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FBI database links long-haul truckers, serial killings
LA Times ^
| April 5, 2009
| Scott Glover
Posted on 04/05/2009 6:17:52 PM PDT by zaphod3000
The FBI suspects that serial killers working as long-haul truckers are responsible for the slayings of hundreds of prostitutes, hitchhikers and stranded motorists whose bodies have been dumped near highways over the last three decades.
Federal authorities first made the connection about five years ago while helping police link a trucker to a string of unsolved killings along Interstate 40 in Oklahoma and several other states. After that, the FBI launched the Highway Serial Killings Initiative to track suspicious slayings and suspect truckers.
A computer database maintained by the FBI has grown to include information on more than 500 female crime victims, most of whom were killed and their bodies discarded at truck stops, motels and other locations along popular trucking routes crisscrossing the U.S.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: databases; fbi; serialkillers; serialkillings; trucking
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Red dots on the map above supplied by the FBI mark the locations of hundreds of bodies and human remains discovered along highways over the past three decades
To: zaphod3000
Sorry if this has been posted before . . . searched and didn’t see it.
To: zaphod3000
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:19:55 PM PDT
by
dr_who
To: zaphod3000
I wonder how much brainpower that theory took.
They were looking at truckers as possible suspects in the Green River killings a long time ago. Turns out he only PAINTED the trucks.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:22:01 PM PDT
by
conservative cat
(America, you have been PWNED!)
To: zaphod3000
From the looks of the map, the east has most of the dots.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:22:20 PM PDT
by
umgud
(I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
To: zaphod3000
Haven’t countless movies and weekly crime shows been made on this subject?
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:23:09 PM PDT
by
Riverine
To: zaphod3000
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:23:33 PM PDT
by
Clintons Are White Trash
(Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
To: umgud
Alot of produce moved from Florida up the coast to airports.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:24:12 PM PDT
by
autumnraine
(Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
To: zaphod3000
Saw a story on the FBI Files on this very subject. Trucker was picking up woman and killing them. Had a torture chamber in his sleeper. Took awhile to track him down. Very chilling story. This looks to be more common than I had thought.
To: zaphod3000
We hav an I 91 truck stop about 12 miles away.Its the first major Southbound Truck Stop out of Canada.
The girls have CB units and they hook up and ride with truckers by having their friends drop em off.
Dangerous business.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:27:28 PM PDT
by
Candor7
(The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
To: zaphod3000
Certainly very interesting. But as usual, I can’t see that the FBI deserves much credit.
Over 500 victims, but only a few people have been caught.
Of those, one was caught when his girlfriend confessed. Another was caught when the parents of a 15-year old found him in their house about to stab their daughter. It’s not clear in the third case mentioned whether credit goes to the FBI or a police detective.
I’m not saying that this database isn’t a useful tool, but it doesn’t look as if the success rate is very high so far.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:28:46 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: zaphod3000
It's freaking bad enough that truckers get blamed for most things but now....... California won't let truckers idle their trucks for over 5 minutes, no matter how hot or cold it is due to carbon dioxide pollution. We can't drive over 55 mph in California but cars can do 70 and let me see, oh yeah, that causes rear end collisions that truckers are blamed for. When truckers are involved in wrecks, over 80% of the time, it's caused by cars. (But you never hear that). People blame truckers for causing traffic jams because we don't have the get up and go a car has.
NOW, for God's sake, they claim to associate murders with truckers. People just don't realize that everything, I mean EVERTHING, everyone has, i.e.; cars, food, clothing, just the necessities of life, has been in or on a truck. Stop blaming truckers for everything bad in the world and just thank one someday. I thank soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airman all the time, but it would be nice to have someone thank a trucker for doing what we do under adverse conditions and separated from our families in the process.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:29:21 PM PDT
by
antiunion person
("Do as I say, not as I do" says Nazi Pelosi, head of the socialist party of America.)
To: zaphod3000
In the southwestern states there tends to be a strong North/South trend.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:31:42 PM PDT
by
SpaceBar
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To: Riverine
"...Havent countless movies and weekly crime shows been made on this subject?..." "Suspect Zero", is an excellent example. Aaron Eckhart and Ben Kingsley put on great performances in this psychic thriller (although, maybe I'm partial 'cause it was filmed in NM).
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:35:29 PM PDT
by
conservativeharleyguy
(Obama would rather we fight imaginary "carbon" in the clouds than terrorists in caves.)
To: Riverine
To: zaphod3000
We need more safety for our daughters. Register every long-haul trucker -- name, face, address, fingerprints and DNA. Update these every year.
Of, and mandate RFID chip implants too.
0.5 / sarc
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:40:22 PM PDT
by
Clint Williams
(Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
To: zaphod3000
Um, over the last 30 years, 590,000 people have been murdered in the US. That's a long time, you see. At this moment, there are 1.86 million truck drivers (heavy tractor trailers only, not local light delivery trucks), or roughly 1.2% of all jobs, 0.6% of the total population (including kids etc). That means purely statistically, if there is no difference between a trucker and anybody else, you'd expect around 5000 to 6000 murders to have been committed by truckers over the last 30 years. The true figure is probably less than that, because (employed) truckers are probably more law abiding that your average yute in the cities. But there is no reason to suppose serial anything about it, nor for that matter to assume trucker anything about it, since oh about 80 times as many people drive.
In short, this is a crazy fantasy of nutjobs with too much time on their hands...
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:41:11 PM PDT
by
JasonC
To: zaphod3000
long haul trucker - serial killer.
Having seen that in more than, hmmmm....at least three different hollywood movies. How ever did the FBI figure that out???
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:41:52 PM PDT
by
bpjam
(Tell your Rep/Senator to Google: Marjorie Mezvinsky. Yes, it IS a threat.)
To: antiunion person
It would seem to me that a theory such as this is not exactly a stretch.
Let me see if I have this straight: Tens of thousands of men on the road alone with thousands of hours each of time un-accounted for. Would not be too much of a reach to suggest that there may be a few serial killers among this lot. But more to the point, these are more likely crimes of opportunity that happen in a similar fashion from a broader group of individuals.
Applying simple probability to such a large and transient group of individuals, will yield at least a few that are a part of a pattern, and more that match a pattern that are random and unrelated.
Also, if one were to commit a murder of a prostitute, why wouldn’t one dispose of the body where it would point to a group that is transient? Easy deflection of suspicion.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:42:30 PM PDT
by
Ouderkirk
(Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
To: antiunion person
California won't let truckers idle their trucks for over 5 minutes, no matter how hot or cold it is due to carbon dioxide pollution. We can't drive over 55 mph in California but cars can do 70... It's all politics.
The 55 mph for trucks is absurd.
And isn't really enforced often enough to get truckers to obey it.
Which is a good thing IMO.
Of course the reason they have draconian laws in almost every situation you can imagine is so if they want to, they can arrest every one.
I've traveled across the country 8 times or so this decade, and most states have reasonable speed limits for trucks and there is no problem.
I always hated getting back to California when I was driving trucks, you had to crawl at 55 and could only use the two right lanes.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:43:53 PM PDT
by
Syncro
(Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
To: rabidralph
To: antiunion person
Stop blaming truckers for everything bad in the world and just thank one someday.Yes, truckers are unfairly maligned. I remember a story about how much it costs the state to clean up bottles of "truckers lemonade" tossed on the side of the highways. You have to admit that the trucking profession could be seen as attractive to the isolated anti-social type. However, trucking certainly doesn't have a corner on those people.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:50:04 PM PDT
by
Birch T. Barlow
(Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
To: zaphod3000
Yeow! Looks like the theory works. All the red dots on major interstates would make the existence of trucker serial killer(s) a distinct possibility.
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posted on
04/05/2009 6:52:45 PM PDT
by
lilylangtree
(Veni, Vidi, Vici)
To: zaphod3000
“Federal authorities first made the connection about five years ago...”
Federal work pace. No wonder 9-11-2001 happened. No real sense of urgency?
To: antiunion person
I've known a lot of truckers, good bad and ugly.
Every profession has people that get into it because it creates a way for them to engage in some criminal activity.
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:07:38 PM PDT
by
Richard Kimball
(We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
To: zaphod3000
Well, one thing women are always taught in self defense class is to not allow an attacker to get them into his vehicle.
In the case of truck stop prostitutes, the truckers leave their door open and the women climb in.
With engine idling, once the door is closed, nobody outside will hear a thing.
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:10:07 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: zaphod3000
I saw bits and pieces of that movie and I just laughed at the dated style of storytelling. Love Dennis Weaver, though.
To: zaphod3000
Whoa. Fascinating but also very sad and scary stuff.
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:23:57 PM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: antiunion person
“EVERTHING, everyone has, i.e.; cars, food, clothing, just the necessities of life, has been in or on a truck”
Right! I often think of this when I go by our local truck stop at night and see the trucks lined up for the night. It is terrible the way truckers are treated. Not nearly enough places for them to park and rest. Crappy food. Rude and ignorant drivers. And to think the people in the huge cities want to limit trucks in their purified areas. I well remember our 2007 ice storm when trucks couldn’t get here, the shelves were empty in two days! If the truckers ever decide not to roll this country will be stopped dead in just a few days.
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:24:57 PM PDT
by
pepperdog
(The world has gone crazy.)
To: zaphod3000
A giant DUH moment for the FBI. The same organization that was dumbfounded that someone would fly airplanes into buildings. What a bunch of putzes. WHAT BETTER COVER FOR AN SK?
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:27:31 PM PDT
by
mad_as_he$$
(Nemo me impune lacessit)
To: antiunion person
You know, there was a time when most truckers were pros and I thought a lot of them. But these days, so many drivers drive like they don’t have a clue there is anyone else on the road. I’m sorry, but if what I see on the road these days is the norm for how truckers drive I suspect they are responsible for a large number of accidents. Please note I did not say all of them, but there are quite a few who are either too tired to be driving or are simply too aggressive or inexperienced or whatever.
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posted on
04/05/2009 7:41:11 PM PDT
by
brytlea
(Jesus loves me, this I know.)
To: zaphod3000
Gee, I thought it was bad they were tossing out “trucker bombs.”
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:01:10 PM PDT
by
Trod Upon
(Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
To: Cicero
It might be a little more revealing if only truckers were allowed to use the interstates. As it stands, it mostly proves that bodies get dumped along the roads that are most used by motorists of all sorts.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:31:51 PM PDT
by
ArmstedFragg
("the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs" - Jefferson)
To: zaphod3000
Now that is interesting. There are no dots that I can see in West Virginia. Millions of trucks travel the West Virginia Turnpike.....millions of places there to put a body.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:33:39 PM PDT
by
Morgana
("OBAMA" acronym One Big Ass Mistake, America)
To: zaphod3000
Terrible story.
Excellent post.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:36:05 PM PDT
by
aculeus
To: ArmstedFragg
Yes. The article is a paean to the FBI. But if you read it closely, they have hardly caught any perps, and those seem to have been caught more or less by accident rather than by using the database.
Moreover, bodies found by the Interstate weren’t necessarily dropped there by truckers, as you say. Wouldn’t mobsters also find it convenient if they wanted to dump bodies in other jurisdictions, for instance? Or car drivers? or hitchhikers?
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:40:16 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: zaphod3000
The article is a pretty good read and it is a very interesting story.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:43:12 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
To: Morgana
millions of places there to put a body You answered your own question.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:53:22 PM PDT
by
xero
To: conservativeharleyguy
"Suspect Zero", is an excellent example. Aaron Eckhart and Ben Kingsley put on great performances in this psychic thriller (although, maybe I'm partial 'cause it was filmed in NM).I'm going to have to rent Suspect Zero soon. A cousin of mine has a small role in that film.
Breakdown was also a good drive-in style flick on this subject. Kurt Russell was good. J.T. Walsh and M.C. Gainey were two of the most evil SOB's that you will ever see in that film.
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posted on
04/05/2009 8:57:29 PM PDT
by
Ghengis
To: Clint Williams
Keep your Daughters out of Truck Stops.
.05 /sarc
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posted on
04/05/2009 9:01:21 PM PDT
by
papasmurf
(Trow da' bum out!)
To: Ouderkirk
Let me see if I have this straight: Tens of thousands of men on the road alone with thousands of hours each of time un-accounted for.
Therein lies the rub. It's the main reason that their so called theory is a failed attempt to explain why they are not able to protect people, and to put truckers under even more scrutiny.
Truckers are among the most accounted for people in the Country.
First, you have log books, which are verified by Bills of lading, Fuel receipts, food receipts & company phone logs to/from dispatchers, brokers, shippers & receivers.
Then you have weigh stations (and nearly every one has cameras that record when they are closed), then you have regular traffic cameras along every Interstate and many Highways.
Now add in cell phone records, credit card receipts, and Truck Stop surveillance.
Let's not forget the infamous Qualcomm & Highway Master Satellites that about 70% of trucks are equipped with, and GPS if the driver has a laptop.
Unaccounted for? Hardly.
What a shame that our Nations preeminent crime investigation agency would have to stoop to such tactics.
BTW, a LEO doesn't even need a warrant to access any of this info.
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posted on
04/05/2009 9:19:10 PM PDT
by
papasmurf
(Trow da' bum out!)
To: lilylangtree
“Yeow! Looks like the theory works. All the red dots on major interstates would make the existence of trucker serial killer(s) a distinct possibility.”
It could be used to make State Troopers, traveling salespersons, families on vacation, etc., look guilty, as well.
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posted on
04/05/2009 9:21:06 PM PDT
by
papasmurf
(Trow da' bum out!)
To: zaphod3000
Have Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton or Barney Frank been driving past any of those red dots?
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posted on
04/05/2009 9:41:02 PM PDT
by
MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
(Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
To: Parley Baer
yeah, but truckers are the safest drivers on the road!
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posted on
04/06/2009 2:05:41 AM PDT
by
cherry
To: zaphod3000
Isn’t this a form of “Profiling”.
Remember, an extremely high percentage of truck drivers are white.
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posted on
04/06/2009 3:13:42 AM PDT
by
Paige
("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
To: Candor7
South East Florida here.
Just north of Fort Pierce, Florida there is a rest area on I-95 that has been shut down upon occasion.
Seems a group of prostitutes have put an R.V. they have used to make money.
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posted on
04/06/2009 3:30:36 AM PDT
by
Joe Boucher
(An enemy of Islam)
To: bpjam
long haul trucker - serial killer.I wonder how someone is supposed to enter that in their DOT logbook?
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posted on
04/06/2009 3:36:08 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: mad_as_he$$
WHAT BETTER COVER FOR AN SK? Travelling salesman?
Presidential candidate?
Community organizer?
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posted on
04/06/2009 3:38:37 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: Morgana
...millions of places there to put a body.sssssssshhhhhhh! We like our secrets!
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posted on
04/06/2009 3:58:24 AM PDT
by
WVKayaker
( Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke)
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