Posted on 04/29/2009 8:12:38 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
I sat in a hotel lobby and was watching CNN reporting on the "Pandemic". I commented to the person sitting next to me that the flus shouldn't be called the swine flu, because it actually is a combination of several flu viruses.
To my surprise, he named off in rapid succession the four viruses that that latest flu bug contained. I asked him how was it that he was so knowledgeable. He responded that he worked for a large pharmacuetical firm.
I commented that it seemed odd that several viruses purportedly from different parts of the globe could combine like they did. He responded that the odds of that happening in nature were "astronomical".
I asked if that meant that this must be an engineered virus. He responded that I should draw my own conclusions and was pretty mum after that.
Is this biological warfare? Would it make sense to drop a virus bomb like this in a heavily populated third world country that would be ill equipped to handle it and would likely spread it to us?
I'm not asking everyone to put on their tinfoil hats, but would appreciate any further information anyone might have to confirm or dispell this seemingly manufactured crisis.
Maybe it is just a swine flu.
Who knows how bad this will be? Bad enough to declare Martial Law?
Or...it could be the Hand of God.
Was the WMD bomb dropped by Obama and his minions on their recent trip to Mexico? Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Obama’s fault. Never let a good crisis go to waste. And if there is no crisis, create one!
I heard on the radio that this virus is identical to last years virus in the USA. This is not new at all.
In other [old] news, Weathermen (when Ayers was active with them), have goal of culling population by 25 million.
Isn't it one virus which mutates four different times to form the final virus? And not four viruses that combine into one virus?
But it’s not just a swine flu. It’s a combo of swine, avian and human strains with no traits that can be traced to Mexico. Very interesting.
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I had heard that the virus contained flu strains from swine, humans, and birds...what is the 4th?
Precisely! How can something mutate into a combination of four distinct strains>
Go with your “gut” on this, truth cannot be known today, it cannot be found from the media nor any source except the good book. Our entire world at this point is a lie ...
I wish I could recall, one was Asian Swine, one was avian and I believe two strains of human flu viruses.
Can anyone tell me if these can combine in nature?
So I vote nature, but am keeping an open mind.
At any rate, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to anything a drug rep goofing off in a hotel lobby happens to say.
However, will this nation recognize a terror attack if it doesn't come wrapped in an explosion and strewn body parts?
I really get tired of hearing, seemingly within minutes, of some catastrophic event (plane crash, refinery explosion, hostage situation) that “there is no evidence that it is terror related.”
Tin foil for everyone. I can’t imagine a worse biological weapon. It gives you sniffles.
The ZerO flu, change you can die for.
“I heard on the radio that this virus is identical to last years virus in the USA. This is not new at all.”
Another reason not to trust the MSM.
Anne Schuchat, director of CDC’s National Center for
Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said that the American cases were found
to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses — North
American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza A
virus subtype H1N1, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and
Europe. For two cases a complete genome sequence had been obtained. She said
that the virus was resistant to amantadine and rimantadine, but susceptible to
oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza).[22][23][24] Preliminary genetic
characterization found that the hemagglutinin (HA) gene was similar to that of
swine flu viruses present in U.S. pigs since 1999, but the neuraminidase (NA)
and matrix protein (M) genes resembled versions present in European swine flu
isolates. Viruses with this genetic makeup had not previously been found to be
circulating in humans or pigs, but there is no formal national surveillance
system to determine what viruses are circulating in pigs in the U.S.
Here’s a question:
Why do they call a type of flu a “Swine Flu”?
Link plz
pig farm manure lagoons are open are pits that stay full year round, for years at a time.
The methane release keeps the pits at decent temperatures for rapid reproduction of viruses, you end up with pig manure, bird droppings from the birds hunting bugs on the periphery, and human viruses from the small village just a short walk from the pits.
If this outbreak teaches us anything, the factory farms in the world MUST find better solutions to manure removal. This is the second outbreak, the Carolina coast has endemic diseases in the rivers and ocean due to overflow from these pits, and this wasn’t enough to find reform.
Hopefully something changes this time around.
Just because the odds are astronomical doesn’t mean it can’t happen. The odds against winning the lottery are much higher, and yet people do.
If it was wouldn't you think they would have engineered something with a mortality rate higher than one or two percent?
I don't know what the odds are but when I heard of the combo I immediate wondered if it had been manufactured.
what is the 4th?
Liberal
If you believe Chaos theory - it was inevitable.
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If it’s true and this emerged from the disgusting Smithfield (American owned) hog manufactuing plant in Mexico...Georgia’s minimal standards were to much for this business by the way then it is not surprising there would be a combination of human, avian and swine virus. Don’t buy meat at Walmart, Publix, Sams...anywhere where the package is market a product of Canada or Mexico...I buy meat at a local grocery store which gets meat from Ohio...it’s not that expensive;buy when it is on sale. Mexico is a cess pool. I trust no products from there or from China for that matter.
They are now saying this is an unusual genetic combination. Two variations of swine flu? They have released it is H1N1, but is that a partial truth? There is no effective vaccine against H2N2 and they are saying no vaccine exists. The vaccine for the human seasonal H1N1 flu does not protect against the swine H1N1 flu, even if the virus strains are the same specific variety, as they are antigenically very different. http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm
As the guy from Nature News says:
All we know is what the press tells us, which doesn’t seem to be the whole story by any stretch of the imagination. Even if a deadly strain WERE accidentally released, and people were starting to get infected, you can bet the CDC and White House would force mainstream newspapers to keep the lid on the news. Why? They don’t want to cause a panic. So even if this virus were in the wild right now, you couldn’t count on the mainstream media to tell you the truth about it. Washington would be, “balancing truth with public safety,” as they say. Or, perhaps, balancing truth with corporate profits.
Don’t trust any “official” news on infectious disease. The official news is shaped to minimize panic and control the public, not to impart accurate information to individual citizens. And I’m willing to bet we’ll never get the true story about this global release of H2N2 by a lab that can only says, “Oops.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2238349/posts
Personally I think the government is taking the wrong tact on this. People should be quarantined, border closed, etc. They may be hoping it shifts to less virulence as it did in 1958.
That’s my conspiracy theory and I’m sticking to it.
The current virus mixes an existing triple combination of human, avian and swine influenza identified in 1998 with two new swine virus genes from Asia and Europe, both of human origin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2239324/posts
Here is another hint this morning. Son of a gun....it is looking like the theory is being proven more right...than conspiracy. It is the lost H2N2 come back to get us.
They are not going to tell us the truth.
Keys to information are leaking out are all around us and it is up to us to decipher them.
The editor from Nature News is correct we will not be told the truth, especially at this stage of the game. Somebody from Fox last night slipped up and meant to stay stage 4 of a pandemic, but said level 4 biohazard then corrected himself.
This morning a few headlines are sprinkled with the phrase, “Deadly Swine Flu.”
And yesterday the boy from here in Ohio was confirmed with the “deadly” strain from Mexico.
People die from the flu all the time, some thousands annually. Any flu is deadly, yet we don't call all flu deadly. Warning words is what I call these.
I don't think this is a case of the media trying to make the story; it is a case of the government trying to keep the media quiet.
The “Asian Flu” was a category 2 flu pandemic outbreak of avian influenza that originated in China in early 1956 lasting until 1958. It originated from mutation in wild ducks combining with a pre-existing human strain.[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H2N2
I continue to stand by my conspiracy theory we are seeing a lab variance of Asian flu. Too many coincidences in my line of thinking from the lost vials and subsequent denials that they were even shipped to Mexico, Bush's executive order from 2005, the unusual assortment they keep referencing, there is no vaccine. If the assortment is different it would not have the H1N1 designation and our vaccine would work.
H2N2 went to H3N2 in an “anti-genetic shift”. I read the use of the same word on the CDC site. The designation hasn't changed, because the designation is wrong to begin with. If they tell us the actual shift...the few of us would figure out what we're dealing with. And they can't have that, that would cause panic.
I believe they are hoping this is an unstable form and shifts like it did in 1958. Think of the scandal on the WHO, CDC, Fed Ex, and all these labs if this is H2N2. We, the US, would be held accountable for the release. Imagine the accusations.
Conglomeration of some of my previous posts the past several days.
Interesting...
Bears repeating
It has become exceedingly difficult to separate truth from the lies to the point where anything is possible and nothing is too diabolical
Except of course that the earliest reports misidentifies the components of this flu. The best research current says it is a combination of a North American swine and European swine ( yeah I know the jokes are obvious). I think we are being played and everyone is reacting like scared and confused children. Certainly The One has figured out how to make the most of a crisis, even if it has to be manufactured
Serious question? (I’m a bit dense at times, if that was sarcasm.)
They call it a “swine” flu because pigs carry it, just like the “avian” flu affects birds. The danger comes when the virus mutates and develops the capacity to jump to another species.
Not true.
The Obama administration's policies are the practical application of the Chaos Theory.
The misinformation is coming from the usual source. If it bleeds it leads, with every type of “news” source suffering declining revenues things are going to bleed bygod. Remember shark attack summer (2000 or 2001 I forget)? All kinds of news of attack off the coast of FA, seemed like the sharks had gone nuts, turned out there were half as many attacks as usual, but 10 times the reporting. And lets not forget the reporting after Katrina, rapes and murders in the Superdome. They never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
That is simply how ALL flu viruses are created. Mutation.
This happens all the time.
This is a made up news story, this happens every year. Watch what the other hand is doing!
The odds against any mutation occurring with a successful result for the organism are staggering, but since nature attempts it constantly, which is a staggering number of times, it’s not really unexpected all.
All that is unexpected is which one will turn into the killer.
Somebody eventually wins the Lottery.
Hear, hear. Remember everyone was bitching about federal monies being spent to do research on waste lagoons? Research is cheap; fixing problems after they’ve blown up is expensive.
Good summary. I’m also keeping an open mind.
First, Mexico. I think that they are actually being fairly straightforward in their reporting, and they seem to be taking basic prudent measures to slow the spread (closing schools, closing restaurants, ect.). But I doubt whether they really have reliable statistics, since poor people are not taken care of in that country the way they would be here. They pretty much expect to crawl off and die, for the most part.
As for this country, I don’t believe a damned thing I hear. We know that Obama is a serial liar, surrounded by corrupt, lying clintonoid operatives. We know that the MSM is filled with opportunist liars and lazy bums who wouldn’t know how to research facts even if they wanted to.
As for WHO, we know they are a UN-type bureaucracy controlled by the international socialists. They are too politically correct to tell the truth.
As for medical researchers and pharmaceutical companies in this country, they know that they are dependent on government regulation and largesse. They will say whatever they are told to say, at risk of losing their research grants or their contracts to make vaccine components.
Then there is the automatic tendency of people in power to hide the truth from the people, because they don’t want to cause panic. Unless, of course, they decide that they DO want to cause panic.
Notice that the first and only actions they have taken, so far, were to declare an emergency so they can start allocating funds, and to start talking about spending MORE money on this or that. Allocating and spending are their chief concerns, thus far. Whether to use the emergency to shape a National Health Care bill, as they have already used it to push through the nomination of Killer Sebelius, awaits further developments.
But we have NO way of knowing what to believe from all these congenital liars and researchers wary of telling the truth for fear of losing their jobs.
Engineered virus was my first thought when the reports came in that it was a combination of swine flu, human flu, bird flu. I have not heard the name of the 4th flu involved. Any more info on that?
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