponents of gay marriage as the issue polarized the electorate for much of this decade — now face a similar divide in their own ranks. In a survey last fall by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, Inc., 58 percent of white evangelicals ages 18 to 29 said they support either civil unions or gay marriage; support dropped to 46 percent among white evangelicals who were older than that. (Asked about gay marriage exclusively, the support figures were 26 percent for the younger group and 9 percent for the older group.)
"The data do show a growing divide between younger and older evangelicals. There clearly is a generational difference,” said Amy E. Black, a political scientist at Wheaton College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Illinois. She characterizes the thinking among many younger evangelicals as, "What big deal is civil unions, really? What I care about is the environment, or what I care about is human rights."...
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How anyone who calls themselves “Christian” could support the atrocity known as gay marriage, abortion, or Obama, for that matter, is beyond my comprehension.
I’d swear the MSM screens these people.
Many of these “evangelicals” are simply not Christians anyway. At best, they are infant Christians. The depth of their theological knowledge is limited to “Jesus loves you”. They’re only interested in pop music and good feelings.
It’s not surprising when you consider that many clergy and churchgoing folks, evangelical and otherwise, have treated marriage rather lightly in the past couple generations. Divorce? No big deal. Premarital sex? No big deal. Living together without benefit of clergy? No big deal. So why shouldn’t the youth, the primary victims of that marriage devaluation, now say, “civil unions? No big deal.”
They do and the Leftists have their own versions of Christianity for perverts.
Exactly.
You have definitely hit the nail on the head.
Ask them what Sodom and Gommorah was about.
I have found that the most valuable information I have received has come from those who have experienced much more than me. How arrogant are those who think that they already know everything about life. I LOVE talking to people who have experienced more than me. I wish the rest of my generation felt the same.
” In a survey last fall by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, Inc., 58 percent of white evangelicals ages 18 to 29 said they support either civil unions or gay marriage; support dropped to 46 percent among white evangelicals who were older than that. (Asked about gay marriage exclusively, the support figures were 26 percent for the younger group and 9 percent for the older group.) “
Is this like the survey of “Catholics” who never go to church that came out earlier this year (it showed protestants more strict on abortion, premarital sex, homosexuality... than “Catholics”)?
I agree with you 100%. I don’t see how any true evangelical could support gay civil union/marriage. As I understand it, the term “evangelical” refers to Christians who believe that the Bible means what it says. Thus, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament where it says a man shall not lie with a man as with a women, that’s a pretty clear statement against the practice. One cannot, therefore, proclaim to be an evangelical and support gay marriage, unless one is, as you say, an “infant Christian,” who is ignorant of scripture. It just doesn’t follow.
If they even have an answer they will spout some liberal garbage about how it was that the queers were inhospitable to the two angels, that THAT was the sin of Sodom. Yeah right. There is no context for that position.
Well, the people saying that are not "evangelicals"; evangelicals care about evangelizing. Everything else takes a back seat to preaching the Gospel -- using words when needed...
As for the % voting for Obama despite his positions on stem cell research, abortion and queer marriage -- I can't fault them for that. The brand differentiation on those areas was at the bottom of the ticket. Not much in the 2008 election at the top of the ticket for a Christian.
I simply do not buy into this. You control the end result of such a survey by controlling the definition of the group you poll. If you toss in a ton of Unitarian/Universalist types into your definition of “evangelical”, of course you are going to get a skewed result. These polls are meaningles propaganda for those who endeavor to demoralize the Christian faithful!
There is supposed to be a great “falling away” before Christ’s return. It has already happened to others, but the Evangelicals have always been like the Marines of Christianity. No one else will be left to “fall away”. Signs of the times?
Why don't they have a followup poll then, and see if they feel any differently about the topic?
Young Evangelicals Break From Old on Gay Unions
Nonsense.
If the support Gay Unions or marriage or homosexual acts,then they are NOT Evangelicals......
“LEARN FROM THE OLDER GENERATION”, The Older Gen needs to learn it first.
You’re right on the money.
Hebrews 5:12 “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.”
Hebrews 5:13 “For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.”
Hebrews 5:14 “But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
Evangelism has a place, but too many such churches allow new Christians to remain stuck at salvation and never give them a strong Biblical foundation..Which is why we can have so many Evangelical “Christians” vote for our present Administration.
Singing a few songs and a feel-good sermon isn’t gonna get it done.
Wolves in sheep’s clothing.
I think it depends on who they are calling “evangelical.” In the rapidly-growing evangelical churches of the Reformed (Calivinist) tradition (Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City would be a good example), they are made up disporportionately of younger people, and these young people tend to be more conservative than older evangelicals, as well as being secularly better educated and more knowledgeable about Scripture.
McCain was an abysmal failure. The GOP better get it’s head out of it’s ass.
You flunk today's Bible Study class:
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy."
--Ezekiel 16:49
What an unfortunate reality.
“58 percent of white evangelicals ages 18 to 29 said they support either civil unions or gay marriage”
Then, they’re not CHRISTIAN evangelicals. Now it’s “gay” marriage; what’s next? Pedophile rights???
No fault divorce begot all this “stuff” which creates a powerful argument for those who favor homosexual marriage.
I would say it is more that kids aren’t being properly taught the faith anymore.
IN general I would expect younger people to care less about something like gay marriage since in their lifetime it has been pushed as thoroughly normal behavior. The culture (by way of the media) drives A LOT of this. It doesn’t mean they’re right, it just means it seems right to them.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 (King James Version)
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
“At best, they are infant Christians. The depth of their theological knowledge is limited to “Jesus loves you”. They’re only interested in pop music and good feelings.”
A lot of these evangelical churches limit the teachings of Christ to this. It’s all very touchy-feely, very “self-help” oriented. Very shallow.
It always annoyed me that to find fellow young parishioners that I had to go to these places. I’d often find myself going to church twice a day—once at a church that actually dealt with the tough issues and another for fellowship with people my age.
This gay marriage business is one that has worked its way into the popular media and the schools, and I’m afraid it’s going to destroy the American family from within. You don’t define marriage to the exclusion of child conception and rearing and keep any historical importance it has always had. Marriage is about so much more than “being happy,” but really, that’s all our society seems to care about. It’s a very myoptic, reptilian way to go through life. No higher calling. Just be happy. *rolls eyes*
Every generation thinks they are somehow wiser than the ones before. I don’t think most realize it until they are the older generation themselves. Good on you, we all learn more by listening than by talking!
They must conduct their polls outside a typical American movie theater.
The younger generation of Christians is also very casual about living together without getting married. A young gal who used to cut my hair got married and told me that all her friends thought it was “quaint”. It’s not just non-Christians with that view, unfortunately.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Apparently, the world is being darkened right now as many of those who claim the Name of Christ actually embrace the death and sin of the world. You are likely going to witness the companion increase of hatred against you (and us older believers) for continuing to call this stuff sin. Good for you for refusing the “popular” position.
If the Scriptures that claim God is managing all of this are true (and we believe they are), then we have little to fear, much to watch. We ought to be teaching the truth of His election and rescue of those whom He “...chose before the foundation of the world.” Eph. 1. to as many as will listen. The rest of the folks will not, cannot, hear you.
This is a magnificent drama unfolding before our very eyes as God displays the glory of His control and power. They do not know Who they are trifling with. The “religious” teens, like Miley Cyrus, speak without knowledge, attempting to lead others into the darkness which they themselves do not recognize, making uniformed and incorrect statements about homosexuality and sin. Watch as the world grows cold and more oppressive toward believers who refuse to join in. We may get the opportunity to march back into a coliseum.
They want to be the "cool", pop-acceptable Christians.
If God was tolerant of sin then there never would have been a need for Christ. This, my, generation doesn't understand that and one day will have to answer for their actions. Knowing that one day I will be in front of God and asked to answer for my decisions is not something that I take lightly.
Redefining the word “evangelical”.
FOLKS NOTE THE MSM PUSH on this subject.
McCain’s closetted advisor comes out.
The NYT does a push poll lying about “acceptance” (remember when it was only tolerance)
This is about going after “the children”.
Remember the phrase “never trust anyone over 35”? This is directly onto that. Meghan McCain was the peoples youth republican.
IOW the left is saying the GOP is old and dead, the Democrats are young. Young means you ACCEPT as normal two men playing with each other’s genitals.
Truth is irrelivant, this is about big lie journalism.
You nailed it!
Ezekiel 16:50 KJV (50) And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
2 Peter 2:6-8 KJVR (6) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; (7) And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (8) (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
Jude 1:7 KJVR (7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Amazing chart. When will black Christians wake up to the anti-Christian, anti-God, pro-abortion, anti-marriage, anti-decency Obama Administration? Does being black trump everything, even common sense?
Many pastors these days are spineless and have not preached the truth and now this is what we have.
How do you resolve these places where the Bible contradicts itself?
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