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George Will: Racing Past the Constitution
townhall.com ^ | April 12, 2009 | George Will

Posted on 04/12/2009 7:29:21 AM PDT by kellynla

Edited on 04/12/2009 7:34:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Rampant redistribution of wealth by government is now the norm. So is this: It inflames government's natural rapaciousness and subverts the rule of law. This degeneration of governance is illustrated by the Illinois Legislature's transfer of income from some disfavored riverboat casinos to racetracks.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; constitution; georgewill; porky; spreadthewealth; vichyrepublican
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1 posted on 04/12/2009 7:29:21 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

George is a national treasure.

Just like baseball.


2 posted on 04/12/2009 7:31:08 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

When he is speaking with a Conservative voice, he is.


3 posted on 04/12/2009 7:42:51 AM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: PackerBoy
When he is speaking with a Conservative voice, he is.

He's a one of a kind mind, I think.

4 posted on 04/12/2009 7:44:17 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: PackerBoy

Yep. You never know if it’s “Good Will” or “Bad Will”. I guess since the election is over, it’s back to good will.


5 posted on 04/12/2009 7:44:38 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: kellynla

The casino’s weren’t paying the Chicago mob the percentage of the take that the ponies were offering.

Are there any Chicago newspapers willing to print that simple truth?

Oh! Wait...my sentence was too long....

Are there any Chicago newspapers?


6 posted on 04/12/2009 7:45:52 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: kellynla
The careful crafters of the Bill of Rights intended the adjective "public" to restrict government takings to uses directly owned by government or primarily serving the general public, such as roads, bridges or public buildings.

The only matter exercised carefully by today's politicians is job security.

Our government was only a few months old when some officials tried to empower government beyond its design. James Madison objected to the attempt:

"If Congress can apply money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may establish teachers in every State, county, and parish, and pay them out of the public Treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may undertake the regulation of all roads, other than post roads. In short, everything, from the highest object of State legislation, down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit the application of money, and might be called if Congress pleased provisions for the general welfare."

7 posted on 04/12/2009 7:46:02 AM PDT by Loud Mime (If Christians cannot unite in battle to save this nation, it will be lost)
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To: Glenn
They came for the pro-lifers but I did nothing

They came for the gun owners but I did nothing.

They came for the evangelicals in the public square but I did nothing

They came for the home schoolers but I did nothing

They came for the supporters of the sanctity of marriage but I did nothing.

When they came for the social conservatives I did nothing because I was a fiscal conservative.

Now they are coming for me...


8 posted on 04/12/2009 7:51:57 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: PackerBoy

Unfortunately, last fall he was running around the country saying it wouldn’t make much difference who got elected.

I was there. I heard it. He may be a national treasure, but he’s very LATE on the uptake.


9 posted on 04/12/2009 7:55:05 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama's got Bush's inheritance .......and now he wants your kids'.)
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To: kellynla
I hate the concept of 'settled law.'

'It's OK as long as we get away with it long enough.'

10 posted on 04/12/2009 7:57:38 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's time to waterboard that teleprompter and find out what it knows.)
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To: kellynla
...the (Illinois) court said it is “well settled” that the takings clause applies only to government's exercise of its eminent domain power regarding land, buildings and other tangible or intellectual property — but not money.

The takings clause will be used to justify ther Obama’s seisure...., ahem....transfer of wealth to his supporters.

All he needs to do is place a few more justices from Illinois on the Supreme Court and it's a done deal...

11 posted on 04/12/2009 7:57:55 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: nathanbedford

The quandry is: what do you do?

Most of us Freepers are probably people who work hard, pay their taxes, and spend what free time we have with our families. I myself have a job and a side business—there is literally nothing left for activism. My political “activism” is restricted to writing/calling my Congressman (if necessary), posting here on FR, and voting.

That is the dilemma for most conservatives. We are by nature responsible—and responsible people are busy living their lives and bound by their numerous obligations. They don’t have a lot of excess free time to lobby for their political agenda unless its really important. Many liberals on the other hand seem to have all the time in the world to make noise. Gays have no kids, so they seem to have all the $$ in the world to shower on advocacy groups.

The problem is finding effective ways we can make a difference.


12 posted on 04/12/2009 8:01:25 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: kellynla
..the (Illinois) court said it is “well settled” that the takings clause applies only to government's exercise of its eminent domain power regarding land, buildings and other tangible or intellectual property — but not money.

Evil, evil ,evil.....

13 posted on 04/12/2009 8:03:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: All

The Anti-dog-eat-dog Rule is passed by the National Alliance of Railroads in section 145, allegedly to prevent “destructive competition” between railroads. The rule gives the Alliance the authority to forbid competition between railroads in certain parts of the country. It was crafted by Orren Boyle as a favor for James Taggart, with the purpose of driving the Phoenix-Durango out of Colorado.


14 posted on 04/12/2009 8:18:54 AM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: rbg81
The quandry is: what do you do?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What to do?

It is probably too late, but we must start with our nation's children.

We are slowly simmering like frogs in this anti-constitutional and Marxist created stew because conservatives have allowed the liberal/Marxists to educate our nation's children in government indoctrination camps ( misnamed “public” schools) for decade upon decade.

Marxist educated children then grow up to be Marxists who seek out the arts, media, colleges, universities, and government schools for employment. They see Marxist community agitation as an honorable “career choice”.

Marxist educated children are utterly incapable of defending their faith and nation's heritage and whither before their Marxist professors on our colleges and universities.

What to do?

Answer:

*Immediately remove your children from the government L-12 indoctrination camps. Encourage your neighbor to do the same.

*Work to close down **every** government K-12 school in this nation.

*Establish private **conservative** education foundations to award private grants to conservative teachers. These teachers would open tuition-free one room schools, mini-schools, and homeschool cooperatives. The conservative foundation would certify the teacher, approve the curriculum, and test the students.

*Every child in this nation could and should have access to a tuition-free conservative education. Yes, we are wealthy enough as conservatives to do this. We just need a little bit of leadership to make it happen.

* Within a few years our college classrooms would be filled to the brim with youth who were fully prepared to defend their faith and our nation's founding values. Evil could not stand before them.

But....It is probably too late.

15 posted on 04/12/2009 8:23:40 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: kellynla

This is who Georgie wanted since Gov Palin was such a rube. Now live w/it Georgie, you got just what you wanted. The rest of us Rubes warned you Chablis Drinking DC Repubs.

Happy Easter


16 posted on 04/12/2009 8:25:24 AM PDT by bray (Join the Rebel Republican Movement!)
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To: rbg81

Most minorities hang out together, and therefore support each other. We don’t, except in church, and that is definitely reserved for worship. The Young Republicans do meet here in Springfield.


17 posted on 04/12/2009 8:28:06 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: rbg81
I myself have a job and a side business—there is literally nothing left for activism.

On the other hand, if you were a criminal, welfare rat or illegal alien, you would have plenty of time to be an "activist" for more re-distribution of someone elses wealth.

18 posted on 04/12/2009 8:28:16 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I shoot only after kindness fails.)
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To: kellynla
Illinois has nine licensed riverboat casinos and five horse-racing tracks. In 2006, supposedly to "address the negative impact that riverboat gaming has had" on Illinois horse racing, the Legislature -- racing interests made huge contributions to Gov. Rod Blagojevich -- mandated a transfer of 3 percent of the gross receipts of the four most profitable casinos,

I am a simple man and therefore simple solutions are always most appealing to me.

That said wouldn’t be much simpler to give the race tracks a 3% tax break.

But of course to the leftist Illinois legislature tax breaks are immoral and unpatriotic.

19 posted on 04/12/2009 8:36:35 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Glenn

Read Will’s awesome book on baseball, MEN AT WORK

In the 4 chapters of the book, he does a great job of analyzing 4 main elements of the game:

The pitcher, the hitter, the Manager and defense, i.e. fielding...

Will truly is an original thinker...I love seeing him battle wits with the mindless Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts and Steffienopoulous


20 posted on 04/12/2009 8:36:57 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: kellynla
Illinois Legislature's transfer of income from some disfavored riverboat casinos to racetracks

Two words: Mob Sters

21 posted on 04/12/2009 8:47:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("It's not treason to want freedom.")
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To: kellynla
Illinois has nine licensed riverboat casinos and five horse-racing tracks. In 2006, supposedly to "address the negative impact that riverboat gaming has had" on Illinois horse racing, the Legislature -- racing interests made huge contributions to Gov. Rod Blagojevich -- mandated a transfer of 3 percent of the gross receipts of the four most profitable casinos, those in the Chicago area, to the state's horse-racing tracks. This levy, subsequently extended to run until 2011, will confiscate substantially more than $100 million

This is a great deal for the Illinois Treasury, they get to tax that $100 million twice.

First they tax it as income for the Casinos then they get to tax it as income for the race tracks.

What a deal?!

22 posted on 04/12/2009 8:51:37 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: rbg81

I don’t really expect the way things will develop in the future in the United States to vary much from world-wide historical patterns.

And that means that there will be NO real effective opposition to the plans and schemes of the Socialists until there is NO alternative, and by that time the polarization will be complete.

There won’t any longer be any ambivalence and there won’t be any doubt. Targets will be fixed and known. Then there will be the possibility of real change - back to a Constitutional Republic. Maybe.

Revolutions don’t come with guaranteed outcomes, only guaranteed sacrifice.


23 posted on 04/12/2009 8:53:55 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: BipolarBob

Yeah, that was kind of my point.


24 posted on 04/12/2009 8:54:10 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Glenn

When did George Will start worrying about the US Constitution? Did he take a blow to the head recently?


25 posted on 04/12/2009 8:54:30 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: nathanbedford
They came for the pro-lifers but I did nothing....

Amen, brother.
26 posted on 04/12/2009 9:04:37 AM PDT by cybervyk
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To: Loud Mime
I love and revere James Madison, but man o man he missed the boat on that one. The anti-federalists saw this coming and warned of it. Patrick Henry's arguments to the Virginia House during the ratification debate laid it all out, and Madison argued against him, argued that Henry and the anti-feds were worried about nothing. Madison was dead wrong.

I greatly revere what Madison and framers did, but in my view, they failed, and I believe if they were here they would admit the same. Conservatives constantly talk about the Federalist papers, when really it's the anti-federalists we should revere even more, because they were right. We shouldn't be trying to "conserve" our flawed Constitution. We should be trying to amend it--to fix all the obvious faults, by way of amendment.

27 posted on 04/12/2009 9:05:50 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: wintertime

Not all public schools are created equal. My wife and I went to public school and came out fine. My son went to public school and came out fine—he’s now an engineering major at college (Dean’s list). My daugher is not as sharp as my son, but she is coming along.

I know a lot of people who send their kids to Catholic school. My own feeling is that I pay thru the nose in property taxes and I’ll be damned if I’m going to pay on top of that for private school. Your kids can get a good quality public education, you just may have to work a little harder at it. I do monitor what my kids learn and make sure they get the information to counter-act the BS. My son started out believing global warming was a fact (based on what he was learning in school), but now agrees with me it is just a huge scam.

Honestly, I blame “parents” who find it easier to plot their kids in front of a TV, feed them Ritalin, and hand out cash and goodies like water. Parenting is not about being their best friend, giving them everything they want, or defending them when they’re wrong. Its about watching, mentoring, and making the unpopular choices when necessary. By punting on their responsibilities, many parents have set the stage for their kids to look to Government for all the answers.


28 posted on 04/12/2009 9:07:12 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81
I am as frustrated as you are. I sit over here in Germany feeling utterly impotent as I watch the birthright slipping away.

My post was really designed to point out the need for unity of purpose and action within the community of conservatives. I regard myself to be both a social and a fiscal conservative as well as a national Defense conservative (with a pesky streak of libertarianism which erupts like a virus from time to time). For years we in the social conservative movement have been belittled and marginalized and caricatured by the forces of the left and many have felt themselves deserted by the fiscal conservatives.

Now the fiscal conservatives (of whom I am also one) are about to be plucked like a Christmas goose. We are all in this fix together; the question is do we see that we are hanging separately because we would not hang together?

This is not one sided. The fiscal conservatives have a legitimate beef against the profligacy of the Republican Party since George Bush went into the oval office. They have just as much clause to feel abandoned by the party as do the conservatives as they watched farm subsidies, prescription drug entitlements, war funding, bridges to nowhere, and AIDS relief to Africa, drain the party of credibility as they drained the national treasury.

Now we are told by fiscal conservatives like David Brooks and goofy conservatives like Peggy Noonan that we must shed half the party because social conservatives are a national embarrassment. These people, George Will himself not excluded, should be searching for ways to unite this party.


29 posted on 04/12/2009 9:12:28 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: rbg81
Not all public schools are created equal.

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All, (every, each one,) government schools MUST, by law, teach everything within the framework of a godless religious worldview.

That one fact has non-neutral religious, cultural, and political consequences.

Please remember there is never a religious vacuum. ALL education is taught within the framework of either a godless religious worldview or a God-centered one.

I am please that you, your wife, and your son beat the odds. The stats aren't good. Any conservative Christian who sends their child into the atheistic, Marxist-centered, government schools is playing Russian Roulette with their child's eternal salvation. ( Except the odds on Russian Roulette are better.)

Whereas, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported to the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention that 88 percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at the age of 18, never to return; and

http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200406/200406030.asp

30 posted on 04/12/2009 9:28:46 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: nathanbedford
as they watched farm subsidies, prescription drug entitlements, war funding, bridges to nowhere, and AIDS relief to Africa, drain the party of credibility as they drained the national treasury.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And...Don't forget the massive intrusion of government in the form of NCLB. ( No Child Left Behind) and Bush's national prescription plan.

Then there are the other repubs like McCain with his McCain Fiengold restrictions on free speech, Orin Hatch and national health care for children, Arlen Sphincter voting according to Scotish law....

I am exasperated!

31 posted on 04/12/2009 9:39:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: G Larry
The casino’s weren’t paying the Chicago mob the percentage of the take that the ponies were offering.

The Mob has owned most of the 'drop' on the race tracks in Chicagoland since the days of Al Capone who was an avid race track habitue'.

32 posted on 04/12/2009 9:47:45 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Seruzawa
other tangible or intellectual property

Tangible or Intellectual property????They can confiscate BOOKS, Movies, Music...Photos? Whoa Nellie! The barn door is really open here!

33 posted on 04/12/2009 9:52:40 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: wintertime

All, (every, each one,) government schools MUST, by law, teach everything within the framework of a godless religious worldview.


Y’know what? I would rather handle the religious education of my kids than leave it up to the public schools. IMHO, that would be a real formula for disaster. I’m sure they would come away from that worshipping the sun, trees, Gaia, or even Islam! The last thing I want public schools to do is touch religion. If you find a Church school you want to send you kid to, that’s great. But expecting public schools to teach religion is courting REAL disaster.


34 posted on 04/12/2009 10:08:59 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: wintertime
We are slowly simmering like frogs in this anti-constitutional and Marxist created stew because conservatives have allowed the liberal/Marxists to educate our nation's children in government indoctrination camps ( misnamed “public” schools) for decade upon decade.

See post #7 and the quote from James Madison. Note especially the part about public education.

35 posted on 04/12/2009 10:11:08 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Pontiac
I am a simple man and therefore simple solutions are always most appealing to me.

And usually right. See: "Occam's Razor".

36 posted on 04/12/2009 10:16:32 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: rbg81

Excellent post! I agree completely.


37 posted on 04/12/2009 10:19:43 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Glenn

Today, Ruth Bader Ginsburg once again, said no big deal when SCOTUS uses foreign law to decide cases. She said, people should be ashamed blasting courts who use foreign law. So now we have 3-4 jurists wanting to use other than our Const. to judge American cases. Elections have consequences. Obama will fill the lower courts with more Ginsburgs.


38 posted on 04/12/2009 10:23:26 AM PDT by phillyfanatic ( iT)
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To: kellynla

I wonder if he ran this story by his new best buddy Zero during pizza night at the White House.

I’m sure Zero invited George over for pizza as a thanks to George having Zero over at his house.

George Will is like your good old dog that one day bites you, you’ll never trust it again.


39 posted on 04/12/2009 10:23:55 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: PackerBoy

“When he is speaking with a Conservative voice, he is.”

But that’s pretty rare.


40 posted on 04/12/2009 10:25:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: wintertime
I disagree. It depends on where you live as far as the schools are concerned. We live in West Seneca, NY (near Buffalo a very democrat area) and the schools in my town are very good. The town still puts up a manger scene in front of Town Hall every year at Christmas.

The public schools here are very good and turn out good citizens. My kids went to CCD classes for religion and all are very conservative just like the old man.

So it really does depend on two things, where you live and the involvement of the parents.

41 posted on 04/12/2009 10:28:48 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: mc5cents; wintertime; rbg81
There was a time when the percentage of schools were mostly like yours. If any of that is left, it's there on the last wave of the past.

And rust never sleeps. As wintertime notes, schools come under federal and state regulation. Some districts may be more accountable to regional preferences, but the meaning of public is not just that you come out OK. What is the meaning of "public education." Carefully consider what winterime said: "there is never a religious vacuum." This doesn't mean private or parochial education is sufficient to restore educational health. Very often mere ambition to counter is emotion without knowledge, fist-fighting without a head. For any forms of resistance there will ever be a temptation to seize the seats of power. Ask Frodo what it means to carry the ring.

42 posted on 04/12/2009 10:50:24 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: bray

Exactly, Will is a Vichy Republican, let us not also forget that he was among the select group of ersatz “Conservative Columnists” who had dinner with Obama and no one spoke about what was said at the meeting.

Will, Noonan, Brooks...Vichy Republicans one and all.


43 posted on 04/12/2009 11:22:57 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: kellynla

bfl


44 posted on 04/12/2009 11:24:30 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: Glenn
He's a one of a kind mind, I think.

I don't know. He seems part of the less than special group of apparent conservatives that couldn't see the most obvious thing last fall; that Obama is a radical leftist. He spent his whole life acting smart, but he gave in to the fashion of the day. His behavior was no different than the teenage girl that sucks up to the popular but deranged popular girl just to fit in. One of a kind? More like dime a dozen.

45 posted on 04/12/2009 2:11:29 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn
One of a kind? More like dime a dozen.

You're following the crowd.

46 posted on 04/12/2009 2:12:59 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn
You're following the crowd.

It's Mr. Will that abandoned his stated principles and followed the crowd. Obviously, his damn-near endorsement of Obama didn't make the difference by itself. Still, his actions were deeply demoralizing; allowing the left to say "See, even George Will thinks Obama is the coollest". Unforgivable.

47 posted on 04/12/2009 2:24:27 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Huck

Have I argued this before with you?

When matters are considered, one should realize what led to the events at the time of the writing....the time of the Articles of Confederation. Our nation was failing.

Madison argued well on the Cod Fisheries issue; and won. If the Constitution were faulty, he would have lost.

The AntiFeds had points, but they never offered a good alternative government; they just complained about the lack of perfection and the problems that would have arisen from what was really any government. Human nature never changes.

More later....I’m going to the Laker’s game....4th row, center court. :^O


48 posted on 04/12/2009 3:20:38 PM PDT by Loud Mime (If Christians cannot unite in battle to save this nation, it will be lost)
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To: rbg81; mc5cents
The last thing I want public schools to do is touch religion.
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Public schools are **not** religiously neutral.

**No** school is religiously neutral. I know that is hard for many to wrap their heads around. A religiously neutral school can not exist. It is axiomatic.

There is no such thing as a religious vacuum. Everyone ( and **all** schools) have a religious worldview. There are only 2 choices: godless or God-centered.

Both religious worldviews ( godless or God-centered) have non-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences.

That is why government schools must be abolished. Government should never be in the business of **establishing** one religious worldview over another. It a First Amendment Right as well as human right.

If parents want an atheistic, secular humanist, Marxist oriented religious worldview for their children, then they should send their kid to a private atheistic school. They shouldn't expect taxpayers to pay for it. Neither should those wanting a God-centered education.

49 posted on 04/12/2009 4:30:32 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

The problem you run into with religion and public schools is WHOSE RELIGION do you advocate? Protestant? Catholic? Jewish? Muslim? You can’t win here. I have no problem with voluntary (no coerced) school prayer or vanilla references to God (like in the Pledge of Allegiance). Beyond that, you’re treading on very thin ice. Any demonination is going to feel slighted if they feel they are in any way subsidizing someone else’s religion being pushed down their kids throats.

Same thing goes with ideology.


50 posted on 04/12/2009 6:00:04 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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