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General who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes
The News Observer (McClatchy) ^ | 4/23/09 | Warren P. Strobel

Posted on 04/23/2009 10:00:20 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun

WASHINGTON — The Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison accused the Bush administration Wednesday of committing "war crimes" and called for those responsible to be held to account. The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who's now retired, came in a new report that found that U.S. personnel tortured and abused detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, using beatings, electrical shocks, sexual humiliation and other cruel practices.

"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Taguba wrote. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.

A White House spokeswoman, Kate Starr, had no comment.

Taguba didn't respond to a request for further comment relayed via a spokesman.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; afghanistan; bush; iraq; pantload; taguba; warcrimes
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1 posted on 04/23/2009 10:00:20 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Oh, BS.


2 posted on 04/23/2009 10:00:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate24-2009apr24,0,4199113.story


3 posted on 04/23/2009 10:02:42 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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4 posted on 04/23/2009 10:03:06 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Mr. President, I support you but not your mission. I'm showing my patriotism through dissent.")
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To: anniegetyourgun

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/apr/23/torture-legal-opinions-senate-bush

Seems everyone is piling on....


5 posted on 04/23/2009 10:03:30 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jeff Chandler

General Sulu.


6 posted on 04/23/2009 10:04:17 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Note: The following text is a quote:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=54030

Spokesman Cites Pentagon Cooperation in Interrogation Probe

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, April 22, 2009 – The Defense Department provided full cooperation during a U.S. Senate committee investigation that examined detainee-interrogation operations, a senior official said here today.
“We fully cooperated with that effort in responding to requests for interviews, as well as documents,” Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters.

The two-year Senate Armed Services Committee investigation centered on examining U.S. interrogation procedures for detainees captured during the war on terrorism. The committee’s report is critical of some interrogation procedures. The report was released yesterday, after a Pentagon review for declassification purposes.

The Pentagon has conducted several internal investigations into detainee interrogation operations over the years, Whitman said.

“Some of the conclusions in the Senate report are duplicate conclusions to the ones that were made by these [Pentagon] investigations,” Whitman said. “But, in those internal investigations, we have not found any policies of the department that ever permitted or condoned abusive treatment of detainees.

“Our policy has been one of treating detainees humanely,” Whitman emphasized.

However, Whitman said, when instances of improper treatment of detainees by military members were discovered, disciplinary action was taken against the perpetrators.

In fact, Whitman said, more than 400 disciplinary actions were taken against personnel found to have abused detainees, including imprisonment, bad-conduct discharges, forfeiture of pay and other punitive actions.

“The department has always taken any allegations of abuse seriously,” Whitman said. “All credible allegations of abuse have been thoroughly investigated, and when individuals have been found to be acting outside of our proscribed policies, they have been found accountable for their actions.”

Numerous internal Pentagon reviews and reports conducted over the years have examined interrogation policies and detainee procedures, Whitman said.

“We’ve had some 14 very-senior-level, comprehensive reports,” Whitman said, “which have covered not only interrogations, but also our detention operations.”

The Defense Department has worked closely with the Senate investigative committee, Whitman reiterated. More than 200 interviews, some of which were more than eight hours in duration, were facilitated between the committee’s staff and current and past Defense Department officials, he said.

“The effort to cooperate with the committee was significant,” Whitman said, noting that the Pentagon had also provided almost 200,000 pages of documents to committee staffers.


7 posted on 04/23/2009 10:06:14 PM PDT by Cindy
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Keeping Bush in the news cycle so Obama can get a free pass to “change America”.


8 posted on 04/23/2009 10:06:21 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Jeff Chandler

Let me guess, another Klinton affirmative action promotion?


9 posted on 04/23/2009 10:07:14 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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Taguba...take your agenda and stuff it.


10 posted on 04/23/2009 10:07:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: anniegetyourgun

This article is so poorly written, purposely I would imagine, it’s hard to determine who said what, where and when.


11 posted on 04/23/2009 10:07:57 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: ak267

It’s almost like the Left won’t be satisfied until Bush & Cheney are publicly hanged.


12 posted on 04/23/2009 10:08:30 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jeff Chandler

So even Starfleet had its perfumed princes...

Cheers!

13 posted on 04/23/2009 10:08:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ak267

Keeping Bush in the news cycle so Obama can get a free pass to “change America”.

That’s right, the administration wants to fast-track (ie. ram down our throats) the national health care provisions into the budget bill during the reconciliation process so folks cannot see what is planned for them. So keep the American public distracted with this issue and credit card rate caps while they change America like a mad magician!


14 posted on 04/23/2009 10:11:24 PM PDT by bushwon (Wonder if our founding fathers would even recognize the USA?!)
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Did MoveOn give Obama a call?

They don’t have to charge them per se, they just have to keep bringing this up. Bush’s staff will have to “lawer up”, drain their savings, have their reputations ruined by speculation or rumors, then have the accusations “dropped” when it’s runned it course.

Meanwhile, the Dems can use this for campaign contributions and free face time on the MSM.


15 posted on 04/23/2009 10:14:04 PM PDT by ak267
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To: anniegetyourgun

Honestly, at this point, I’d like to see Bush and Cheney put on a show trial. Why? Because it will open the eyes of our feckless Republican politicians and maybe, just maybe, they’ll start playing hardball like our enemies do.


16 posted on 04/23/2009 10:15:04 PM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: ak267

Isn’t cap-n-trade next on the agenda???


17 posted on 04/23/2009 10:15:10 PM PDT by ak267
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To: ak267

Well to the Banana Republic

This is what rogue regime do....

It is so disgusting...and vile...


18 posted on 04/23/2009 10:16:25 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: grey_whiskers

Not even CLOSE


19 posted on 04/23/2009 10:16:29 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If we say "YES. By your definition I guess I'm a rightwing extremist" en-mass, we can shut them down)
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To: Antoninus

I doubt it - I suspect many of them would simply cower or justify such a trial...thinking it will help them get re-elected. Besides, our REAL enemies would love to see us turn on ourselves....while they plot against us.


20 posted on 04/23/2009 10:17:32 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: grey_whiskers
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21 posted on 04/23/2009 10:21:17 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: anniegetyourgun

You can’t handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives.

And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don’t want the truth.

Because deep down, in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use ‘em as a punchline.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I’d rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post.

Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you’re entitled to!


22 posted on 04/23/2009 10:24:50 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: anniegetyourgun

Electrical shocks? BS! Look’s like Soros bought him a retired general!


23 posted on 04/23/2009 10:25:07 PM PDT by avacado
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To: anniegetyourgun

I’m starting to have visions of a basement in Ekatrinberg.


24 posted on 04/23/2009 10:29:35 PM PDT by VR-21 (Think it's time we stop, Hey what's that sound.....)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Its BS, but I have a terrible fear that one way or another, Bush will be murdered by the left.


25 posted on 04/23/2009 10:30:53 PM PDT by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: grey_whiskers

He is as outspoken as he is ugly.... Another Bush hater. Send him back to his own country....


26 posted on 04/23/2009 10:35:25 PM PDT by trixi
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To: anniegetyourgun

He’s jonesing for an interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews.


27 posted on 04/23/2009 10:41:06 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: anniegetyourgun

The “Won” stupidly unlocked a whole can of left wing beans.


28 posted on 04/23/2009 10:45:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Cindy

Thanks Cindy. I don’t know what this guy’s goal is here. I do tend to doubt his story is immune to conflicting explanations that would put some of this in an entirely different light.

It’s strange how the Pentagon and the Democrat Controlled Senate can come up with a report that does not list the types of abuses he claims.

I’d have to admit to being very suspect of this.

I will also state that the Iraqi government would have been very angry if their citizens had been subject to such treatment. It would have made cohesive coordination almost impossible. For that reason alone, I am quite suspect of this guy.


29 posted on 04/23/2009 10:54:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

“...the current administration...”? Did he say this Wednesday or back when President Bush was in office? I’m confused.


30 posted on 04/23/2009 10:58:24 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
It's sickening that there are military types that use their proboscis as anal probes in pursuit of promotion while 'in' and they continue after they're out (e.g., Wesley Clark). Unfortunately, when there are a group of people involved, you will always have a range and often a statistical tail that ‘embarrasses’.
31 posted on 04/23/2009 10:58:28 PM PDT by plsjr (<>< "Diversity" = "accept anything, including the worst" Choose the best on its own merits.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

I wish someone [one of those poor mistreated prisoner/terrorists] would torture that bastard’s ass, then maybe he’d know what torture really is...uh, oh...my bad, after they got thru with him, he wouldn’t know anything, would he?...’cause his head would be separated from his body, laying on the floor between his feet or stuck on a pole somewhere.


32 posted on 04/23/2009 11:05:03 PM PDT by top 2 toe red (O-B-A-M-A = One Big Ass Mistake, America.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“It would have made cohesive coordination almost impossible.”

I agree.


33 posted on 04/23/2009 11:08:31 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: ak267
Exactly, its more obsfurcation..

Typical lib tactic...take your eye off the ball...

34 posted on 04/23/2009 11:17:16 PM PDT by KLT (A damn Yankee, from the great state of Mississippi....Go Freepers GO!)
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To: trixi

I thought I saw him harvesting rice..


35 posted on 04/23/2009 11:20:03 PM PDT by KLT (A damn Yankee, from the great state of Mississippi....Go Freepers GO!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

does anyone in their right mind think a President can possibly micromanage to that degree? Do they have any idea of why we call the federal government a leviathan? Its enormous.


36 posted on 04/23/2009 11:26:17 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: GeronL

The left wants a president that can micromanage to that degree.


37 posted on 04/23/2009 11:33:51 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

its not possible of course.

I am just wondering which top official will be airbrushed out of the May Day Parade pictures on the front page of PRAVDA...


38 posted on 04/23/2009 11:36:34 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: anniegetyourgun

This site says Taguba is part of Obama for America, Obama’s campaign organization (along with other well known radicals.)
http://www.nndb.com/org/684/000167183/

DG
“Bad company corrupts good morals.”


39 posted on 04/24/2009 12:10:08 AM PDT by DoorGunner ( "...and so, all Israel will be saved.")
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To: anniegetyourgun

We slapped around captured rabid insane enemies and made them do no more or less than we do violent aggressive criminals in our own prisons who refuse to comply with their captors.

This trash administration and it’s handlers will be held accountable for their sedition, aiding and abetting those who want to do our nation, it’s non combatants, our republic and our liberty harm.

Doom on em all.....my opinion.


40 posted on 04/24/2009 12:20:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: anniegetyourgun

This POS is a traitor as was that chaplain Yee.


41 posted on 04/24/2009 12:24:38 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: anniegetyourgun

McCain said something similar.

>>McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding
GOP Candidate Says There Should Be “Little Doubt” It Is Torture<<

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla., Nov. 29, 2007

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml


42 posted on 04/24/2009 12:28:14 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Jeff Chandler
Tetemo mala it.

Puck this Pilipino.

Those people are known for saying stupid things, its small man syndrome.

43 posted on 04/24/2009 12:37:48 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: anniegetyourgun
The press is reporting '80 Are Killed in 3 Suicide Bombings in Iraq' --- those are beastly war crimes, yet where is the outcry from the leftists? The U.N.? The E.U.? Or the cries from State Department's offical battle axe, Hillary, to fully hold accountable those supporting Muslin nation's leaders for crimes against humanity for monetarily aiding jihadist killers or shipping and training them, such as Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Islamic Gulf OPEC nations, the Sudan and it's very likely Libya is back in the act too.

Since Obama mouthed off, telling the Iranian backed Iraqi Shi'ite terrorist gangs, the lurking Taliban & Al-Qaida terrorists about his future cut-and-run plans, eventually leaving Iraq and her oil reserves to the Russian supported Iranians, plus the Turks will attempt a power play in Kurdistan, the Syrians on the western front and Saudi-funded Al-Qaida killers will be blowing themselves up left and right. Really smart from the White House...........

44 posted on 04/24/2009 1:32:40 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Some one needs to take....


45 posted on 04/24/2009 1:51:37 AM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: VR-21
"I’m starting to have visions of a basement in Ekatrinberg"

Yup, no different than Lenin....death squads, shallow pits and vats of acid.
46 posted on 04/24/2009 1:58:29 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: anniegetyourgun

This simple scumbag Taguba sounds like a Clinton general.


47 posted on 04/24/2009 1:59:14 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ReneeLynn

That confused me too.


48 posted on 04/24/2009 2:05:14 AM PDT by agrace
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To: anniegetyourgun
It’s almost like the Left won’t be satisfied until Bush & Cheney are publicly hanged.

It's not almost. They want them dead. Hypocritically, if Bush & Co. publicly hanged terrorists, the left would riot in the streets.

49 posted on 04/24/2009 2:12:39 AM PDT by guitar Josh
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To: anniegetyourgun

“It’s almost like the Left won’t be satisfied until Bush & Cheney are publicly hanged.”

Without a doubt. The vitriol and hatred have been well publicized since what, 2000? IMO, they will stop at nothing to see them, as well as others, punished to the fullest extent THEY find possible.

But yes, as a point to another post, I also believe that keeping them in the ‘news’ is allowing Obama’s daily agenda to destroy capitalism in favor of (at best) socialism, to advance unnoticed/unchallenged. Democrats are on the offence, Republicans on the defense. Glenn Beck is absolutely correct...pay no attention to what they make the ‘issue of the day’, something much more important is happening behind the scenes.


50 posted on 04/24/2009 2:14:30 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Flying my flag upside down until our constitution is respected/our nation is restored.)
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